counter strike: Any good or a noob shooter?

[railer]

I've been playing Q3 forever......and just got into UT2004. Love em both.
I've been trying to get into CSS and the original CS since they came out......and I can't. Seems to me like there is much less skill involved in CSS, or, maybe I just suck? But since I'm pretty good at Q3 and UT, I have my doubts about that. What's everybody think? Seems like some 5 year old is shooting me 3 times and killimg me in CSS, while I then have to wait 5 minutes to get back in. There's no timimg weapons like the RL, or no quick reflex weapons like the Rail, it's all just heavy MG where a couple shots kill you.

 

[Schadenfroh]

CS = 10% skill, 5% money, 85% Bull sh!t

 

[mundane]

I'd hardly call some of those players n00bs - fanatics is more like it. Some of them have been playing constantly for the past five years or so. It becomes very difficult for a new player (myself) to get into the game without being chewed to pieces. I'll stick to ET.

 

[GZDonner]

I think it really depends on your playing style. I used to be a diehard CS fanatic and i couldnt play Q3 or UT to save my life. Even though you'd think "oh, first person shooter.. if you're good at one you're good at all". The only thing FPS games have in common is the skill at which it takes to point the mouse. (i didnt say clicking it though)

 

[thelanx]

CS is a very different game in terms of aiming and movement dynamics. There is a huge movement penalty, and huge spread, which is probably why you are having lots of trouble. You just have to get used to it, and then you'll appreciate the skill required. Of course, because of such complicated dynamics, you will see some bs happening sometimes.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
CS = 10% skill, 5% money, 85% Bull sh!t

LMAO classic

 

[EpsiIon]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
CS = 10% skill, 5% money, 85% Bull sh!t

LMAO classic

Classicly stupid garbage, yeah. The game's all about precision. Spray and pray only works on newbie maps and when you accidentally run into a crowd of enemies. Even then, if they're on their toes, you're gone.

If you can get a hold of some of the clan tournament demos, they can be pretty impressive. In pubbies, the best players have a lot of skill and dominate. The others run around and enjoy getting the occasional lucky kill.

EDIT: What thelanx said. It's been a while since I actually played, so I overlooked the movement aspect of the game. It's amazingly important.

 

[Sniper82]

The skill needed depends alot on the situation. If someone is a good distance off and is moving you have to burst fire and follow him and sometimes its still hard. If a newb came in and tried to kill someone from a distance and didn't use burst they would die quickly. Now if your in close-mid combat range they can just spray all over the place and most the time this is the best thing to do. Thats when more luck is involved.

Guessing I would say:
close range 20-25% skill and the rest luck
mid range 45-50% skill and the rest luck
far range 60-65% skill and the rest luck

Alot of luck is required regardless but above is how I feel about the game. I know when I first started playing back when it first came out for HL I sucked bad and it took me at least a month or longer of hard playing before I could hold my own. But I quit for a few years and am now playing Source. One thing I have noticed when I came back is I can be doing bad(2 kill 8 deaths) and by just choosing the right weapon that sometimes changes from that to 20+ kills 12+ deaths. Also on one server/map one gun works great for me but on another server/map it sometimes sucks for me and I have to buy a few different weapons before I can find one that does good for me.

 

[Cawchy87]

When I first started I couldn't hit anything long range, it would take a full clip. But now I can take the person down in 5 shots depending on the circumstances. Long range takes a lot more skill.

 

[Malak]

Your poll is worthless. UT and Q3 do not require skill. I played a guy who was really good at Q3, could beat anyone else in my college class no sweat. I on the other hand play skillfull games. I played against him in Q3 and beat him. I never played Q3. Brought him into one of my games, and PWNED HIS ASS. UT and Q3 are easy.

 

[Sniper82]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos
Your poll is worthless. UT and Q3 do not require skill. I played a guy who was really good at Q3, could beat anyone else in my college class no sweat. I on the other hand play skillfull games. I played against him in Q3 and beat him. I never played Q3. Brought him into one of my games, and PWNED HIS ASS. UT and Q3 are easy.

