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cpu future platforms, last of FX series chips til 2015

daRkKon

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so i looked ahead at amds yearly platform and i guess the 9370 is the last high end FX chip that will be releasd until 2015?

kaveri is next in jan. 14 2014, do you think this will have a price drop on the FX chips?

i have been out of the computer world for about 4 years now, my last system is in my sig.

basically my question is, should i wait another 6 months to get a new pc, or should i just do it now?

and is AMD behind in the times or is intel now a days?
 
Is your motherboard AM3+? An FX CPU would make sense if you already have the motherboard for your current PhII set up. But if you're buying a completely new system, it is probably not a smart move getting into AM3+ right now.
 
I was in your shoes as well. Hadn't upgraded my main box since 2008 but the Z87/4670k combo is killer. Quite a step up from an OC'd Q6600 which is probably only a little bit faster than your Phenom. DDR3 is oh so much cheaper and faster than DDR2 as well (for my Q6600, but your DDR3 might work although I'd recommend 8GB minimum). I found bundle deals I couldn't resist.
 
would you all say going from 4gb to 8gb even if still keeping my current cpu is quite an upgrade for games like battlefield 4? i have a feeling all 4 gigs are currently already being used up by the game. i have it on medium settings at 1080p
 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128392

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103674

i know, i know, my motherboard sucks, i wish it was SLI/crossfire cuz i would just grab another 6850 and 8gb of ram and be set... :\ and at this point if i was going to switch mobos, i might as well get an fm2, which of course wouldnt work with my cpu.... but im trying to do the cheapest upgrade at what makes sense, i would like to run bf4 at smoother higher settings than medium..

should i just try and find a ebay motherboard with crossfire and another 6850 and call it a day? and of course the 8gb

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-4-graphics-card-performance,3634-10.html
 
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It's a real shame that the x6 Phenom CPU's are so pricey on the used market. A 1055t or better and more memory would be a great upgrade. Then again, maybe it is time to put my Thuban for sale. 😀

My advice would be to buy some memory now, since you'll need that either way (whether you go FM2, 1155, AM3+, etc you'll want more than 4GB of memory). Buy that, install it, bump your CPU multiplier a little and see where that gets you. If that doesn't perform, then you'll want to look at a platform upgrade.
 
OK, for BF4 wait for the Mantle patch (December) to see if the quad core will benefit from it. If it will, then just OC the Phenom and get a new GCN graphics card.

ps. Dont take in to consideration the older BF4 reviews. There have been released a few patches already since the release of the game and Mantle patch will also change the performance.
 
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my last question is this, i found gskill sniper series ram for 52 dollars shipped ddr3 1600 4gbx2 sticks

8gb total for 52 bucks ..... should i just throw my old ram away ? lol.. it sounds dumb but

i literally have gskill ripjaw series 2x2gb, if i got another it would slow my cpu down because it wouldnt be in dual channel anymore right?

so instead of spending 52 bucks on another ripjaw series, i figured just buy the sniper series on sale and still have dual channel? 4gb for free for the same price is always good

and loading takes forever, should i grab a SSD will i see performance increases in game for faster loading? or should i just buy more ram and let that take care of all the loading?
 
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i know, i know, my motherboard sucks, i wish it was SLI/crossfire cuz i would just grab another 6850 and 8gb of ram and be set... :\

Hah, that's nothing, you should see the piece of crap motherboard in my machine. At least you have four RAM slots...
 
my last question is this, i found gskill sniper series ram for 52 dollars shipped ddr3 1600 4gbx2 sticks

8gb total for 52 bucks ..... should i just throw my old ram away ? lol.. it sounds dumb but

i literally have gskill ripjaw series 2x2gb, if i got another it would slow my cpu down because it wouldnt be in dual channel anymore right?

so instead of spending 52 bucks on another ripjaw series, i figured just buy the sniper series on sale and still have dual channel? 4gb for free for the same price is always good

and loading takes forever, should i grab a SSD will i see performance increases in game for faster loading? or should i just buy more ram and let that take care of all the loading?


You should be able to run all four in dual channel. I've even mixed a 4GB + a 2GB and it ran in dual channel.

And yea, an SSD is a noticeable improvement. To me an SSD is kind of like a monitor upgrade. It may not help your benchmarks (at least the non-storage based benches) really at all or give you more FPS, but your overall experience with the computer is just plain better.
 
I just ordered an FX-6300 for my AM3+ board (970). Even though its a 4+1 phase (heatsinked) I should be able to get a decent OC out of it with the Thermalright True Spirit 140 I already have. I can't get my PII X4 beyond 3.9 Ghz so the extra two cores plus 500Mhz or so greater OC capability should tide me over for another year or so (and it only cost me $100). I'm pretty darn sure I'll go Intel when the time comes, but for now I can keep saving money towards that build.
 
