Court sets new rules for taser use

[jlee]

That's what.....she said?

ok, I'll admit..I laughed.

 

[Ticky]

ERRRRR im totally confused

how in the hell do you compare barking orders at wife and kids to be the same as barking orders to a stranger who wont get back in the car?? the leading cause of death to cops are from routine traffic stops. so give them a little respect when you get pulled over becuase its scary as hell walking up to ask for your license, reg and insurance.

Scary as hell? So should "Miscellaneous agricultural workers" get scared every time they pick a tomato? Because they're more likely to die on the job than police officers.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/Careers/01/08/cb.danger/index.html

 

[jlee]

Scary as hell? So should "Miscellaneous agricultural workers" get scared every time they pick a tomato? Because they're more likely to die on the job than police officers.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/Careers/01/08/cb.danger/index.html

Please show me a tomato that has assaulted a miscellaneous agriculture worker.

 

[Ticky]

Please show me a tomato that has assaulted a miscellaneous agriculture worker.

The tomato may not be dangerous, but the farm machinery sure is. And something is killing all those miscellaneous agriculture workers.

 

[jlee]

The tomato may not be dangerous, but the farm machinery sure is. And something is killing all those miscellaneous agriculture workers.

And how do they stay safe? Good training and proper safety precautions.

See where I'm going with this?

 

[Ticky]

And how do they stay safe? Good training and proper safety precautions.

See where I'm going with this?

How much training do you suppose your average farm worker receives?

I'm not saying that police work can't be made safer through proper safety procedures. Just that police work isn't as dangerous as farming. Commercial fishing is 6.5x as dangerous, but no one thanks fisherman for their service when they bite into a fishstick.

 

[SirStev0]

ok, I'll admit..I laughed.

I give him credit for that one too. Though I usually detest the overused wayne's world quote.

Yeah I got it pretty bad in the eyes and I could def feel the burn in my lungs.

 

[Arkaign]

How bout these helpful tips :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8&feature=related

 

[jlee]

How much training do you suppose your average farm worker receives?

I'm not saying that police work can't be made safer through proper safety procedures. Just that police work isn't as dangerous as farming. Commercial fishing is 6.5x as dangerous, but no one thanks fisherman for their service when they bite into a fishstick.

What's your point? That I shouldn't try to stay safe because other jobs are more dangerous? I don't expect anyone to thank me either. Sure, it's nice, but my thanks is my paycheck.

 

[SirStev0]

How bout these helpful tips :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8&feature=related

Is that Wyatt Senack or whatever his name is ... you know, the thinner black guy on the daily show, driving the car?

 

[Arkaign]

Is that Wyatt Senack or whatever his name is ... you know, the thinner black guy on the daily show, driving the car?

It does look like him, but the quality of the video makes it a bit hard to say for sure. Funny tho.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

How much training do you suppose your average farm worker receives?

I'm not saying that police work can't be made safer through proper safety procedures. Just that police work isn't as dangerous as farming. Commercial fishing is 6.5x as dangerous, but no one thanks fisherman for their service when they bite into a fishstick.

What does that have to do with anything? So you're saying that when a police officer pulls over a vehicle with dark tinted windows to issue a ticket for expired tabs and one of the occupants pulls out a gun and fires on him it's not dangerous? Police officers often are faced with the unknown yet they get no gratitude for their work. Get a fuckin clue.

 

[Ticky]

What's your point? That I shouldn't try to stay safe because other jobs are more dangerous? I don't expect anyone to thank me either. Sure, it's nice, but my thanks is my paycheck.

My point is that I'm bored with hearing how dangerous police work supposedly is, and I'm bored of the circle-jerk in the law-and-order corner.

 

[Ticky]

What does that have to do with anything? So you're saying that when a police officer pulls over a vehicle with dark tinted windows to issue a ticket for expired tabs and one of the occupants pulls out a gun and fires on him it's not dangerous? Police officers often are faced with the unknown yet they get no gratitude for their work. Get a fuckin clue.

No. My point is that many people are faced with dangers in the workplace, and the police are not special.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

My point is that I'm bored with hearing how dangerous police work supposedly is, and I'm bored of the circle-jerk in the law-and-order corner.

