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The argument that masks block everything was never made by anyone other than those arguing why masks fail because they don't block everything. The entire point is they block enough to help limit the spread.

And this is why the CDC should have never offered the carrot of removing masks regardless of vaccination, because it just gave the assholes who wanted any reason to stop wearing one to do so, and once they took off the mandates they had to know that right wingers were gonna try and block them from being implemented again.
 

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Pierce, prominent Trumpie and defender of the insurrectionists, and also a public anti-Vaxxer, may be non responsive with COVID. No idea where he might have caught it…

There seems to be some skepticism over whether Mr. Pierce is, in fact, incapacitated, or even hospitalized with Covid. It seems his associates have given his clients and various authorities a number of different excuses. I don't know that any media outlet has actually been able to confirm whether he is hospitalized.

Occam's Razor--could just be another disappearing grifter absconding with his clients' money and leaving them to the whims of prosecutors.

 
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There seems to be some skepticism over whether Mr. Pierce is, in fact, incapacitated, or even hospitalized with Covid. It seems his associates have given his clients and various authorities a number of different excuses. I don't know that any media outlet has actually been able to confirm whether he is hospitalized.

Occam's Razor--could just be another disappearing grifter absconding with his clients' money and leaving them to the whims of prosecutors.


Having a real hard time feeling sorry for either party..

In the end i hope we can call it a tie with a lose - lose scenario.
 

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Can't stand Clapton. But also have never liked Queen...but it is quite hard to really take against Brian May - physics PhD, then sticks up for the badgers, and seems he's sane when it comes to vaccines too. Maybe I'll even forgive him that hair style.
I will forever remember the remark by Paul Foot's comments on the badger cull on 8 out of 10 Cats several years ago. So left field and nearly died from laughing at how true it was. Spoke volumes of today's issues as these Covidiots are pretty much similar people he was insulting.
 

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What could go wrong without mask requirements, with <45% adult vaccinations, and 19% COVID positivity rate… we bring you Waco
51 confirmed COVID cases and now 2 dead teachers in 2 weeks of classes

edit: note the “only in Texas” critical news in the article - while schools temporarily closed the games must go on - High School football coach Terry Gerik says the Cadets will play La Vega as scheduled Friday night.
 
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And, unsurprisingly, Ivermectin the alleged cure is so far proving worse than the disease

An adult drank an injectable ivermectin formulation intended for use in cattle in an attempt to prevent COVID-19 infection. This patient presented to a hospital with confusion, drowsiness, visual hallucinations, tachypnea, and tremors. The patient recovered after being hospitalized for nine days.

An adult patient presented with altered mental status after taking ivermectin tablets of unknown strength purchased on the internet. The patient reportedly took five tablets a day for five days to treat COVID-19. The patient was disoriented and had difficulty answering questions and following commands. Symptoms improved with discontinuation of ivermectin after hospital admission. […]

Seek immediate medical attention or call the poison control center hotline (1-800-222-1222) for advice if you have taken ivermectin or a product that contains ivermectin and are having symptoms. Signs and symptoms include gastrointestinal effects (nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, and diarrhea), headache, blurred vision, dizziness, fast heart rate, and low blood pressure. Other severe nervous system effects have been reported, including tremors, seizures, hallucinations, confusion, loss of coordination and balance, decreased alertness, and coma.

You might be in a coma, but you’ll be rid of those pesky larval nasal bots. There’s an old saying - the dose makes the poison. Just about everything is toxic in large enough doses. They might be ok if they were careful about it, but these people have been gaslit by grifters who could care less about these peoples well being.
 

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And, unsurprisingly, Ivermectin the alleged cure is so far proving worse than the disease



You might be in a coma, but you’ll be rid of those pesky larval nasal bots. There’s an old saying - the dose makes the poison. Just about everything is toxic in large enough doses. They might be ok if they were careful about it, but these people have been gaslit by grifters who could care less about these peoples well being.
Unfortunately I doubt his case of brain worms was cured.
 

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IMO, biggest Covidiot in Canada right now is Alberta Premiere Jason Kenney. He opened the province back up with the lowest vaccine rate in the country, let Covid run rampant, stopped contact tracing, stopped doing updates and went on vacation. Leaving a void, that swamped health professionals have now tried to fill on their own:

 

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Can someone help me with a simplified explanation I can give an anti-covid vaxxer. His rationale the mRNA style vaccine isn't designed to kill COVID like past traditional vaccines. He's claiming while vaccinated people aren't getting as sick we do know they can spread COVID and vaccinated people are more responsible for mutations.

I don't know enough about vaccines to respond.
 

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Can someone help me with a simplified explanation I can give an anti-covid vaxxer. His rationale the mRNA style vaccine isn't designed to kill COVID like past traditional vaccines. He's claiming while vaccinated people aren't getting as sick we do know they can spread COVID and vaccinated people are more responsible for mutations.

I don't know enough about vaccines to respond.
No vaccine kills viruses. That is a myth. Instead, vaccines train your own immune system to kill viruses. This is true with all vaccines, the Covid vaccines and even traditional vaccines.