I just ordered an FX-6300 for my AM3+ board (970). Even though its a 4+1 phase (heatsinked) I should be able to get a decent OC out of it with the Thermalright True Spirit 140 I already have. I can't get my PII X4 beyond 3.9 Ghz so the extra two cores plus 500Mhz or so greater OC capability should tide me over for another year or so (and it only cost me $100). I'm pretty darn sure I'll go Intel when the time comes, but for now I can keep saving money towards that build.

What motherboard do you have ?? I'll be very interested to learn how far you could OC that FX6300 on a 4+1 VRM mobo.
 
I think I get AMD's plan. Steer Intel to the grave and once the high margin business for Intel dries up, they won't be able to maintain the fab advantage they buy by outspending everyone.

1. Phase one - sell more APU (same as what Intel is now doing) majority of home users don't need anything stronger than an AMD A8 for home computing needs or even a celeron. Besides the hardcore gamers and a few other minor market, who else needs an i7? When it comes to casual gaming, AMD even have an advantage here. If you were shopping for a laptop for your mom or girlfriend, which one would you get?
The $600 AMD A10 or the $1200 Intel? Keep in mind if they can tend to farms on facebook and watch youtube on their little andriod tablets, anything in a desktop is probably overkill. With more and more pc/laptop being sold using APUs, days of the high margin high end cpus is long gone.

2. Phase 2 is Intel giving itself enough rope to hang. By committing so much of their cash to Atom, they're really going all out for a low margin business that they are already late to. I don't know how much Intel stands to make but if they're also offering vendors rebate for using the Atom so it has to further eat into their margin. Intel is hoping by spending money and dumping Atoms into the market, they'll gain acceptance, but it might be years before it bears any result. In the mean time, they're hoping that they may or may not catch up to Qualcomm.


If Intel's pushing into the mobile market does not result in some big big return in 2-3 years, they will be under some heavy pressure to start cutting r/d cost for their fabs allowing competitors to catch up. I think that is the time AMD will re-enter the big cpu business and strike.
 
Intel's quarterly R&D is greater than all of AMD's market cap and growing
http://ycharts.com/companies/INTC/r_and_d_expense

Two possibility. The push to 14nm and below is getting exponentially more expensive or Intel is now diverting resource all over the place. Probably a little bit of both. Intel made 11 billion in 2012 and spend about 10 billion on R&D. Takes alot of green to keep the mean blue machine far ahead of the competition. But at this rate if Intel does not strike gold, I wonder if they can continue to spend their way past their competition
 
What motherboard do you have ?? I'll be very interested to learn how far you could OC that FX6300 on a 4+1 VRM mobo.

This Biostar TA970:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138372

Went cheap last summer in order to use an old ASUS 790FX board in another build. The TA970 is in a Lian Li case with an upside-down motherboard arrangement so it has a 120mm intake fan from the back side blowing right on the VRM heatsink. Hopefully between that and the True Spirit 140 on the CPU I can get something decent as far as an OC goes.
 
But at this rate if Intel does not strike gold, I wonder if they can continue to spend their way past their competition

It is possible that Intel is in the same position as Motor City in the 70s, building bigger and badder muscle cars as the rest of the world is moving towards subcompacts (ARM).

Time will tell, but as an enthusiast I am worried about the sales figures I see on desktops...
 
It is possible that Intel is in the same position as Motor City in the 70s, building bigger and badder muscle cars as the rest of the world is moving towards subcompacts (ARM).

Time will tell, but as an enthusiast I am worried about the sales figures I see on desktops...


Intel for the past 2 decades has live by one motto, "make faster x86 cpus" Eventually you can only improve/tweak something you invented 35 years ago before you hit a point of diminishing return. I thought it might take a bit longer before Intel can no longer throw money at the problem and brute force beat everyone with the best x86 cpu money can fab, but I really think it's going to be the next couple of years.

Intel was not the first to 64bit, not the first to hit 1ghz(Despite their fab advantage), and not the first to make a dual core. If anything, Intel has a proven track record of marching in a straight line(although they certainly good at doing it) They made 32-bit processors until AMD kicked their butt with the Athlon. Intel happily made single core cpus until AMD came out with the first dual core and Intel was force to super glue a couple of P4s together in response. Intel happily made cpu clock speed faster and faster until the P4 almost became a nuclear reactor. If history is any indication, Intel is more reactive than proactive.

Given Intel's past problems with the mere 4lb chimp AMD, is it any surprise to anyone that the mobile revolution caught Intel off guard once again?

