Court declares Franken winner; Coleman to appeal

[Craig234]

"The battle in Washington is real. Every day in the Senate without Al Franken is a great day," Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) recently told a Tulsa audience. Politico reported that Republicans back the idea of Coleman appealing his case indefinitely because "a long fight is worth it if it keeps Franken from becoming the 59th Senate Democrat, which would give President Barack Obama a huge advantage over the next two years."

...most of the mainstream press won't mention -- namely, that Norm Coleman is pursuing his doomed challenge to Al Franken's being seated as our newest Senator because the national Republican Party has ordered him to do so come hell or high water. NRSC fundraisers are being held constantly to feed the maw of Norm's hundred-lawyer machine; Mitch McConnell's already maxed out at $10,000 to Norm, and other Republican Senators aren't far behind. Even Republican House members like Bawlin' John Boehner are said to be throwing thousands of dollars at Norm's lawyers -- because if President Obama can get a big thing like the stimulus package through with only 58 Democrats, imagine how much easier his job gets when he has 59 of them?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Phokus
It's clearly that coleman cares more about personal power than MN's right to have representation in Congress

Yep, it's the epitome of the way this country is headed. Nobody will just concede gracefully because it's the right thing to do, they will kick, scream, and throw feces to try and get their way because they're sore losers. They could learn a lot from our grandparents' generation.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Phokus
It's clearly that coleman cares more about personal power than MN's right to have representation in Congress

Yep, it's the epitome of the way this country is headed. Nobody will just concede gracefully because it's the right thing to do, they will kick, scream, and throw feces to try and get their way because they're sore losers. They could learn a lot from our grandparents' generation.

It's not about Coleman's personal power as much as the Republican Party's ability to obstruct the Democrats, asking him to fight this out a long as he can.

It's not as if Coleman is unaware of the point above - I can't find the quote quickly, but he made this big statement about how Franken should put the state first and stop challenging the election, back when he thought he had the advantage early on, saying how his principles say to do that. The question is, will people hold the Republicans accountable?

 

[jonks]

I think the MN Supreme Court should halt any recounts and then declare Franken the winner since there won't be enough time to do any recounts because the court halted the recount.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Pawlenty should follow the rule of law and nothing else.

The worse thing he can do is certify to early and risk the legal case Coleman may have. Better to error in caution.

Trying to force Pawlenty to certify was a legal trick. Once certified and seated is there any precedent for removing a sitting certified senator? Even if the contest overturns his election? Then Franken sits back for the next 2 years in court fighting his own removal. Better to let the process sort itself out. This is what we MN's wanted so we get it.

It's amusing to see the hypocrisy of the same people who led the 'sore loser' attacks on Gore and demanded he stop his efforts to take office, and that Bush be named winner.

I joined this board in 2002.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Phokus
It's clearly that coleman cares more about personal power than MN's right to have representation in Congress

Yep, it's the epitome of the way this country is headed. Nobody will just concede gracefully because it's the right thing to do, they will kick, scream, and throw feces to try and get their way because they're sore losers. They could learn a lot from our grandparents' generation.

It's not about Coleman's personal power as much as the Republican Party's ability to obstruct the Democrats, asking him to fight this out a long as he can.

It's not as if Coleman is unaware of the point above - I can't find the quote quickly, but he made this big statement about how Franken should put the state first and stop challenging the election, back when he thought he had the advantage early on, saying how his principles say to do that. The question is, will people hold the Republicans accountable?

Really? The democrats cant get done with 58 that they can with 59?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Phokus
It's clearly that coleman cares more about personal power than MN's right to have representation in Congress

Yep, it's the epitome of the way this country is headed. Nobody will just concede gracefully because it's the right thing to do, they will kick, scream, and throw feces to try and get their way because they're sore losers. They could learn a lot from our grandparents' generation.

It's not about Coleman's personal power as much as the Republican Party's ability to obstruct the Democrats, asking him to fight this out a long as he can.

It's not as if Coleman is unaware of the point above - I can't find the quote quickly, but he made this big statement about how Franken should put the state first and stop challenging the election, back when he thought he had the advantage early on, saying how his principles say to do that. The question is, will people hold the Republicans accountable?

Really? The democrats cant get done with 58 that they can with 59?