What skillful games do you play exactly? If you don't play FPS's much and can hand someone their A$$ that plays FPS'ers alot you my friend are talented. Either that or the dude that plays alot is just a slow learner.

Then again he could have sucked along with everyone else in your college class.

 

[jimithing2077]

I'd say that it will take a while to master the way that CSS is played. It took me maybe a year or two before I mastered the crouch+jump technique and was able to always be checking my back and realizing what I had to do.

I just got my roomate into CS:S and it amazes me at how horrid he is at playing it. He comes from playing the line of UT and I find it pretty cool how he sits there and reminds me of exactly how badly I use to suck. And I'll sit there and tell him to never cross a corridor w/o looking both ways and how he should always check his back when moving across large areas...how he needs to learn how to crouch+jump around corners and how you have to master kneeling and shooting.

Id say that CS:S takes a lot of dedication. To some it may seem like luck, I think its a great deal of skill. I myself am usually in the top 3 within 20 mins of joining a server, and usually can hold myself up in the #1 spot for quite some time. But I've also been playing since 0.7 days

Look for me as SiLeNT_AsSaSSiN

 

[Chompman]

The problem with cs is there are to many hacks on most servers that it's pointless playing on pubs.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: ^Sniper^
What skillful games do you play exactly? If you don't play FPS's much and can hand someone their A$$ that plays FPS'ers alot you my friend are talented. Either that or the dude that plays alot is just a slow learner.

Then again he could have sucked along with everyone else in your college class.

I play FPS's daily, ever since the genre was created. If an FPS is challenging to me, then it definitely requires skill. CS:S so far has been the most challenging FPS I have played. Quake3 bored me.

 

[mb]

I used to play CSS daily for months, then I just stopped and haven't touched it in a long time.

 

[railer]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos
Your poll is worthless. UT and Q3 do not require skill. I played a guy who was really good at Q3, could beat anyone else in my college class no sweat. I on the other hand play skillfull games. I played against him in Q3 and beat him. I never played Q3. Brought him into one of my games, and PWNED HIS ASS. UT and Q3 are easy.

ROFL. Either you are a liar, or your friend is retarded. If you "never played" Q3, then you definately did not beat someone who was really good. That's just stupid. Where's the ignore button around here anyway? :roll:

 

[Sentrosi2121]

Tribes > All other shooters.

I'm talking about the Original Tribes and T2 before the mega patch.

You not only have to worry about people on the ground, but flying above shooting down onto you.

Any other ATers miss the old Tribes and T2 games? I sure do.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: railer
ROFL. Either you are a liar, or your friend is retarded. If you "never played" Q3, then you definately did not beat someone who was really good. That's just stupid. Where's the ignore button around here anyway? :roll:

I could beat you, I have no doubt about it. Q3 requires zero skill compared to a game like CS:S.

 

[railer]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: railer
ROFL. Either you are a liar, or your friend is retarded. If you "never played" Q3, then you definately did not beat someone who was really good. That's just stupid. Where's the ignore button around here anyway? :roll:

I could beat you, I have no doubt about it. Q3 requires zero skill compared to a game like CS:S.

That's not what the consensus is so far...cs noob.

Spoken like a true noob. Could your dad beat up my dad too? .
You wouldn't "never play" any game ever created, and then beat someoen who was good at it, noob. Now go back and play all the 5 year olds at CS......

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: railer
That's not what the consensus is so far...cs noob.

Consensus? It's 50/50 right now son. I am not a cs noob, in fact I never played CS until CS:S, and I have played just about everything else out there too. I am far from noob, and have proven myself in every game I've played. I'm talented, naturally. Not the best, but it doesn't take me long to figure a game out.

Have you ever played CS? It sounds like you haven't. I fail to see how shooting rockets at each other is skill while actually aiming a gun at certain parts of a person's body isn't

If you are going to sling around the names, at least come from a non-noob standpoint. You don't have the experience to come at me in any conversation pertaining to this genre.