The vaccine does not prevent you from breathing in the virus. The vaccine does not prevent the virus from trying to replicate inside your lungs. What the vaccine does is to give your immune system a head start. Instead of taking several days to figure out how to kill the virus, your immune system has already seen the virus proteins from the vaccine and just needs to ramp up. Thus the vaccine gives you a chance to kill the virus a few days earlier before the virus gets out of control, but it doesn't kill the virus outright.

Think of it like military training exercises. Training exercises do not kill terrorists. Training exercises do not prevent terrorists from showing up. But equipping and training the military ahead of time lets the military be much more ready when terrorists do show up.
 
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No vaccine kills viruses. That is a myth. Instead, vaccines train your own immune system to kill viruses. This is true with all vaccines, the Covid vaccines and even traditional vaccines.

The vaccine does not prevent you from breathing in the virus. The vaccine does not prevent the virus from trying to replicate inside your lungs. What the vaccine does is to give your immune system a head start. Instead of taking several days to figure out how to kill the virus, your immune system has already seen the virus proteins from the vaccine and just needs to ramp up. Thus the vaccine gives you a chance to kill the virus a few days earlier before the virus gets out of control, but it doesn't kill the virus outright.

Think of it like military training exercises. Training exercises do not kill terrorists. Training exercises do not prevent terrorists from showing up. But equipping and training the military ahead of time lets the military be much more ready when terrorists do show up.
 

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Can someone help me with a simplified explanation I can give an anti-covid vaxxer. His rationale the mRNA style vaccine isn't designed to kill COVID like past traditional vaccines. He's claiming while vaccinated people aren't getting as sick we do know they can spread COVID and vaccinated people are more responsible for mutations.

I don't know enough about vaccines to respond.

Pull the MAGA / AntiVaxx / AntiMask line


You are fucking wrong do your own fucking research.
 
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Dave_5k

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Not content with simply refusing the vaccine, Georgian neanderthals are also now harassing/shutting down state vaccination clinics and identifying and harassing nurses working there.
 
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Bitek

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Can someone help me with a simplified explanation I can give an anti-covid vaxxer. His rationale the mRNA style vaccine isn't designed to kill COVID like past traditional vaccines. He's claiming while vaccinated people aren't getting as sick we do know they can spread COVID and vaccinated people are more responsible for mutations.

I don't know enough about vaccines to respond.

All vaccines are designed to present a target to your immune system in order to recruit the body into building neutralizing antibodies (and prime other defenses.)

Traditionally this was done in a number of ways, including injecting attenuated live virus into your body ( Eg MMR, Chickenpox, stuff everyone got as a baby) or killed virus (eg polio, flu.)

"Where do we get all this volume of virus to make vaccines?" you may ask. Good question.

A common manufacturing technique is injecting chicken eggs with virus and incubating them to grow mass quantities, then harvesting and processing into vaccines.

Yes. If you visited a vaccine manufacturer, say Merck, you will literally see thousands of infected chicken eggs sitting in an incubator.

The original innoculating virus comes from govt heath orgs (eg CDC, WHO). For flu, they guess what the strain will be for the next season by monitoring other parts of the globe, modeling and collecting samples. It's not an exact science and they miss often enough

Overall, this process is slow, caveman level bullshit, but its worked well for the speed of viruses we've faced, but too fuckin slow for COVID.

Instead of spending months building chicken egg factories to build viral particles, mRNA vaccines work to use the protein factories that already exist inside every cell in your body, and skipping all the bullshit.

Ribosomes, the most ancient and highly preserved organelles inside your cells, builds every protein inside your body from instructions encoded in messenger (m)RNA, that was made as a copy of a small part of your DNA (ie central library.)

The mRNA vaccines are simply work instructions to your ribosomes to pretty please build this section of coronavirus' spike protein.

It does in quantity, and the expressed protein is now available to be presented to your body's immune system for reaction, just as you would have it was a an attenuated or killed virus grown in a fuckin chicken egg, and also without all the other proteins that may have not been purified out and possibly cause allergic reactions.

It's far faster, better targeted, more adaptable, and more effective than traditional processes. Yay for science.
 
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Bitek

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Can someone help me with a simplified explanation I can give an anti-covid vaxxer. His rationale the mRNA style vaccine isn't designed to kill COVID like past traditional vaccines. He's claiming while vaccinated people aren't getting as sick we do know they can spread COVID and vaccinated people are more responsible for mutations.

I don't know enough about vaccines to respond.

As far as mutations go, that person is retarded.

Mutations are simply copy mistakes when new genetic code is written. No replication process can possibly have 100% fidelity, and it's not advantageous for the virus to do so. Changes drive evolution.

New code written as part of the viral replication process. The viral copy machinery, RNA transcriptase (specifically ORF1A/B for covid) makes new RNA from itself to package into the rest of the viral protein building blocks to make new virus.

Inherently, the more replication you have, more events for mutations. Mutations must be passed on to survive, so the virus must infect a new person and replicate.

As vaccinated people are less likely to be infected, less likely to have severe disease, and less likely to transmit, it's fuckin stupid to say they are driving variants.

Additionally, viral RNA can recombine (swap parts or sections) with each other, or even with other rna viruses if there are multiple infections going on at same time.
Where can you find increased occurrence of this? In gravely ill and immunocompromised patients, particularly those laying in a bed for extended periods, overrun with virus, immune system failing and infectious as hell.

Vaccinated people are FAR LESS likely to end up in this state, and inherently are less risk
 
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