Maybe if you would read things like I already quoted, among other commentators - you are asking something already answered, it does matter:

"The battle in Washington is real. Every day in the Senate without Al Franken is a great day," Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) recently told a Tulsa audience. Politico reported that Republicans back the idea of Coleman appealing his case indefinitely because "a long fight is worth it if it keeps Franken from becoming the 59th Senate Democrat, which would give President Barack Obama a huge advantage over the next two years."

...most of the mainstream press won't mention -- namely, that Norm Coleman is pursuing his doomed challenge to Al Franken's being seated as our newest Senator because the national Republican Party has ordered him to do so come hell or high water. NRSC fundraisers are being held constantly to feed the maw of Norm's hundred-lawyer machine; Mitch McConnell's already maxed out at $10,000 to Norm, and other Republican Senators aren't far behind. Even Republican House members like Bawlin' John Boehner are said to be throwing thousands of dollars at Norm's lawyers -- because if President Obama can get a big thing like the stimulus package through with only 58 Democrats, imagine how much easier his job gets when he has 59 of them?

 

[Andrew111]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
:thumbsup: Great news!

Not only does Franken win, but Coleman will piss away GOP money to appeal it.

Looking at Obama's current handling of the recession, everyone loses with such an unbalanced political landscape. I find it amusing you already feel confident in Obama to want to vote for him already in 2012(as your sig suggests):roll:

 

[Starbuck1975]

It's amusing to see the hypocrisy of the same people who led the 'sore loser' attacks on Gore and demanded he stop his efforts to take office, and that Bush be named winner.

It's amusing to see the hypocrisy of the same people...who cried "every vote counts" and supported Gore in his judicial challenges to the 2000 election...and are now suddenly appalled that Coleman would pursue a similar path.

This story will and probably should end on the steps of the Supreme Court.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

It's amusing to see the hypocrisy of the same people who led the 'sore loser' attacks on Gore and demanded he stop his efforts to take office, and that Bush be named winner.

It's amusing to see the hypocrisy of the same people...who cried "every vote counts" and supported Gore in his judicial challenges to the 2000 election...and are now suddenly appalled that Coleman would pursue a similar path.

This story will and probably should end on the steps of the Supreme Court.

You dishonestly represent the situation in the Franken election, predictably. There's no question who won it now. No, it's the right who are the hypocrites.

 

[ProfJohn]

Craig... have a source for your quotes??

I am sure I can come up with some that say he should keep fighting and its the right thing to do and the rule of law etc etc. Hell, if I dig enough I bet I can find someone claiming that Ron Paul actually won this race.

 

[Tab3076]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

It's amusing to see the hypocrisy of the same people who led the 'sore loser' attacks on Gore and demanded he stop his efforts to take office, and that Bush be named winner.

It's amusing to see the hypocrisy of the same people...who cried "every vote counts" and supported Gore in his judicial challenges to the 2000 election...and are now suddenly appalled that Coleman would pursue a similar path.

This story will and probably should end on the steps of the Supreme Court.

You do understand the odds against him are absurdly overwhelming.

 

[Tab3076]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Like I said, this is the ridiculous system Minnesotans decided on. We are getting what we asked.

Now, who's to say we wouldn't be complaining it we had some other system?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

It's amusing to see the hypocrisy of the same people who led the 'sore loser' attacks on Gore and demanded he stop his efforts to take office, and that Bush be named winner.

It's amusing to see the hypocrisy of the same people...who cried "every vote counts" and supported Gore in his judicial challenges to the 2000 election...and are now suddenly appalled that Coleman would pursue a similar path.

This story will and probably should end on the steps of the Supreme Court.

You dishonestly represent the situation in the Franken election, predictably. There's no question who won it now. No, it's the right who are the hypocrites.

Hahahaha,

Too bad you'll never realize how ironic and amusing your remarks are.

I should think if you wanted to be perfectly fair, as in "Gore fair', you'd allow Norm to recount votes only in the districts of his choosing (and ignore the other ones).

Fern

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

It's amusing to see the hypocrisy of the same people who led the 'sore loser' attacks on Gore and demanded he stop his efforts to take office, and that Bush be named winner.

It's amusing to see the hypocrisy of the same people...who cried "every vote counts" and supported Gore in his judicial challenges to the 2000 election...and are now suddenly appalled that Coleman would pursue a similar path.

