Cracker Country

[Isla]

Some of you have expressed disapproval with the term "Cracker" in the past and I have tried to explain that in Florida, Cracker isn't a bad word at all. It is synonymous with 'settler'. White settler, true, but not a bad word by any means. Of course, all the crackers 'round here usually look for latina chicks (the ones whose grandparents rolled the cigars the Crackers smoked, heh!) and that's how you get lots of Cracker Spics running around, but hey.

Anyway, for those who don't get that Cracker is a term we take pride in...

Cracker Country

And yes, I had the honor of being in the VERY FIRST Cracker Country ever. Me and my olive skin, dressed like something out of Little House on the Prairie. My school was one of the first to participate.

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Update:

Since this has become a religion discussion, I want to share this link:

Because Not Every Religious Person is a Bigot...

 

[Perknose]

Hi Isla! Don't be a stranger, post more often, you're a sane, centered breath of fresh air always. :wine:

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Perknose
Hi Isla! Don't be a stranger, post more often, you're a sane, centered breath of fresh air always. :wine:

Well, Nazi is an appropriate term to call George Bush in these forums too.. Basically, if its insulting to white christians.. its allowed.

 

[CrazyCoolDealz]

Wow. All this time I thought the dude was insulting me the other day when he called me Cracker at 4th and Glenn Street and tried to rob me.

Ill tell him thank you when we get to court in a month or two.

:>

 

[Riprorin]

I have a high enough self-esteem that being called a racist name like a "cracker" doesn't bother me. It's the double standard that I don't like.

 

[Beowulf]

I might have to check that out whenever I go to the gulf coast of course I'd be decked out in my guayabera and cigar don't dig the settler look since I'm Cuban.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I have a high enough self-esteem that being called a racist name like a "cracker" doesn't bother me. It's the double standard that I don't like.

exactly.

 

[Isla]

I guess it all depends on your experience, doesn't it, guys?

One gets robbed and gets called a cracker, so it becomes a bad thing. But for me and my cohorts, it's something we take pride in. I never considered it anything other than a historical term.

And Beowolf, I'm half Cuban, half Spanish. LOL, don't even get me started on the racism that goes on between the Hispanics! It's amazing what people will think to feel like they are the 'better' race.

My point is that it's all really what you make of it.

 

[Riprorin]

Of course you're aware that "cracker" is also a derogatory term for poor whites.

 

[Isla]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Of course you're aware that "cracker" is also a derogatory term for poor whites.

To me Cracker means those who are or who are the decendants of Florida cattle ranchers. The "cracker" is from the cracking of the whips used to herd the cattle.

Dick is a respectable enough name, too, isn't it?

<---not sure if you get my point... it's all in how you respond and whether or not you allow anger and hatred to be your guide...

 

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by: Isla
I guess it all depends on your experience, doesn't it, guys?

One gets robbed and gets called a cracker, so it becomes a bad thing. But for me and my cohorts, it's something we take pride in. I never considered it anything other than a historical term.

And Beowolf, I'm half Cuban, half Spanish. LOL, don't even get me started on the racism that goes on between the Hispanics! It's amazing what people will think to feel like they are the 'better' race.

My point is that it's all really what you make of it.

LOL I know about the racism between Hispanics but I think that's something cultural of every country.Personally I know a bunch of Puerto Ricans,Nicaraguans,Venezuelans and so on since Miami is a fairly mixed city but Cuban's still hold the majority.I always heard from tons of friends from different latin countries that they envy Cubans because they all seem to join for the same cause(Castro) and work together.Of course that might explain why Cuban's have political power but I don't know I'm not one to brag about being better than anyone.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Of course you're aware that "cracker" is also a derogatory term for poor whites.

To me Cracker means those who are or who are the decendants of Florida cattle ranchers. The "cracker" is from the cracking of the whips used to herd the cattle.

Dick is a respectable enough name, too, isn't it?

