Court sets new rules for taser use

[PrinceofWands]

If you have a problem with how a situation is handled, you can address it later in a method which might be effective. If you get shot and bleed out on the street, your cause will die with you. If you learn to address the matter through the proper avenues after the immediate incident, the root of the problem can be addressed.

Ridiculous. At that point you've already suffered the harm, which I have an innate human right to avoid. Period. I will stop the harm or die trying.

 

[Train]

Ridiculous. At that point you've already suffered the harm, which I have an innate human right to avoid. Period. I will stop the harm or die trying.

And you'll nominate yourself for the Darwin award in the process.

 

[OutHouse]

Ridiculous. At that point you've already suffered the harm, which I have an chemical imbalance. I will stop the harm or die trying.

fixed

 

[PrinceofWands]

You are a moron.

The method of handling someone as jlee described is WELL within the constitutional rights of the subject and you ARE protected. There are methods of disciplining police who do not handle things like jlee described.

You call upon the constitution but you apparently fail to have even the least idea what the purpose of government is. One of the purposes is to maintain law and order, and police are bestowed with certain powers to enforce that. I think that the rights granted to them are reasonable. Sometimes abused and there should be punishment when that happens.

However, you seem to argue with the fact that a police officer HAS the lawful right to detain you, to give you orders to remain where you are, to put your hands in sight, etc and to use appropriate force if you pose an apparent threat through your non-compliance. On what grounds do you debate that?

The purpose of government is to protect individuals from abuse...from other individuals, from other countries, from groups with power, etc.

I've never argued anything of the kind. Nobody said anything about lawful detention. We were talking about unnecessary use of force when no active threat was present. They have the right to detain, to arrest, etc...but NOT the right to inflict harm unless threat of harm is imminent.

 

[PrinceofWands]

wow, so every cop should approach every person they contact with weapon drawn now. god you are a idiot. From all your post you make it very clear you have no idea what you are talking about. you also make it clear that you would sue the cop for excessive force if he followed your stupid way of thinking. cops DO NOT exist to protect citizens rights they exist to enforce laws period.

your post are so idiotic i dont know why i am even responding to you.

That may be what it's become, but it's immoral and wrong. Law is irrelevant, only justice matters.

 

[jlee]

Ridiculous. At that point you've already suffered the harm, which I have an innate human right to avoid. Period. I will stop the harm or die trying.

Funny...most people would consider being dead to be the most harm of all. You'd even be bringing it on yourself. Essentially, you are saying that you would rather commit suicide than suffer the slightest injustice.

That may be what it's become, but it's immoral and wrong. Law is irrelevant, only justice matters.

Do you want police officers to think that way too? Street justice instead of court justice? That's a dangerous road, especially when you consider your beliefs that a human life is worth a mere $0.05.

 

[mugs]

Funny...most people would consider being dead to be the most harm of all. You'd even be bringing it on yourself. Essentially, you are saying that you would rather commit suicide than suffer the slightest injustice.

I'm starting to think he might be mentally ill... which makes him even more dangerous to the police.

 

[PrinceofWands]

actually your attitude is absolutely sick and twisted. fight to the death for 5 cents? lol you are a freak dude. If i "fought to the death" for every injustice that has been put upon me i would be dead many many many times over. i dont know what the fascination you have with death and killing for stupid shit but you really are sick in the head and you need to be committed before you hurt somebody.

you are a dangerous person and you should go in for a psych eval.

Had many, company policy. Totally sane, just not willing to surrender my rights.

I've refused to compromise my entire life. I've faced numerous court martials, trials, firings, fights, threats, you name it. I haven't backed down since high school, and I never will. I do what I believe to be right, no matter the cost. Always.

 

[iGas]

I am protecting you by keeping you in the car. Do you want to get run over?

If I make a traffic stop and the driver's door immediately opens and someone starts to get out, I am not going to say "Excuse me sir, for your safety I would prefer that you remain in your car. If you wouldn't mind doing that, that would be great." I'm going to say something like "Stay in the car." It's fast, to the point, and easy to understand. What's your problem with that?

Yes I do have a problem with that!

Try barking commands at your kids and see how they grown up, and better yet bark at your wife and see how long before she kick your ass to the curb.

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

Longest 5 seconds of my life. I'd still take that over spray again, though.

No kidding. I'd rather get shot that get sprayed again.

 

[PrinceofWands]

And you'll nominate yourself for the Darwin award in the process.

If necessary. A small price for standing up for what's right.

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

Yes I do have a problem with that!

Try barking command at your kids and see how they grown up, and better yet bark at your wife and see how long before she kick your ass to the curb.

Because I conduct traffic stops on my wife and kids all the time. What the hell sense does that make?

I know my kids and my wife, which is the reason I wouldn't "bark orders at them." If I'm trying to get through to someone I don't know, simple and effective works.