You're an idiot. Think about this, four police officers are getting ready for their shift by having some coffee and getting caught up on some paperwork when some idiot blind sides them and open fires - killing all of them just because they're police officers (Lakewood, WA). Let me ask you, when is the last time you heard of anyone opening fire on farm workers? And before you come up with the argument that all cops eat donuts and drink coffee basically all of us start are day with a cup of coffee.

 

[jlee]

My point is that I'm bored with hearing how dangerous police work supposedly is, and I'm bored of the circle-jerk in the law-and-order corner.

In the upper right corner of your screen, there should be a little 'X'. Click that and your problem will go away.

 

[Ticky]

You're an idiot. Think about this, four police officers are getting ready for their shift by having some coffee and getting caught up on some paperwork when some idiot blind sides them and open fires - killing all of them just because they're police officers (Lakewood, WA). Let me ask you, when is the last time you heard of anyone opening fire on farm workers? And before you come up with the argument that all cops eat donuts and drink coffee basically all of us start are day with a cup of coffee.

Think about this. A farm worker has his arm ripped off by a combine and bleeds to death. How is this any more or less tragic than the police officers being shot? They both died as a result of their profession.

 

[FallenHero]

My point is that I'm bored with hearing how dangerous police work supposedly is, and I'm bored of the circle-jerk in the law-and-order corner.

The following information concerns duly sworn city, university and college, county, state, and tribal law enforcement officers who were assaulted in the line of duty in 2008 and met certain other criteria.
Overview

* In 2008, a total of 10,110 law enforcement agencies submitted assault data to the FBI. These agencies employed 518,120 officers who served more than 226 million people, representing nearly 75 percent of the Nation’s population. (Based on Table 65.)
* Law enforcement agencies reported that 58,792 officers were assaulted in the line of duty.
* The rate of these offenses was 11.3 officer assaults per 100 sworn officers in 2008.

More information about these topics is provided in Tables 65, 66, 70, and 71.
Injuries

* Of all the officers assaulted, 26.1 percent sustained injuries.
* Among officers who were assaulted with personal weapons (e.g., hands, fists, or feet), 27.8 percent were injured.
* Of those attacked with knives or other cutting instruments, 13.4 percent suffered injuries.
* Of the officers who were assaulted with firearms, 8.4 percent were injured.
* Among officers who were assaulted with other dangerous weapons, 22.6 percent sustained injuries.

More information about this topic is provided in Tables 65, 66, and 70.
Times of incidents

* For the tenth consecutive year, 12:01 to 2 a.m. was the time frame in which most officer assaults occurred, accounting for 15.5 percent of all officer assaults.
* The time frame in which the fewest officer assaults happened was 6:01 to 8 a.m., accounting for 2.4 percent of those incidents.

More information about this topic is provided in Table 67.
Circumstances

* In 2008, the largest percentage of officers assaulted (32.0 percent) were responding to disturbance calls (family quarrels, bar fights, etc.).
* The second-highest percentage of officers assaulted (15.1 percent) were attempting other arrests.
* The third-highest percentage of officers assaulted (11.8 percent) were handling, transporting, or maintaining custody of prisoners.

More information about this topic is provided in Tables 68, 69, and 73.
Clearances

Law enforcement agencies can clear offenses by arrests or exceptional means (i.e., when law enforcement can identify the perpetrator but are unable to make an arrest due to circumstances beyond their control, such as the death or suicide of the subject).

* Of the 58,792 reported assaults on law enforcement officers in 2008, law enforcement agencies cleared 88.5 percent.
* By type of circumstance, agencies cleared the greatest percentage of officer assaults (90.8 percent) for incidents involving calls to civil disorder scenes (mass disobedience, riot, etc.).

More information about this topic is provided in Table 68.
Assignments

* 62.7 percent of the law enforcement officers who were assaulted were assigned to 1-officer vehicle patrols.
* 17.8 percent of the officers who were assaulted were assigned to 2-officer vehicle patrols.
* 5.1 percent of officers who were assaulted were assigned to detective duties or special assignments.
* 14.4 percent of officers who were assaulted were assigned to other official duties.

