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Lifer
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his use of a previously written paper for a separate assignment would have qualified for academic dishonesty per university rules when I was in school.
Platypus
Lifer
- Apr 26, 2001
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You deserve exactly what happens to you if you turn it in with his name on it.. YOU are the reason assholes like this continue to thrive if you choose to include him.
Stand up and be a man, no amount of justification will change the fact that he's a freeloader who doesn't care about anyone but himself.
Stand up and be a man, no amount of justification will change the fact that he's a freeloader who doesn't care about anyone but himself.
I'd just email him and say that you couldnt get the paper done by yourself because it was too much work. He will flip out, and you just calmly turn in the paper with your name on it to your professor secretly.
I think that's what I'm going to do. Hand in his materials to the professor along with the final paper explaining that he felt this was all that was required of his contribution.
Platypus
Lifer
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Include all the emails back and forth too.. this is something I would make time with your prof for in his/her office hours to talk to them face to face about. Don't be angry or vengeful, explain the entire situation calmly and professionaly.
:thumbsup: for doing the right thing.
D1gger
Diamond Member
- Oct 3, 2004
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:thumbsup: I agree with the advice given by allisolm.
Fool me once, shame on you. ... Fool me twice, shame on me.
OP, you made the mistake to team up with him again, and then didn't make it clear what your expectations were early enough to allow him a chance to meet your expectations. Put his name on the paper and don't make the same mistake a third time.
I would tell him that you won't be working with him again and explain to him why that is the case.
I'm not a big fan of screwing people on the last day. I would have sent him an email or got in touch with him a week before the due date and said, at that time, "listen, you haven't contributed anything to this project, if you don't help out this upcoming week I'm going to be forced to submit the work as a solo project". Then, if he didn't help out, I wouldn't say anything else to him, I would submit the work as my own and let the professor see the email or whatever I sent to him a week before.
This way though... kind of ugly.
This way though... kind of ugly.
BoomerD
No Lifer
- Feb 26, 2006
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I agree. Turn the final paper in, along with everything he contributed, (and I'd even include my own notes & research) plus the assorted emails exchanged between the two of you, and let the professor make the decision how much weight to give your "co-worker" for his contributions.
If he gives the other guy full credit, so be it, just REFUSE to partner with him again.
If he gives the other guy a ZERO (which is what seems to be fair), then the other guy will hate you, and may even try to make your life hell, even at work, but unless he's higher up the food chain than you are, you should be able to deal with that professionally. (or drag him outside and kick his ass!)
Platypus
Lifer
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I don't want to turn your thread into a fight but my opinion on the subject is, you don't let people walk all over you.. no matter what. This guy obviously has pattern behavior suggesting he does as little as possible and has no qualms about putting his name on something he did not do.
This is instantly proof that he has very little integrity and pride in his work and I'm willing to bet that this same attitude shines through at work. If this guy decides to stoop even lower and make problems for you at work, the people who count will see this guy's work ethic and know what the real score is. Furthermore that's an HR case waiting to happen if he even tries it, keep everything pertaining to this issue incase you need it and it would just make things for him far worse.
The bottom line is, people like this are typically spineless when you call them on their own bullsh!t and I'd be VERY surprised if anything came from this other than you losing a social acquantence that isn't worth your time anyway.
If your professor is good at what he does, he'll put a blast shield between you and this guy and make it easier for you.
This is instantly proof that he has very little integrity and pride in his work and I'm willing to bet that this same attitude shines through at work. If this guy decides to stoop even lower and make problems for you at work, the people who count will see this guy's work ethic and know what the real score is. Furthermore that's an HR case waiting to happen if he even tries it, keep everything pertaining to this issue incase you need it and it would just make things for him far worse.
The bottom line is, people like this are typically spineless when you call them on their own bullsh!t and I'd be VERY surprised if anything came from this other than you losing a social acquantence that isn't worth your time anyway.
If your professor is good at what he does, he'll put a blast shield between you and this guy and make it easier for you.
yeah, i had a friend pull that s#it with me and my group on one of our projects.. all he did was show up.. half the time.. to our meetings... i did all the circuits and programming, another guy did the report, and the loser guy drilled like.. 2 holes... that was it.. we put his name on the paper, but talked to the professor saying that he didn't do very much... but thing is we chose him to be in our group, and although we all should be working on it, as a team, us two harder working people just had to pull the team up.. that's the way it is in a team...
Oh, he is pissed right now. Accusing me of stabbing him in the back, etc. He's the one who left me hanging to complete a project the day before it's due.
The important thing isn't that you gave him such a short notice. The important thing is that he had it coming right from the beginning! I know students like him. Inconsistent talk, little walk, they delay their contribution long enough to make a revision impossible, and at the end, they act surprised "but we worked so well together", "you never mentioned anything" etc etc.
Well guess what. You have the paper on your laptop. He has his text collection. You have the emails. You win.
Well guess what. You have the paper on your laptop. He has his text collection. You have the emails. You win.
Well, he emailed back saying that he's going to tell our professor about our breakdown and ask to take an incomplete for the class and finish his paper later.
It worries me that he'll be badmouthing me to the professor, so when I turned in my assignment online, I sent a note saying "I'm handing this paper in without Dave's name as there was a conflict. I believe he expected me to do far more work than he expected of himself. When I completed the paper, I offered to add his name subject to our disclosure of individual contributions. He refused and is now writing his own paper." Seems concise enough.
It worries me that he'll be badmouthing me to the professor, so when I turned in my assignment online, I sent a note saying "I'm handing this paper in without Dave's name as there was a conflict. I believe he expected me to do far more work than he expected of himself. When I completed the paper, I offered to add his name subject to our disclosure of individual contributions. He refused and is now writing his own paper." Seems concise enough.
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