Country's Full - Trump Slams Door on Refugees

[greatnoob]

Rudi's just proclaiming the obvious, even to those apparently born to play dumb.

Amazing watching them deny what the Trump admin themselves have admitted to!

 

[ivwshane]

Some more fact checking here including several talking points trump and his knob gobblers have been repeating.

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2017/A...-the-Unit/id-ae29065a56b44e68a7706b786860019d

 

[Brainonska511]

The White House says they didn't announce the ban ahead of time because it would've given terrorists time to enter the country before a ban took effect.

I wouldn't trust the White House to tell me the color of the sky with the Orange Orangutan at the helm.

From the AP fact check posted in this thread (cerca p24):

THE FACTS: The immigration system doesn't allow the kind of "rush" Trump is describing. There are 38 countries, mostly European, whose citizens can visit the U.S. without a visa. But they must be approved for travel in advance by supplying background information to the U.S. government. Any other foreigner looking to visit or move to America for school or work has to get in line for a visa and be subjected to a variety of background checks, including reviews by federal law enforcement and intelligence. Before Trump's executive order was signed, some people were eligible to skip an in-person interview if they met a variety of requirements.

And the U.S. can always stop a foreigner from boarding a U.S.-bound flight or cancel a visa upon someone's arrival. A visa is not a guarantee that a foreigner will be allowed into the U.S.

 

[K1052]

 

[Balt]

Justice Department Won't Defend Trump's Immigration Order

Acting Attorney General Sally Yates has instructed Justice Department lawyers not to defend President Trump's executive order restricting travel and immigration from many Muslim-majority countries, telling them she is not convinced it is lawful.

Yates is a holdover from the Obama administration until Trump's nominee for attorney general, Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions, is confirmed by the Senate, which is expected to happen this week.

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/30/51253...n=politics&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews

 

[sdifox]

Are you guys ever, I mean EVER right?

I am sorry my reference to Russell from Pixar movie Up was no clear enough and made you lose it.

 

[Victorian Gray]

He was making a joke and got bitch slapped to the curb, get over it.

Someone did get slapped. It wasn't him.

 

[Ns1]

https://nyti.ms/2jP7O6l
Acting attorney general, a holdover from Obama's tenure, has ordered the Justice Department to not defend the executive order.

And in other updates, the WH tells dissenters in the State Department that if they don't like it, they can leave, even though dissenters who use official channels are protected by law from reprisals.

Guess they don't want anyone around to tell them what they don't want to hear. Get rid of the dissenters, then they can push any message they want.

Perhaps, but according to the article:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38805944

Donald Trump has fired the acting US attorney general, after she questioned the legality of his immigration ban.

Sally Yates, who had been appointed under Barack Obama, earlier ordered justice department lawyers not to enforce the president's executive order.

In a statement, the White House said Ms Yates had "betrayed" the department

Dana Boente, US attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, replaces her as acting attorney general.

 

[agent00f]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38805944

When we see this sort of shit going down in third world banana republics, this is what it feels like to be on the other end.

 

[MrSquished]

Reading some article on supporters of the ban they all echo one consistent thing - they just want immigrants from 'there' vetted.

No shit sherlock. These people go through some of the most thorough vetting available. It's like their fuhrer Trump convinced them there was no vetting going on and he is their savior.

Trumpists are fucking stupid, ignorant, and at worst, dangerous.

 

[pcgeek11]

She mentioned it in the full quote I provide you!

English! Mother fucker! Do you read it!

I stand corrected, I was wrong that she did say common market. I overlooked the "Common Market" phrase as I was a bit fixated on the most important part where she stated she wanted open borders.

Even with the common market statement in her speech in your link the common market is the first step towards a Single Market which does in fact state that it consists of an open border policy without regard to national boundaries.

A unified market is the last stage and ultimate goal of a single market. It requires the total free movement of goods, services (including financial services), capital and people without regard to national boundaries.

Now you can call me some more demeaning names and debasement.

Go.

 

[baydude]

But what about putting in a temporary ban for 90 days so there could be a more effective vetting process? Doesn't that sound like a good idea?

 

[sdifox]

But what about putting in a temporary ban for 90 days so there could be a more effective vetting process? Doesn't that sound like a good idea?

Maybe you should read the thread.

 

[ivwshane]

I stand corrected, I was wrong that she did say common market. I overlooked the "Common Market" phrase as I was a bit fixated on the most important part where she stated she wanted open borders.

