you are correct. i wrongfully presumed otherwise when howard questioned your terminology (and the fact that it was actually full house vs kkjj)
you are correct. i wrongfully presumed otherwise when howard questioned your terminology (and the fact that it was actually full house vs kkjj)
Biggest single hand I won in Vegas 2 weeks ago was a 63o. Ended up getting about $300 off that in the small blind. No one raised, and I limped in and flopped a straight (2-6). Betting took off from there and I ended up quadrupling up.
Originally posted by: mpitts
Nice suckout, Party-Poker style.
BTW, he dug his own grave by just min-raising you with KK.
With a pot of 7200 and his bet of about 8000, you were definitely correct in calling his all-in on the flop with two pair and an overcard.
The smart play for him would have been to just shove it all in preflop, but people are stupid with good hands like KK. They want to keep people in the hand. He did that and paid the price, literally.
no.
how is he correct in calling with 2 :1 odds on a 5 outer?
given stack sizes, his opponent played perfectly fine. you are being results oriented and recommending a lower variance and lower EV line.
I suppose you shove it all in with AA/KK preflop everytime.
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I admit, last night was 99% luck, as at the end of the night I was playing like most of my friends play, hence the Crazy Azn nickname. I shouldn't have even been in that hand, but hell, I was pot committed. I had him on over cards preflop, but as soon as he said all in and I was thinking, I knew he his hand beat my pair of dueces. I just lucked out. And I'll take it!
I was in a tournament the night before at a friend's place. There were 6 of us left and the payout was 4th place. I was low stack, with about 200 chips while everybody had at least 1500. In two hands, I went from low stack to 4th place because these crazy asian guys kept betting with their Ace and crappy card hoping an ace will show up. One guy eventually took out two guys with his A2 offsuit and I was grinning. Chaching!!!
I was in a tournament the night before at a friend's place. There were 6 of us left and the payout was 4th place. I was low stack, with about 200 chips while everybody had at least 1500. In two hands, I went from low stack to 4th place because these crazy asian guys kept betting with their Ace and crappy card hoping an ace will show up. One guy eventually took out two guys with his A2 offsuit and I was grinning. Chaching!!!
Originally posted by: amoeba
Originally posted by: mpitts
Nice suckout, Party-Poker style.
BTW, he dug his own grave by just min-raising you with KK.
With a pot of 7200 and his bet of about 8000, you were definitely correct in calling his all-in on the flop with two pair and an overcard.
The smart play for him would have been to just shove it all in preflop, but people are stupid with good hands like KK. They want to keep people in the hand. He did that and paid the price, literally.
no.
how is he correct in calling with 2 :1 odds on a 5 outer?
given stack sizes, his opponent played perfectly fine. you are being results oriented and recommending a lower variance and lower EV line.
I suppose you shove it all in with AA/KK preflop everytime.
My fault. I was thinking he had 8000, which would have put him right around 10BB's. I am trying my best to stay away from results-oriented thinking here.
With ~11000, I probably would have re-raised to 4500 or 5000 and be prepared to jam any Ace-free flop.
I'd be interested in what the original poster's stack size was when the hand started.
And I am certainly not someone who shoves all-in with AA/KK preflop, but if someone raises me preflop and I am holding one of those two hands, you can be sure that I am going to make a real re-raise and not let a marginal hand catch up with me on the flop.
They are going to have to pay more than 1500 into a 5700 pot to see the flop.
Of course, all of this is dependent on my stack size and any reads I might have on that player.
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Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: amoeba
Originally posted by: mpitts
Nice suckout, Party-Poker style.
BTW, he dug his own grave by just min-raising you with KK.
With a pot of 7200 and his bet of about 8000, you were definitely correct in calling his all-in on the flop with two pair and an overcard.
The smart play for him would have been to just shove it all in preflop, but people are stupid with good hands like KK. They want to keep people in the hand. He did that and paid the price, literally.
no.
how is he correct in calling with 2 :1 odds on a 5 outer?
given stack sizes, his opponent played perfectly fine. you are being results oriented and recommending a lower variance and lower EV line.
I suppose you shove it all in with AA/KK preflop everytime.
My fault. I was thinking he had 8000, which would have put him right around 10BB's. I am trying my best to stay away from results-oriented thinking here.
With ~11000, I probably would have re-raised to 4500 or 5000 and be prepared to jam any Ace-free flop.
I'd be interested in what the original poster's stack size was when the hand started.
And I am certainly not someone who shoves all-in with AA/KK preflop, but if someone raises me preflop and I am holding one of those two hands, you can be sure that I am going to make a real re-raise and not let a marginal hand catch up with me on the flop.
They are going to have to pay more than 1500 into a 5700 pot to see the flop.
Of course, all of this is dependent on my stack size and any reads I might have on that player.
