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Country's Full - Trump Slams Door on Refugees

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brycejones said:
The SCOTUS has never invalidated a law passed by Congress as being unconstitutional? Really? Your mental decline must be accelerating. Your family should start looking at memory care homes quickly.

BTW a source for you:

http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/046-acts-of-congress-held-unconstitutional.html

You can scroll through the list going back to 1789.
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Conservatives forget sometimes that SCOTUS exists or, at best, they actually don't understand its only mandate.
 
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compuwiz1 said:
He's got the authority to do it under 1952 immigration act.
There is nothing unconstitutional in temporarily barring certain people, from terrorist hotbeds, where there is potential for radicals to slip through the cracks and harm us. Our constitution applies to our residents, in our country. We don't owe outside countries residence here. Immigration is a privilege and one that can be regulated,and rightfully so. If immigrants can't be vetted adequately, they don't get in. I'm good with that. I just don't think he applied the order broadly enough. I didn't see Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.
This is temporary.

I don't understand why some of you seem to want them here so badly. I'd rather our safety first until we can know for sure who we're getting.
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It's interesting that you say he has the authority under the 1952 Immigration Act while ignoring that Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 which specifically banned discrimination on the basis of national origin.

https://nyti.ms/2kcULPH
 
K1052 said:
There are reports of green card holders being detained or refused entry to the US if they are from one of the countries on the list. Border security seems to be conducting ad hoc interrogations of some of them without any guidance.

And this particular gem regarding a former Army interpreter who worked for the US over 10 years and has a family here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/...prod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share
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That is a good thing though, no not the being detained part, but the beginning of what I suspect will be an army of lawyers challenging this.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
That is a good thing though, no not the being detained part, but the beginning of what I suspect will be an army of lawyers challenging this.
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It's great that there are lawyers to challenge it, but the wheels of justice often turn slowly and in the meantime, real people will be hurt by the ban.
 
He did what he promised to do, his voters are OK with it, and what's the complaint... ? Syrians got sh** deal. Yep, they had it for a long time... and US is to blame for that at least partially.

Remember that Obama decided that "Assad must go" in 2011 and "we'll support "moderate" Syrian opposition", hence the long fruitless civil war. Obama's picking a side in civil war conflict was source of this mess. Trump's signing the executive order is just the consequence.
 
Bad move, should have verified screening process and made adjustments if required. If no adjustments were required, proceeded with the status quo for screening refugees.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
Bad move, should have verified screening process and made adjustments if required. If no adjustments were required, proceeded with the status quo for screening refugees.
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David Brooks made a comment last night on Newshour that is probably going to be overlooked, and is probably just based on assumption, but he mentioned that "trump is essentially signing papers written by Bannon and whoever," ...which is probably somewhat likely. The EOs that he has signed so far seem to be aimed at display more than actual legislation, so I wonder what kind of thought was actually put into them before they came across chief Orangeman's desk? We know that Trump really does not read anything (He couldn't be bothered to read a single page on a lease agreement for his properties ahead of a deposition last year), so it would surprise me if he ever read any of the text of things that he has been signing. Notice that, not once, whenever he is speaking in public, does he ever point out the details of any policy that he is proposing. Not once.

You're right. All of this stuff is completely half-baked, and it seems to be that way due to the desperate rush to "appear presidential" but also, what worries me: so that Bannon and Preibus and whoever can just push through whatever acts and laws they want., because they know that Donald will just sign it without reading, as long as he can get some video clips of signing paper.

This is the danger of an unengaged puppet in power.

The text of these EO is published, right?
 
Brainonska511 said:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/text-of-trump-executive-order-nation-ban-refugees/

(but maybe that's not it, since it's fake news /s)
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But every EO gets posted to, say, Whitehouse.gov or wherever as soon as they are signed, right? Or does the public just need to assume that King Toad is always right?

I just realized something: skimming through those sections, wording like "Secretary of State, in recommendation of Secretary of Homeland Security, shall issue a list of countries..." etc etc.

How do EOs like this work when you don't actually have the people and/or departments in place to issue those recommendations? What if It gives immediate power to people and departments that don't currently exist? Those two dudes are there, but they don't currently have a staffed department, do they?

welcome to the shitshow!
 
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Even Green Card holders are getting banned, if they were unfortunate enough to be out of the country at the time. Jesus H Christ.
 
NTMBK said:
Even Green Card holders are getting banned, if they were unfortunate enough to be out of the country at the time. Jesus H Christ.
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This is what incompetence looks like, at least as a start. From what I've read he isn't running these orders past the relevant agencies that have to enforce them and he isn't even consulting his legal team to see if they are in fact legal. He's just signing them without thinking of the consequences.

Even a minimally competent person should have realized the EO should go into effect in a few days or something so people in mid flight aren't trapped or so green card holders can make arrangements.

This guy is in so far over his head it's not even funny.
 
fskimospy said:
This is what incompetence looks like, at least as a start. From what I've read he isn't running these orders past the relevant agencies that have to enforce them and he isn't even consulting his legal team to see if they are in fact legal. He's just signing them without thinking of the consequences.

Even a minimally competent person should have realized the EO should go into effect in a few days or something so people in mid flight aren't trapped or so green card holders can make arrangements.

This guy is in so far over his head it's not even funny.
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What happens if Melania heads over to Slovenia or wherever in the next week(s)? Is she detained trying to re-enter?
 
fskimospy said:
This is what incompetence looks like, at least as a start. From what I've read he isn't running these orders past the relevant agencies that have to enforce them and he isn't even consulting his legal team to see if they are in fact legal. He's just signing them without thinking of the consequences.

Even a minimally competent person should have realized the EO should go into effect in a few days or something so people in mid flight aren't trapped or so green card holders can make arrangements.

This guy is in so far over his head it's not even funny.
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This is the guy in charge of a nuclear arsenal capable of wiping out human civilisation.
 
A number of Google employees are not going to be allowed back into the country.

I wonder if there are problems Google could make for this administration...
 
I saw a news report this morning but haven't been able to find a link of him reading the first part of the executive order. It almost comes across as he is seeing it for the first time. After he reads the first sentence or two he says "good stuff".
 
Mai72 said:
I worry more about..

Heart Diseas
Cancer
Diabities
Drunk Drivers

Those four have killed more Americans than any terrorist attack that I can remember.

Oh yes,

Columbine
Sandy Hook
Aurora
McDonalds Massacre
Ludy Massacre
Church Massacre

Oh and,

Zoloft
Prosac
Clonzapam
Oxycodone
Xanex

The Pharmaceutical industry has killed more Americans than everything I men
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Medical errors kill 250,000 Americans per year according to a John Hopkins study.
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ertificates-undercount-toll-of-medical-errors
 
Paratus said:
But don't forget what weve gained. Cowards across the country right now are no longer shitting thier pants with the same frequency when thinking about terrorism.

Isn't that worth dropping our countries ideals, harming real people and making us all less safe?
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Careful, someone might take you seriously, and try to twist it.

There are a lot of false patriots lurking about.
 
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