(Based on Table 69.)
Weapons

* The majority of officers who were assaulted in the line of duty in 2008—80.7 percent—were attacked with personal weapons.
* 3.8 percent of the officers were assaulted with firearms.
* 1.6 percent of the officers were assaulted with knives or other cutting instruments.
* 13.9 percent of the officers were assaulted with other dangerous weapons.

More information about this topic is provided in Tables 70, 71, 72, and 73.


Year Number of Assaults
1999-------55,971
2000-------58,398
2001-------57,463
2002-------59,526
2003-------58,600
2004-------59,692
2005-------57,820
2006-------59,396
2007-------61,257
2008-------58,792

So over the course of the last 10 years, on average 58691 officers are assaulted every year...but the profession isn't dangerous. Ok.

 

[jlee]

Think about this. A farm worker has his arm ripped off by a combine and bleeds to death. How is this any more or less tragic than the police officers being shot? They both died as a result of their profession.

I'm still not seeing a point here.

 

[Ticky]

The following information concerns duly sworn city, university and college, county, state, and tribal law enforcement officers who were assaulted in the line of duty in 2008 and met certain other criteria.
Overview

* In 2008, a total of 10,110 law enforcement agencies submitted assault data to the FBI. These agencies employed 518,120 officers who served more than 226 million people, representing nearly 75 percent of the Nation’s population. (Based on Table 65.)
* Law enforcement agencies reported that 58,792 officers were assaulted in the line of duty.
* The rate of these offenses was 11.3 officer assaults per 100 sworn officers in 2008.

More information about these topics is provided in Tables 65, 66, 70, and 71.
Injuries

* Of all the officers assaulted, 26.1 percent sustained injuries.
* Among officers who were assaulted with personal weapons (e.g., hands, fists, or feet), 27.8 percent were injured.
* Of those attacked with knives or other cutting instruments, 13.4 percent suffered injuries.
* Of the officers who were assaulted with firearms, 8.4 percent were injured.
* Among officers who were assaulted with other dangerous weapons, 22.6 percent sustained injuries.

More information about this topic is provided in Tables 65, 66, and 70.
Times of incidents

* For the tenth consecutive year, 12:01 to 2 a.m. was the time frame in which most officer assaults occurred, accounting for 15.5 percent of all officer assaults.
* The time frame in which the fewest officer assaults happened was 6:01 to 8 a.m., accounting for 2.4 percent of those incidents.

More information about this topic is provided in Table 67.
Circumstances

* In 2008, the largest percentage of officers assaulted (32.0 percent) were responding to disturbance calls (family quarrels, bar fights, etc.).
* The second-highest percentage of officers assaulted (15.1 percent) were attempting other arrests.
* The third-highest percentage of officers assaulted (11.8 percent) were handling, transporting, or maintaining custody of prisoners.

More information about this topic is provided in Tables 68, 69, and 73.
Clearances

Law enforcement agencies can clear offenses by arrests or exceptional means (i.e., when law enforcement can identify the perpetrator but are unable to make an arrest due to circumstances beyond their control, such as the death or suicide of the subject).

* Of the 58,792 reported assaults on law enforcement officers in 2008, law enforcement agencies cleared 88.5 percent.
* By type of circumstance, agencies cleared the greatest percentage of officer assaults (90.8 percent) for incidents involving calls to civil disorder scenes (mass disobedience, riot, etc.).

More information about this topic is provided in Table 68.
Assignments

* 62.7 percent of the law enforcement officers who were assaulted were assigned to 1-officer vehicle patrols.
* 17.8 percent of the officers who were assaulted were assigned to 2-officer vehicle patrols.
* 5.1 percent of officers who were assaulted were assigned to detective duties or special assignments.
* 14.4 percent of officers who were assaulted were assigned to other official duties.

(Based on Table 69.)
Weapons

* The majority of officers who were assaulted in the line of duty in 2008—80.7 percent—were attacked with personal weapons.
* 3.8 percent of the officers were assaulted with firearms.
* 1.6 percent of the officers were assaulted with knives or other cutting instruments.
* 13.9 percent of the officers were assaulted with other dangerous weapons.