He had quite a bit also, about half of my chips (I had about 20,000). I know how he plays though. He was last to call a hand that had me and another guy go all in with a couple of reraises in there with 44. I had 88, other guy had 66. I was winning until the dreadful river, which was a 4. He took both of us out. So he's pretty crazy at times.
Revenge.. oh so sweet.
You lucky sob. I don't know what to think. On one hand, bad beat stories are kind of annoying, but you are on the other end of the sh!t stick. You were so lucky it's kinda awesome, but I sympathize with your friend too.
Originally posted by: weirdichi
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: amoeba
Originally posted by: mpitts
Nice suckout, Party-Poker style.
BTW, he dug his own grave by just min-raising you with KK.
With a pot of 7200 and his bet of about 8000, you were definitely correct in calling his all-in on the flop with two pair and an overcard.
The smart play for him would have been to just shove it all in preflop, but people are stupid with good hands like KK. They want to keep people in the hand. He did that and paid the price, literally.
no.
how is he correct in calling with 2 :1 odds on a 5 outer?
given stack sizes, his opponent played perfectly fine. you are being results oriented and recommending a lower variance and lower EV line.
I suppose you shove it all in with AA/KK preflop everytime.
My fault. I was thinking he had 8000, which would have put him right around 10BB's. I am trying my best to stay away from results-oriented thinking here.
With ~11000, I probably would have re-raised to 4500 or 5000 and be prepared to jam any Ace-free flop.
I'd be interested in what the original poster's stack size was when the hand started.
And I am certainly not someone who shoves all-in with AA/KK preflop, but if someone raises me preflop and I am holding one of those two hands, you can be sure that I am going to make a real re-raise and not let a marginal hand catch up with me on the flop.
They are going to have to pay more than 1500 into a 5700 pot to see the flop.
Of course, all of this is dependent on my stack size and any reads I might have on that player.
He had quite a bit also, about half of my chips (I had about 20,000). I know how he plays though. He was last to call a hand that had me and another guy go all in with a couple of reraises in there with 44. I had 88, other guy had 66. I was winning until the dreadful river, which was a 4. He took both of us out. So he's pretty crazy at times.
Revenge.. oh so sweet.
yes he started with 11K and he put 1/4 his stack in preflop. even if you knew he was going to lose his whole stack to you every time that you outflop him, you don't out flop him often enough with A2 to make calling his preflop reraise worth it. In otherwords, you do not have the implied odds to make that call preflop.
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Originally posted by: amoeba
Originally posted by: weirdichi
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: amoeba
Originally posted by: mpitts
Nice suckout, Party-Poker style.
BTW, he dug his own grave by just min-raising you with KK.
With a pot of 7200 and his bet of about 8000, you were definitely correct in calling his all-in on the flop with two pair and an overcard.
The smart play for him would have been to just shove it all in preflop, but people are stupid with good hands like KK. They want to keep people in the hand. He did that and paid the price, literally.
no.
how is he correct in calling with 2 :1 odds on a 5 outer?
given stack sizes, his opponent played perfectly fine. you are being results oriented and recommending a lower variance and lower EV line.
I suppose you shove it all in with AA/KK preflop everytime.
My fault. I was thinking he had 8000, which would have put him right around 10BB's. I am trying my best to stay away from results-oriented thinking here.
With ~11000, I probably would have re-raised to 4500 or 5000 and be prepared to jam any Ace-free flop.
I'd be interested in what the original poster's stack size was when the hand started.
And I am certainly not someone who shoves all-in with AA/KK preflop, but if someone raises me preflop and I am holding one of those two hands, you can be sure that I am going to make a real re-raise and not let a marginal hand catch up with me on the flop.
They are going to have to pay more than 1500 into a 5700 pot to see the flop.
Of course, all of this is dependent on my stack size and any reads I might have on that player.
He had quite a bit also, about half of my chips (I had about 20,000). I know how he plays though. He was last to call a hand that had me and another guy go all in with a couple of reraises in there with 44. I had 88, other guy had 66. I was winning until the dreadful river, which was a 4. He took both of us out. So he's pretty crazy at times.
Revenge.. oh so sweet.
yes he started with 11K and he put 1/4 his stack in preflop. even if you knew he was going to lose his whole stack to you every time that you outflop him, you don't out flop him often enough with A2 to make calling his preflop reraise worth it. In otherwords, you do not have the implied odds to make that call preflop.
I don't do this often. I was just trying to have fun that night.
Worst beat ever:
Me: A3
Person A: JJ
Person B: A7
Me: Preflop all in shortstack
Person A: Fast call
Person B: Fast call
Flop: JTJ
Person A: Immediate all in
Perosn B: Thinks then calls
*flips cards*
Me: *in chat* OMFGWTFBBQ
Turn: T
River: T
4 of a kind tens with Ace KICKER.. ROFLlllllllllll
Me: A3
Person A: JJ
Person B: A7
Me: Preflop all in shortstack
Person A: Fast call
Person B: Fast call
Flop: JTJ
Person A: Immediate all in
Perosn B: Thinks then calls
*flips cards*
Me: *in chat* OMFGWTFBBQ
Turn: T
River: T
4 of a kind tens with Ace KICKER.. ROFLlllllllllll
how did you get 4 10s?? next time you're making up a poker story, at least double check your cards.