Even with the common market statement in her speech in your link the common market is the first step towards a Single Market which does in fact state that it consists of an open border policy without regard to national boundaries.

A unified market is the last stage and ultimate goal of a single market. It requires the total free movement of goods, services (including financial services), capital and people without regard to national boundaries.

Now you can call me some more demeaning names and debasement.

Go.

Lol so without any supporting evidence you now claim that her support of a common market means she really wants a unified market? Lol!!

Admitting you were wrong gets you kudos, doubling down on stupid? Well lets just say any name calling isn't unwarranted.

 

[ivwshane]

Maybe you should read the thread.

Only if you can condense it into a 140 character summary or use their more preferred method of information intake, a picture with catchy text on it.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

ivwshane, please respond to my earlier post if you're going to continue on this argument:

Because if a person working for the Clinton campaign provides an explanation for a controversial statement of Clinton's, that person can obviously be trusted.

The quote can be found here, not only lacking earlier context of being about energy, but listed under a "Pro-Free Trade" header, explicitly provided as an example of an HRC statement that needed "an extra scrub". Enjoy your PolitiFakenews.

 

[ivwshane]

ivwshane, please respond to my earlier post if you're going to continue on this argument:

I did respond. What part are you having trouble with? I've already linked the full quote and I also included a definition of the phrasing she used.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I did respond. What part are you having trouble with? I've already linked the full quote and I also included a definition of the phrasing she used.

Did you respond to my specific post? I used the thread's search function and didn't find it. I see your response to pcgeek1 about the meaning of "common market" but don't see how in any way that is supposed to be specific to energy. Just because the dictionary/Wikipedia definition of "common market" is less open than that of "unified market" doesn't nullify everything else she said.

"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere."

If "open borders" are something that go beyond the aforementioned "common market", then obviously she wasn't talking about the exact dictionary definition. I don't see the energy relevance of that portion.

 

[pcgeek11]

Lol so without any supporting evidence you now claim that her support of a common market means she really wants a unified market? Lol!!

Admitting you were wrong gets you kudos, doubling down on stupid? Well lets just say any name calling isn't unwarranted.

From your link it says that the Common Market is the first step to a singular market. Your link not mine. That and the fact that she distinctly stated "open trade and open borders".

Open Border: An open border is a border that enables free movement of people between different jurisdictions with limited or no restrictions on movement, that is to say lacking substantive border control.

I did make a mistake... we all do, even you. We both know what she said. Of course you will never admit it.

If you are triggered to call me names I really don't care if that is what it takes for you to feel like you are a man, so be it. That is an internal issue within yourself, not my problem.

Be my guest.

 

[brycejones]

Another thread about actions Trump has taken devolving into a thread about things Hillary said. Guess some people just can't accept Trump is the President now. 🙂

 

[Victorian Gray]

Another thread about actions Trump has taken devolving into a thread about things Hillary said. Guess some people just can't accept Trump is the President now. 🙂

To certain types of modern conservative it's always about yesterday.

 

[zinfamous]

But what about putting in a temporary ban for 90 days so there could be a more effective vetting process? Doesn't that sound like a good idea?

what is your 90 days going to do that the current 18-24 months didn't already do?

You know that was already policy, right? You know that is a fact, right? Did you actually believe that scary brown people just boarded planes, unloaded, and took a cab straight to Toledo, Ohio before Hair Fuhrer showed up and "made things happen?"

There is no guidance in any of these orders. There is no real "Vetting" happening when the order simply says prevent, detain, hold. No agency that is responsible for implementing as-yet-nonexisting orders knows what they need to be doing for this new "extreme vetting," because those details don't exist.

This is what gross incompetence looks like. Get used to it.

 

[brycejones]

But what about putting in a temporary ban for 90 days so there could be a more effective vetting process? Doesn't that sound like a good idea?

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states

Please show how the current vetting process has failed. The process linked above takes 18-24 months.

 

[zinfamous]

Our University president is pretty awesome. Just sent out a letter, only a week after sending a letter that squashed those ridiculous demands from conservative right-wing religious nut students (that had its own thread here in P&N, and I posted the text of that response there. BTW--those students were Christian and Islamic nutcase extremists--not something discussed in that thread. Christians and Islamists alike were offended by gay people walking around, so demanded that such displays be removed or banned as fixed ornaments on campus or from individual humans. So, fucking religious sociopaths....).

