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Andro Boy said:
Can anyone here explain why someone like me, a 29 year old male with a normal BMI and no comorbidities, needs a vaccine that doesn't even stop transmission for a virus that at it's worst is basically a bad flu for someone with my circumstances? I know it's trendy to point the finger at every unvaccinated individual as an "antivaxxer science denier", but a lot of us just don't see the point. It also doesn't help that the official Covid narrative had changed so much before the first does were even available that I simply don't trust the media and all their self-appointed experts. I'm an "essential" worker who's also never been tested, either, and I'm fine after two years of this.
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Sure, this is easy. First, it lessens the odds of contracting it and transmitting it. Second, it lowers your chances of severe illness.

And either way, it’s a free shot that is easy to get and imposes essentially no costs on you. Why wouldn’t you get it? As I’ve said before there are people against getting shots but they are generally six years old.
 
Andro Boy said:
Not a sock puppet, and it's been stated before that the vaccine doesn't stop the spread and only somewhat reduces symptoms, which defeats the "selfishness" argument, since it's literally a personal choice at that point. Just look at all of the Omicron cases in fully vaccinated people.
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It doesn’t STOP it, but it reduces it. That answers your question.

Edit: As a side note, how is it selfish to not take the shot if I feel the potential side effects for a younger male (myocarditis, muscle spasms, etc) are not worth it? I have no recourse if something in the shot fucks me up. Isn't it selfish to threaten people's livelihood for making a personal decision involving their health? Where's the concern for obese people or anyone else making unhealthy lifestyle choices using up hospital resources?
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Myocarditis is more likely as a side effect from COVID infection than it is from the shot so if your goal is to avoid it then clearly getting vaccinated is the answer.

I’m looking forward to you making up a reason why that’s not the case.
 
fskimospy said:
Sure, this is easy. First, it lessens the odds of contracting it and transmitting it. Second, it lowers your chances of severe illness.

And either way, it’s a free shot that is easy to get and imposes essentially no costs on you. Why wouldn’t you get it? As I’ve said before there are people against getting shots but they are generally six years old.
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Apparently getting the flu is now something to be welcomed and enjoyed by folks like @Andro Boy. I mean when I was 29 that was what I was trying to do. People have really gone off the deep end.
 
gothuevos said:
What part of the US has been in any sort of "lockdown" since spring 2020?
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Conservative media is still harping that things are "locked down" even when they aren't and never really were most places. Fox News does a lot of this and it's just utter nonsense.

Mostly if things are closed these days its just because too many workers are out sick with COVID for normal ops. I've got this happening in my business too.
 
fskimospy said:
It is amazing how babyish some people are where they described having to get their restaurant food to go instead of eating it inside was a ‘lockdown’.
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And to think we are heading towards some sort of civil conflict or constitutional crisis over this.

First world problems apparently are bad enough to lead to civil war, I guess.
 
K1052 said:
While not directly related some of the shenanigans at various state houses over COVID restrictions sort of presaged what happened in DC.
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I think that’s a symptom, not a cause.

The cause is that conservatives used to value democracy over being in charge and in the last 30 years they changed their mind.
 
Andro Boy said:
Omicron is also basically the flu at this point, which is basically how all viruses eventually evolve. The mass hysteria over Omicron is so transparent at this point, it makes no sense. There will always be a new variant or excuse to continue mandates and lockdowns. This is clearly not about a virus anymore, and I'm starting to question if it ever was.

Also, the vaccines still only target the original strain of the virus, and are less effective against the Delta and Omicron variants, so getting endless boosters isn't going to end this.
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This is not the fucking Flu. Right now I am sitting in a Hospital ER room with my dad who is slowly dying, mostly of old age. He does not have COVID. He is not immanent. We are here because he fell and cut his leg, with end stage renal failure (caused BTW by handling Agent Orange during his time in the Army) that is bad.
He does not need to be in a ER. He should be in a room where he could be much more comfortable while they do wound treatment for bed sores and give him dialysis.
But we are in a ER bed in a Hospital in the Woodlands because every fucking hospital bed in Houston, the 4th largest city in the United States and one of the largest medical centers in the world, is full.
That is not normal.