 

[jlee]

Yes I do have a problem with that!

Try barking command at your kids and see how they grown up, and better yet bark at your wife and see how long before she kick your ass to the curb.

If I'm out shopping with family and somoeone starts shooting, you're damn right I'm going to "bark." Maybe you haven't read the rest of my posts in this thread. Maybe you should.

I have a routine greeting for a traffic stop:
"Hello, I'm Officer Lee with the xxx Police Department. I have to tell you you're being recorded by the camera in my car. Could I see your license and registration please?"

It must not be that bad, otherwise I wouldn't have a commendation from our County Attorney regarding my conduct when I (unknowingly) stopped him. But by all means, think whatever you want -- you're obviously going to do so anyway.

 

[OutHouse]

Had many, company policy. Totally sane, just not willing to surrender my rights.

I've refused to compromise my entire life. I've faced numerous court martials, trials, firings, fights, threats, you name it. I haven't backed down since high school, and I never will. I do what I believe to be right, no matter the cost. Always.

interesting. i dont think they asked you the right questions.

 

[OutHouse]

Yes I do have a problem with that!

Try barking commands at your kids and see how they grown up, and better yet bark at your wife and see how long before she kick your ass to the curb.

ERRRRR im totally confused

how in the hell do you compare barking orders at wife and kids to be the same as barking orders to a stranger who wont get back in the car?? the leading cause of death to cops are from routine traffic stops. so give them a little respect when you get pulled over becuase its scary as hell walking up to ask for your license, reg and insurance.

 

[PrinceofWands]

interesting. i dont think they asked you the right questions.

Had numerous intelligence batteries, personality sorters, occupational evals, a couple mmpis, a rorshach, and state certifications of eligibility to own/carry firearms. Just what exactly do you think they could have missed?

It's fairly obvious that the more reasonable answer is that nothing I have said is the least bit insane, merely different from societal norms or incomprehensible to persons with a differing ideology and value set.

I'm different. Not stupid, and not crazy. You don't like it, but then, you don't have to.

 

[iGas]

ERRRRR im totally confused

how in the hell do you compare barking orders at wife and kids to be the same as barking orders to a stranger who wont get back in the car?? the leading cause of death to cops are from routine traffic stops. so give them a little respect when you get pulled over becuase its scary as hell walking up to ask for your license, reg and insurance.

Barking order at a criminal isn't going to save yourself from getting your ass shot.

Barking order at a law abiding citizen isn't going to get you shot but it will piss off the citizen, because they don't need to be treated like a criminal.

Being polite to a law abiding citizen isn't going to get you shot, however it may have a positive effect, earn respect, and gratitude from the citizen.

IMHO, people hates cops because cops ask for it.

 

[jlee]

Barking order at a criminal isn't going to save yourself from getting your ass shot.

Barking order at a law abiding citizen isn't going to get you shot but it will piss off the citizen, because they don't need to be treated like a criminal.

In three years, I have yet to have anyone get upset at me for telling them to get back in / stay in the car.

Being polite to a law abiding citizen isn't going to get you shot, however it may have a positive effect, earn respect, and gratitude from the citizen.

IMHO, people hates cops because cops ask for it.

Just because I am direct does not mean I am impolite.

 

[dlx22]

IMHO, people hates cops because cops ask for it.

or because people don't like to be held accountable for their actions.

in reality its generally a few bad apples and high profile incidents that give cops bad reputations.

 

[Nik]

or because people don't like to be held accountable for their actions.

in reality its generally a few bad apples and high profile incidents that give cops bad reputations.

It's the cops that give cops bad reputations. People wouldn't hate them if they weren't such dicks.

 

[Nik]

Is it fair for the public to assume the same about you and your coworkers?

Of course not. Cops can do no wrong -and, when they do, it's because a coulda-woulda-shoulda situation.

 

[Zebo]

I have no idea how you made it to adulthood POW.

 

[SirStev0]

No kidding. I'd rather get shot that get sprayed again.

With Mace? Really?

I have never had it directly but I did get hit with it indirectly because some kid I was helping was absolutely covered in it. It was really bad, but it wasn't horrendous. That kid on the other hand was in bad shape. He was pretty much writhering in pain on the floor. They easily must have unleashed a half of can each on him. Oh for what? He was one of about a hundred to rush the field after PSU beat OSU in 04. He was on all fours trying to catch his breath after getting hit with a bit of it and two cops decided it'd be a good idea to kick him while he was down. It reminded me of that scene in Billy Madison where his one friend is just spraying the kid with the hose and the kid is begging him to stop.

 

[jlee]

Did you get it in your eyes and mouth?

 

[Kirby]

Did you get it in your eyes and mouth?

That's what.....she said?