Anyhoo, here is his response to the new Bannon Gestapo via King Orange decree:

January 31, 2017


Dear University of Maryland community,


As a public institution, the University of Maryland does not normally take stands on political issues. However, we have an obligation to speak out when government actions are fundamentally antithetical to the core values and missions of the institution, especially when they adversely impact many members of our community.


Such is now the case with two presidential executive actions. On January 27, 2017 an executive order ("Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the U.S.") banned temporarily the entry into the U.S. of individuals of seven mostly Muslim nations, among other actions. We recognize that a strengthened visa process is important to our nation's security. But this executive order poses human, moral, and constitutional dilemmas.


Over the weekend, I released a public statement expressing UMD's deep concern and emphatic support for all those affected. We must remain true to our bedrock values of diversity and inclusion, tolerance and intellectual freedom. These are hallmarks of our democracy as well. It is in our national interest to welcome talented persons of all nations to study, teach, and do research here and enhance America's global leadership in higher education.


The statement is at: https://umdrightnow.umd.edu/news/umd-response-executive-order


On our campus, this executive order affects some 350 people. Most of them are graduate students, post-doctoral researchers, and visiting scholars. They are essential to UMD's research mission. They are members of our campus family.


To all of you, we pledge our full support. This University is your University. You belong here. We stand with you.


The Office of International Student and Scholar Services (ISSS) continues to assess the impacts of this executive order and to lead our support effort:


* To date, we know of one graduate student whose return to the U.S. has been blocked. There are possibly three others. We are trying to intervene on their behalf.

* A visiting professor from abroad has informed us that he will not be coming to UMD to teach as a personal protest of the executive action, even though this professor is not subject to the ban.

* If you know of other campus-related persons from one of these countries who is now unable to return, please contact Susan Dougherty, the Director of ISSS, at sdougher@umd.edu.

* ISSS advises those affected by this executive order to defer any travel abroad. Please meet with ISSS staff before planning such travel.

* Additional campus resources available are UMD's Faculty-Staff Assistance Program, Counseling Services, Graduate Legal Aid, Undergraduate Legal Aid, Campus Chaplains, and the Office of Diversity and Inclusion.


Members of our community also are concerned about an executive order issued on January 25, 2017 ("Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the U.S."). It prioritizes the deportation of the undocumented who have engaged in criminal offenses or other wrongdoing. It directs federal agencies to "ensure that jurisdictions that fail to comply with federal immigration law do not receive federal funds."


This order does not remove uncertainties for students here under the state's Dream Act ("Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors") or on DACA status ("Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals"), even though they are law-abiding since this is a condition for selection to these programs.


Last fall, I stated UMD's unwavering support for these students. Today, I reaffirm that support for our 20 "Maryland dreamers" and the more than 100 DACA students. We will provide you with all available protections under the law and in accordance with the guidance provided by the State Attorney General:


* We will not release information on immigration status of our students, unless required by law.

* We will not share student information with Immigration and Custom Enforcement (ICE) officials without a court order.

* We will not permit ICE officials to enter campus buildings to search for undocumented persons, unless they have a warrant or absent exigent circumstances.

* UMD police will not partner with ICE officials to assist with immigration enforcement activities.

* UMD police will not detain, question, or arrest any individual solely on the basis of his or her undocumented status.


A website with information on available resources is here: http://undocumented.umd.edu/


As a member of the Association of American Universities, UMD has joined the AAU in advocating for the Bridge Act ("Bar Removal of Individuals Who Dream and Grow our Economy"), a bipartisan bill in Congress that provides protection for undocumented youth should DACA be discontinued.


The implementation of these executive orders is in flux. We will keep you updated on future changes.


Working with higher education associations such as the AAU and with elected leaders, we will continue to press the case before the new Administration for why the research university -- with its values and missions -- is essential to the future of our nation.


We are in this together.


Sincerely,


Wallace D. Loh
President

Bannon has written off 350 of our employees and students in one night. That's one university. Or one company. Or one entity, however you want to define it.

 

[HomerJS]

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states

Please show how the current vetting process has failed. The process linked above takes 18-24 months.

Several people including my self have asked the same question. I'll try again.

Hey all your Trump supporters what are the shortcomings of the current system? How has the current system failed??