This story will and probably should end on the steps of the Supreme Court.

I hope you mean the MN State Supreme Court.

 

[Lemon law]

If shenanigans of the Coleman variety are allowed to continue, it will backfire on the courts themselves, as courts become under increasing public pressure to get off their dead butts and rule faster. In theory, Coleman can raise one niggling objection after another for six full years.

Maybe we should allow Franken to appeal to both the MN supreme court and the US supreme courts and thus cut Coleman's niggling appeals off at the pass. And justice would be served if both supreme courts rule that Coleman has no standing to appeal to them because the recount was fairly handled to the best of human ability. And the person with the most votes won one of the closest elections in US history.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
If shenanigans of the Coleman variety are allowed to continue, it will backfire on the courts themselves, as courts become under increasing public pressure to get off their dead butts and rule faster. In theory, Coleman can raise one niggling objection after another for six full years.

Maybe we should allow Franken to appeal to both the MN supreme court and the US supreme courts and thus cut Coleman's niggling appeals off at the pass. And justice would be served if both supreme courts rule that Coleman has no standing to appeal to them because the recount was fairly handled to the best of human ability. And the person with the most votes won one of the closest elections in US history.

Honestly I think people in other states are more up in arms over this than minnesotans themselves. I dont know one person liberal or conservative who really cares. The only people who care are the kooks and whackjob extremists who see this as some kind of life or death struggle for their side. Avg people give a rats ass or find is amusing from my experience.

 

[brandonb]

I'm from Minnesota.

But I'm glad this has been tied up, and hopefully it will be tied up longer.

The longer these two dipshits running for office remain out of office, the better for us all.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Hacp
My opinion is that the courts shouldn't decide this. Since it was so close, a pistol duel is in order. The winner takes the seat.

The courts didn't decide it. The election board did a fair and impartial recount. Franken had a few hundred more votes after the process completed.

Coleman (the candidate who, after the initial election-day results were in said that Franken should immediately concede to save Minnesota voters the cost of the automatic recount) won't himself concede.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You dishonestly represent the situation in the Franken election, predictably. There's no question who won it now. No, it's the right who are the hypocrites.

If Coleman has a legitimate reason to contest the recount, it is his right to. If he believes the current rulings warrant further judicial review, he can request appeal. If a higher court decides his case is without merit, they will dismiss it.

This is the process...this is how America works...the only hypocrite in this equation is you.

Coleman (the candidate who, after the initial election-day results were in said that Franken should immediately concede to save Minnesota voters the cost of the automatic recount) won't himself concede.

This was a mistake on Coleman's part, and will not help his argument moving forward, but do you honestly think Franken would not have done the same were the shoe on the other foot? Whoever wins will do so within a razor thin margin...I wonder if the number of vote discrepancy falls within the margin of error for a recount?

The worst part of this story is that 8 years after the 2000 fiasco, we are still having such issues without election process.

 

[Fear No Evil]

I wonder how many homeless people the democrat party got to vote for Franken by offering them money or cigarettes? Probably a lot more than the margin of victory. Who needs Diebold when you can just buy votes?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I wonder how many homeless people the democrat party got to vote for Franken by offering them money or cigarettes? Probably a lot more than the margin of victory. Who needs Diebold when you can just buy votes?

QQ more.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I wonder how many homeless people the democrat party got to vote for Franken by offering them money or cigarettes? Probably a lot more than the margin of victory. Who needs Diebold when you can just buy votes?

I have to say I'm really loving the absolute meltdown that the crazy right wing has been having recently.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I wonder how many homeless people the democrat party got to vote for Franken by offering them money or cigarettes? Probably a lot more than the margin of victory. Who needs Diebold when you can just buy votes?

I'd worry more about stuffing ballot boxes. A couple of counties up in Jimmy Oberstars district counted more votes than registered voters.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I wonder how many homeless people the democrat party got to vote for Franken by offering them money or cigarettes? Probably a lot more than the margin of victory. Who needs Diebold when you can just buy votes?

I'd worry more about stuffing ballot boxes. A couple of counties up in Jimmy Oberstars district counted more votes than registered voters.

Yep - And the democrats only scream about voter fraud when a Republican wins.. A democrat wins and all of a sudden the system is so clean and honest you can't question a THING about it.