<---not sure if you get my point... it's all in how you respond and whether or not you allow anger and hatred to be your guide...

It all depends. Context is everything in this case, at least in our now politically correct world. N*gger (or awesome dude, if your want to split hairs) is not necessarily a derogatory term either, depending on the situation and who is saying it. Neither is Dick, so long as that is actually the guy's name and it's not said with a certain inflection, even if the person's name is Richard.

Personally, I don't care. I've been called cracker before too one more than one occasion. Some people have apparently thought my name is Richard as well. In high school, one of my best friends was black and used to call me "my n*gger," and that was 30 years ago. It was a term of endearment then.

The problem is oversensitivity. People just need to get over themselves and not give a crap. When nobody cares anymore, the words become meaningless.

P.S.: And see how sensitive we are? We can't even post the words spelled correctly in this very forum because of the overly sensitive types. It's ridiculous.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Of course you're aware that "cracker" is also a derogatory term for poor whites.

I always thought it was a derogatory term for a white racist.

 

[Isla]

The problem is oversensitivity. People just need to get over themselves and not give a crap. When nobody cares anymore, the words become meaningless.

Precisely!

I'll never forget being a 10 year old Girl Scout and being asked by a fellow troop member if I was a Christian.

"Yes I am", I replied. "I'm Catholic."

Well, the other little girl began insisting that being a Catholic did not mean I was a Christian. At the time, I had no idea what she was talking about... I assumed Catholic and Christian were pretty much synonymous. But some people model for their children that they think Catholic is 'bad', therefore sowing the seeds of hatred and prejudice. And really hatred and prejudice are the bad things.

Same goes for relations between the races... it's what we show our children that we believe. It has nothing to do with words and everything to do with attitudes.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Of course you're aware that "cracker" is also a derogatory term for poor whites.

I always thought it was a derogatory term for a white racist.

According to Webster's, one meaning is a "poor white - usually used disparagingly."

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Of course you're aware that "cracker" is also a derogatory term for poor whites.

I always thought it was a derogatory term for a white racist.

According to Webster's, one meaning is a "poor white - usually used disparagingly."

Republicans usually just call them Democrats.

 

[imported_Condor]

Or it can mean:

cracker: n.
One who breaks security on a system. Coined ca. 1985 by hackers in defense against journalistic misuse of hacker (q.v., sense 8). An earlier attempt to establish worm in this sense around 1981--82 on Usenet was largely a failure.

Use of both these neologisms reflects a strong revulsion against the theft and vandalism perpetrated by cracking rings. The neologism ?cracker? in this sense may have been influenced not so much by the term ?safe-cracker? as by the non-jargon term ?cracker?, which in Middle English meant an obnoxious person (e.g., ?What cracker is this same that deafs our ears / With this abundance of superfluous breath?? ? Shakespeare's King John, Act II, Scene I) and in modern colloquial American English survives as a barely gentler synonym for ?white trash?.

While it is expected that any real hacker will have done some playful cracking and knows many of the basic techniques, anyone past larval stage is expected to have outgrown the desire to do so except for immediate, benign, practical reasons (for example, if it's necessary to get around some security in order to get some work done).

Thus, there is far less overlap between hackerdom and crackerdom than the mundane reader misled by sensationalistic journalism might expect. Crackers tend to gather in small, tight-knit, very secretive groups that have little overlap with the huge, open poly-culture this lexicon describes; though crackers often like to describe themselves as hackers, most true hackers consider them a separate and lower form of life. An easy way for outsiders to spot the difference is that crackers use grandiose screen names that conceal their identities. Hackers never do this; they only rarely use noms de guerre at all, and when they do it is for display rather than concealment.

Ethical considerations aside, hackers figure that anyone who can't imagine a more interesting way to play with their computers than breaking into someone else's has to be pretty losing. Some other reasons crackers are looked down on are discussed in the entries on cracking and phreaking. See also samurai, dark-side hacker, and hacker ethic. For a portrait of the typical teenage cracker, see warez d00dz.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Of course you're aware that "cracker" is also a derogatory term for poor whites.