Originally posted by: weirdichi
That was basically me tonight. Called all sorts of stupid hands. I had fun!
Me: A2 off (button)
Him: KK
Blinds were 400/800. I raised to 1500. He raises to 3000. I call.
Flop: JJ2
Him: All in! (said it before flop was even dealt, about 8k in chips)
Me: *ponders for a bit.. calls* "You have high pockets."
Him: *flips over KK*
Me: Waits till river.
Turn: 2
River: 3
Me: *turns over card and laughs*
Him: "Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!" *is in disbelief*
Me: $50 richer tonight.
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I admit, last night was 99% luck, as at the end of the night I was playing like most of my friends play, hence the Crazy Azn nickname. I shouldn't have even been in that hand, but hell, I was pot committed. I had him on over cards preflop, but as soon as he said all in and I was thinking, I knew he his hand beat my pair of dueces. I just lucked out. And I'll take it!
I was in a tournament the night before at a friend's place. There were 6 of us left and the payout was 4th place. I was low stack, with about 200 chips while everybody had at least 1500. In two hands, I went from low stack to 4th place because these crazy asian guys kept betting with their Ace and crappy card hoping an ace will show up. One guy eventually took out two guys with his A2 offsuit and I was grinning. Chaching!!!
You wouldnt last a seccond in my games.
50 bucks? HA!
Each person at my game has a min 40 buy in. And we dont play anything but chip value. Tool, go watch the world series, I'm going to the casino.
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Originally posted by: Last Rezort
Originally posted by: weirdichi
That was basically me tonight. Called all sorts of stupid hands. I had fun!
Me: A2 off (button)
Him: KK
Blinds were 400/800. I raised to 1500. He raises to 3000. I call.
Flop: JJ2
Him: All in! (said it before flop was even dealt, about 8k in chips)
Me: *ponders for a bit.. calls* "You have high pockets."
Him: *flips over KK*
Me: Waits till river.
Turn: 2
River: 3
Me: *turns over card and laughs*
Him: "Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!" *is in disbelief*
Me: $50 richer tonight.
---
I admit, last night was 99% luck, as at the end of the night I was playing like most of my friends play, hence the Crazy Azn nickname. I shouldn't have even been in that hand, but hell, I was pot committed. I had him on over cards preflop, but as soon as he said all in and I was thinking, I knew he his hand beat my pair of dueces. I just lucked out. And I'll take it!
I was in a tournament the night before at a friend's place. There were 6 of us left and the payout was 4th place. I was low stack, with about 200 chips while everybody had at least 1500. In two hands, I went from low stack to 4th place because these crazy asian guys kept betting with their Ace and crappy card hoping an ace will show up. One guy eventually took out two guys with his A2 offsuit and I was grinning. Chaching!!!
You wouldnt last a seccond in my games.
50 bucks? HA!
Each person at my game has a min 40 buy in. And we dont play anything but chip value. Tool, go watch the world series, I'm going to the casino.
So how am I a tool? Didn't I just mention that I don't play this way often? So I surveyed the players and go to thinking that with my 200 in chips I could outlast them because I knew they were playing wrecklessly.
And from one hand, you can come to the conclusion that I'm a tool because I felt crazy that night and decided to call all-in flop JJ2 with my A2 when I put him on overcards? I'm pretty sure that I would last a long while in your games. I don't chase cards with new people at the table.
Until you've played poker with me, don't blatantly call me names. Is ATOT so rampant with "I'm High and Mighty" kids today that I can't come in and share a story and everybody laugh and have a beer? Sheesh!
Where's the bad beat? The best hand (JJ) was ahead the whole time, and won the pot. A true bad beat is flopping top set, and having another player hit runner-runner to make quads (happened at a table I was playing at).
somebody on this board posted this awhile ago. I'll only post the relevant cards since I don't remember the irrelevant ones (denoted as *, which don't help either of them):
Person A: QQ, pre-flop raise
Person B: JJ, re-raise
Person A: Call
Flop: Q * * (*s are under cards to both pocket pairs here)
Person A: All-in
Person B: Call
Turn: J
River J
That is a brutal beat. I checked the odds on pocketfives.com, IIRC after the flop Person A had 99.5% probability of winning the hand.
edit: btw, I hate people that gloat about winning bad beats. When you win a hand on a bad beat, you take the chips and STFU about it. BTW, winning a bad beat on a terrible read is a great way to get yourself marked at a table.
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