More information about this topic is provided in Tables 70, 71, 72, and 73.

Right. It's dangerous. BUT so are lots of other jobs. I'm not saying police work is ponies and sunshine. I'm just trying to correct the misconception that police work is exponentially more dangerous than any other job, which a surprising number of people seem to have.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Think about this. A farm worker has his arm ripped off by a combine and bleeds to death. How is this any more or less tragic than the police officers being shot? They both died as a result of their profession.

Right, but the difference is that the police officer was serving his community not because of his paycheck but because he believes what he/she is doing is helping us citizens out. All too often most of us sit behind our computers screens or TV and hear nothing but the negative of when a police officer beats someone up. Yes it happens. There's bound to be bad seeds. But how often do we all look at the big picture and realize how much they do for us? Think about it. Really think about it.

 

[Agentbolt]

You're an idiot. Think about this, four police officers are getting ready for their shift by having some coffee and getting caught up on some paperwork when some idiot blind sides them and open fires - killing all of them just because they're police officers (Lakewood, WA). Let me ask you, when is the last time you heard of anyone opening fire on farm workers? And before you come up with the argument that all cops eat donuts and drink coffee basically all of us start are day with a cup of coffee.

I've stayed out of these types of threads because the idiotic, clueless cop supporters continually defy all reason and logic in their desperate attempt to slobber the knobs of every single police officer out there, but this reeled me back in.

You've gotten so far off the mark it's not even funny. What does a random psychopath have to do with a cop tazing some shirtless, unarmed man over a minor traffic accident? Or Deloyd Scott getting tazed 6 times for not showing his ID when not legally required to do so? Or the naked guy that got tazed at Coachella FOUR times by three cops?

A lot of cops are powertripping assholes who taze people because it's nonlethal and for whatever reason it gets their dicks hard. Non-compliance is a perfectly legit reason to arrest someone, it's NOT an excuse to tazer somebody who otherwise is posing no threat. It's about time someone told these douchebags with a badge to fucking knock it off and stop being a bunch of taze-happy morons.

 

[FallenHero]

Right. It's dangerous. BUT so are lots of other jobs. I'm not saying police work is ponies and sunshine. I'm just trying to correct the misconception that police work is exponentially more dangerous than any other job, which a surprising number of people seem to have.

Exponentially more dangerous, no, inherently more dangerous then most, yes.

 

[jlee]

I've stayed out of these types of threads because the idiotic, clueless cop supporters continually defy all reason and logic in their desperate attempt to slobber the knobs of every single police officer out there, but this reeled me back in.

You've gotten so far off the mark it's not even funny. What does a random psychopath have to do with a cop tazing some shirtless, unarmed man over a minor traffic accident? Or Deloyd Scott getting tazed 6 times for not showing his ID when not legally required to do so? Or the naked guy that got tazed at Coachella FOUR times by three cops?

A lot of cops are powertripping assholes who taze people because it's nonlethal and for whatever reason it gets their dicks hard. Non-compliance is a perfectly legit reason to arrest someone, it's NOT an excuse to tazer somebody who otherwise is posing no threat. It's about time someone told these douchebags with a badge to fucking knock it off and stop being a bunch of taze-happy morons.

The OP is no longer the topic of discussion.

 

[Agentbolt]

Right, but the difference is that the police officer was serving his community not because of his paycheck but because he believes what he/she is doing is helping us citizens out. All too often most of us sit behind our computers screens or TV and hear nothing but the negative of when a police officer beats someone up. Yes it happens. There's bound to be bad seeds. But how often do we all look at the big picture and realize how much they do for us? Think about it. Really think about it.

Ugh, so you know exactly HOW that most cops aren't doing it for the paycheck? Because there's a lot of migrant farm workers and fishermen out there doing even more dangerous work for far LESS money. Why are they doing it, because they believe in the pure goodness of picking apples?

Being a cop earns you 60-70k a year with a high school diploma. How many other jobs can do that? A lot of cops do what they do because they're not terribly bright and still want to make decent money.