I always thought it was a derogatory term for a white racist.

According to Webster's, one meaning is a "poor white - usually used disparagingly."

Republicans usually just call them Democrats.

May as well use the whole definition:

cracker

n 1: a thin crisp wafer made or flour and water with or without leavening and shortening; unsweetened or semisweet 2: a poor white person in the southern United States [syn: redneck] 3: a programmer who `cracks' (gains unauthorized access to) computers, typically to do malicious things; "crackers are often mistakenly called hackers" 4: firework consisting of a small explosive charge and fuse in a heavy paper casing [syn: firecracker, banger] 5: a party favor consisting of a paper roll (usually containing candy or a small favor) that pops when pulled at both ends [syn: snapper, cracker bonbon]

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Isla

The problem is oversensitivity. People just need to get over themselves and not give a crap. When nobody cares anymore, the words become meaningless.

Precisely!

I'll never forget being a 10 year old Girl Scout and being asked by a fellow troop member if I was a Christian.

"Yes I am", I replied. "I'm Catholic."

Well, the other little girl began insisting that being a Catholic did not mean I was a Christian. At the time, I had no idea what she was talking about... I assumed Catholic and Christian were pretty much synonymous. But some people model for their children that they think Catholic is 'bad', therefore sowing the seeds of hatred and prejudice. And really hatred and prejudice are the bad things.

Same goes for relations between the races... it's what we show our children that we believe. It has nothing to do with words and everything to do with attitudes.

Roman Catholicism is a denomination. The little girl asked you if you were a Christian, not what denomination you belonged to. Being a Catholic does not mean that you are a Christian, in the biblical sense.

The confusion arose because you were ignorant about the difference between the Christian faith and Christian denominations.

I fail to see any prejudice or hatred in the exchange as you've described it.

You obviously have a disdain for white, Evangelical Christians. Maybe you need to examine your own heart before you accuse others of hatred and prejudice.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

You obviously have a disdain for white, Evangelical Christians.

She has a good reason too as her experiences with them have been very negative.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

You obviously have a disdain for white, Evangelical Christians.

She has a good reason too as her experiences with them have been very negative.

I bet people that harbor hatred against blacks, Arabs, Hispanics, Irish, Italians, Jews, etc., etc. all feel the same way.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

You obviously have a disdain for white, Evangelical Christians.

She has a good reason too as her experiences with them have been very negative.

I bet people that harbor hatered against blacks, Arabs, Hispanics, Irish, Italians, Jews, etc., etc. all feel the same way.

That is true. The difference is that those are races/nationalities where as the Evangelicals are a belief no different than Liberals, Facists or Communists.

 

[Isla]

Riprorin, you know as well as I do that if I had said,

"Yes, I am... I'm Baptist" or Lutheran, or Methodist, or any other Protestant demonimation, the girl would have accepted me. It wasn't my ignorance... I KNEW that I was telling her my denomination. It was like saying, yes I am an American... I'm from Florida. (I didn't yet realize it was a social mistake, like blacklisting myself!)

It is unbecoming for you to pretend that you don't know about the predjudices between Protestants and Catholics! Stop trying to lead this thread AWAY from what it is really about.... TOLERANCE. You only show that you are a leader in sowing hatred by trying to make your 'arguments'.

 

[Riprorin]

Having a "bad experience" with some members of a group are grounds to hate the whole group?


That smacks of ignorance to me.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Having a "bad experience" with some members of a group are grounds to hate the whole group?


That smacks of ignorance to me.

Yet when we run across those like Isla's In-laws and even my Fundie Priestess Sister we can't help but notice how prevalent ignorance, prejudice, closed mindedness and intolerance is among those who have been indoctrinated by this denomination of Christianity.


That said it really is unfortunate that people feel this way about each other but usually it's just a reactions from actions. It's no different than how you and your ilk feel about Liberals.