With all the revenue coming in at such a fat margin, what Intel should have pursued is the next big thing that might force consumers to want more powerful processors so they can continue what they do best. The CPU battle might have ended 10 years ago had the demand for speed not been there. Bloated internet content, facebook, youtube, and HD playback drove demand for the casual users in the past decade. But just about all that can be achieved with the cheapest low end $350 laptop today. Sites like Anandtech runs these productivity benchmarks and media encoding/decoding benchmarks but seriously how relevant are they to the casual user? I ran all Microsoft office ware happily 12 years ago with my pencil overclocked Duron(man that thing screamed) and you'll have a hard time convincing me that the powerhouse call Excel demands that much more horsepower these days. Heck, my old 450mhz Celery actually did all that just fine too! 80% of your PC users will not be converting movies and ripping Mp3, we'll just be looking at stupid cat pictures on the internet. Bottom line is for the typical consumer, the cpu demand is just not there anymore.

Intel needs to either find the next big thing that will drive consumer demand for faster cpus or take all their expertise and wealth they have from the x86 market and start building something else we all want, like a giant cat robot.
 
Intel needs to either find the next big thing that will drive consumer demand for faster cpus
Replace faster with "newer", and you might be on to something. New video codecs on the horizon will require updated CPUs with H/W decode support for those codecs. (H.265)

All Intel has to do in order to keep selling CPUs and "churn" the market, is to get in bed with the codec companies, and make certain that they release new codecs every few years (coincidentally unsupported by current CPUs).

It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it, to keep consumers buying the newest CPUs.
 
Intel for the past 2 decades has live by one motto, "make faster x86 cpus" Eventually you can only improve/tweak something you invented 35 years ago before you hit a point of diminishing return. I thought it might take a bit longer before Intel can no longer throw money at the problem and brute force beat everyone with the best x86 cpu money can fab, but I really think it's going to be the next couple of years.

Intel was not the first to 64bit, not the first to hit 1ghz(Despite their fab advantage), and not the first to make a dual core. If anything, Intel has a proven track record of marching in a straight line(although they certainly good at doing it) They made 32-bit processors until AMD kicked their butt with the Athlon. Intel happily made single core cpus until AMD came out with the first dual core and Intel was force to super glue a couple of P4s together in response. Intel happily made cpu clock speed faster and faster until the P4 almost became a nuclear reactor. If history is any indication, Intel is more reactive than proactive.

Given Intel's past problems with the mere 4lb chimp AMD, is it any surprise to anyone that the mobile revolution caught Intel off guard once again?

With all the revenue coming in at such a fat margin, what Intel should have pursued is the next big thing that might force consumers to want more powerful processors so they can continue what they do best. The CPU battle might have ended 10 years ago had the demand for speed not been there. Bloated internet content, facebook, youtube, and HD playback drove demand for the casual users in the past decade. But just about all that can be achieved with the cheapest low end $350 laptop today. Sites like Anandtech runs these productivity benchmarks and media encoding/decoding benchmarks but seriously how relevant are they to the casual user? I ran all Microsoft office ware happily 12 years ago with my pencil overclocked Duron(man that thing screamed) and you'll have a hard time convincing me that the powerhouse call Excel demands that much more horsepower these days. Heck, my old 450mhz Celery actually did all that just fine too! 80% of your PC users will not be converting movies and ripping Mp3, we'll just be looking at stupid cat pictures on the internet. Bottom line is for the typical consumer, the cpu demand is just not there anymore.

Intel needs to either find the next big thing that will drive consumer demand for faster cpus or take all their expertise and wealth they have from the x86 market and start building something else we all want, like a giant cat robot.

couldnt have said it better myself
 
This Biostar TA970:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138372

Went cheap last summer in order to use an old ASUS 790FX board in another build. The TA970 is in a Lian Li case with an upside-down motherboard arrangement so it has a 120mm intake fan from the back side blowing right on the VRM heatsink. Hopefully between that and the True Spirit 140 on the CPU I can get something decent as far as an OC goes.

Well that mobo is looking very nice, especially if you take in to consideration the low price and features. I believe you will be able to reach 4.6GHz easily on that board.
 
Intel's quarterly R&D is greater than all of AMD's market cap and growing
http://ycharts.com/companies/INTC/r_and_d_expense

Two possibility. The push to 14nm and below is getting exponentially more expensive or Intel is now diverting resource all over the place. Probably a little bit of both. Intel made 11 billion in 2012 and spend about 10 billion on R&D. Takes alot of green to keep the mean blue machine far ahead of the competition. But at this rate if Intel does not strike gold, I wonder if they can continue to spend their way past their competition

Uhh...what? That profit is AFTER R&D is spent.
 
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