You say 'It is just a flu' but the flu can be devastating. The flu of 1812 killed an estimated 20 million people, and that is the low estimate.
What is really going on here is that the massively over entitled public has forgotten how horrible pandemic is and we are so disconnected from one another that we don't even notice our neighbors dyeing.

We are doomed.
 
Vaccines are awesome; outside of a medically valid reason to abstain, I don't know why you'd be so dumb as to not get one.

My spouse and I both caught COVID, likely during our recent overseas trip (as symptoms started about 1-3 days after returning), but because of vaccines, my mother-in-law, who was watching our dog, never got sick, and my spouse and I both had mild cases (in fact, I've had colds that were worse). In our n=3 scenario, vaccines and boosters did exactly what they were advertised to do.

Hate to think of what it would have been like if I was stupid enough to play the "I'm young and this is like the flu card".
 
Not content with denying COVID, anti-vaxxers continue to expand into more violent attacks on healthcare workers, as inspired by their heroes:
www.nydailynews.com

California man attacked COVID-19 vaccine clinic, called employees ‘murderers’: report

A California COVID denier allegedly attacked a mobile vaccine clinic last week, assaulting the staff members and calling them “murderers.” Thomas Apollo, 43, has been charged with batte…
www.nydailynews.com www.nydailynews.com
As this was in the red Orange County, he was released next morning on $0 bail, and whether charges will even be filed is "under review". The anti-vax and unvaccinated ADA in this same jurisdiction was just in the news for dying of COVID ~ for which anti-vaxxers falsely have blamed her death on the vaccine.
 
Dave_5k said:
Not content with denying COVID, anti-vaxxers continue to expand into more violent attacks on healthcare workers, as inspired by their heroes:
www.nydailynews.com

California man attacked COVID-19 vaccine clinic, called employees ‘murderers’: report

A California COVID denier allegedly attacked a mobile vaccine clinic last week, assaulting the staff members and calling them “murderers.” Thomas Apollo, 43, has been charged with batte…
www.nydailynews.com www.nydailynews.com
As this was in the red Orange County, he was released next morning on $0 bail, and whether charges will even be filed is "under review". The anti-vax and unvaccinated ADA in this same jurisdiction was just in the news for dying of COVID ~ for which anti-vaxxers falsely have blamed her death on the vaccine.
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Probably a friend or relative of the ass clown weblooker
 
Andro Boy said:
Nah, I just don't see the point. Most of my friends and acquaintances feel the same as me. As for a media bubble, I feel like there's a little projection there. Most people stuck in a media feedback loop seem to be the ones still absolutely terrified of Covid and still thinking it's March 2020. Unless you're referring to far right QANON media bubbles, which I don't associate with.
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the point has been explained to you repeatedly. You are "not getting it" because you're monstrously stupid or selfish, both of which should be frowned upon if you are 29 years old as you claim.
 
shortylickens said:
the point has been explained to you repeatedly. You are "not getting it" because you're monstrously stupid or selfish, both of which should be frowned upon if you are 29 years old as you claim.
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Exactly. It really can't be emphasized enough. Literally any person who is not medically unable to get the vaccine who chooses not to is stupid.

Period. They are a stupid person.
 
K1052 said:
Conservative media is still harping that things are "locked down" even when they aren't and never really were most places. Fox News does a lot of this and it's just utter nonsense.

Mostly if things are closed these days its just because too many workers are out sick with COVID for normal ops. I've got this happening in my business too.
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That's how it is here - loads of things closed because so many of their staff are off sick. Not sure what proportion of that is people seriously too ill to work and how much is due to rules about "self-isolating" to stop the spread, mind.

The health system is still creaking at the seams, even with fewer people ending up in ICU. One factor that bothers me is that the sheer strain of it all probably means all medical staff, if they haven't burned-out and quit entirely, are going to be completely stressed-out and in bad moods, not only right now but for some time to come, which isn't good news for me with my long list of hard-to-diagnose problems. Medics tended to be tetchy with me even when things were going well.
 
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