 

[xSkyDrAx]

I agree that it games like q3/ut takes quite a lot of skill (in terms of reflex and reaction) as if you were playing someone good, they'd raped 10 times over before you hit the floor and you might get the occassional lucky kill. Same goes for Cs but Cs is a more slowly paced game and requires more patience.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos
Your poll is worthless. UT and Q3 do not require skill. I played a guy who was really good at Q3, could beat anyone else in my college class no sweat. I on the other hand play skillfull games. I played against him in Q3 and beat him. I never played Q3. Brought him into one of my games, and PWNED HIS ASS. UT and Q3 are easy.

Ahahahahahaha! :laugh:

OMG so funny :roll:

 

[40Hands]

Originally posted by: railer
I've been playing Q3 forever......and just got into UT2004. Love em both.
I've been trying to get into CSS and the original CS since they came out......and I can't. Seems to me like there is much less skill involved in CSS, or, maybe I just suck? But since I'm pretty good at Q3 and UT, I have my doubts about that. What's everybody think? Seems like some 5 year old is shooting me 3 times and killimg me in CSS, while I then have to wait 5 minutes to get back in. There's no timimg weapons like the RL, or no quick reflex weapons like the Rail, it's all just heavy MG where a couple shots kill you.

Uhh scout/awp??

I like both types of games but saying that CS is a noob shooter, that just shows how much of a noob you are. Awww you have to wait till the round is over after you die. You wouldn't have that problem if you were skilled enough to stay alive.

Gota love the people who suck and automatically denounce it as a noob game thats all about luck when they don't know how to play. If you try to play CS like you play quake/unreal, you will get owned. End of story.

 

[Sniper82]

Originally posted by: BroeBo

Originally posted by: railer
I've been playing Q3 forever......and just got into UT2004. Love em both.
I've been trying to get into CSS and the original CS since they came out......and I can't. Seems to me like there is much less skill involved in CSS, or, maybe I just suck? But since I'm pretty good at Q3 and UT, I have my doubts about that. What's everybody think? Seems like some 5 year old is shooting me 3 times and killimg me in CSS, while I then have to wait 5 minutes to get back in. There's no timimg weapons like the RL, or no quick reflex weapons like the Rail, it's all just heavy MG where a couple shots kill you.

Uhh scout/awp??

I like both types of games but saying that CS is a noob shooter, that just shows how much of a noob you are. Awww you have to wait till the round is over after you die. You wouldn't have that problem if you were skilled enough to stay alive.

Gota love the people who suck and automatically denounce it as a noob game thats all about luck when they don't know how to play. If you try to play CS like you play quake/unreal, you will get owned. End of story.

True

I've also noticed after playing CS:S for a few weeks and then going to play some UT2004 it seems alot easier. Seems like I get better once I go back to UT2004. Just the other night I got tired of CS:S lockups and decided to play some UT2004 seemed easier.

 

[Smilin]

I got fairly decent at CS and UT, but my favorite has always been games from id.. Q1,Q2,Q3.

CS takes some aiming, teamplay/tactical skills but the realism that the game tries to achieve leaves it with no "moving" skills. Under Q3/UT a rocket fight in an complicated map area is 1/2 aiming and one half defensive ballet. You'll never find that in CS. You'll also never find that extra level of shooting skill required when presented with a combo of railguns, rocket launchers and plasma guns. Each has a strength and weakness depending on the circumstances and good players will often switch in the middle of a fight.

This UT/CS/Q3 argument reminds me of the bickering in the armed forces. All branches have a different opinion about who is the best (them) but they all agree on who the pussy is..the Air Force.

CS is weak. Always has been.


As for what is the best "noob" shooter I would say UT. It will take just as much skill to master as Q3 but the gameplay is more rewarding initially. I think you'll get your @ss pwned in UT, CS and Q3 for a long time but it will be more rewarding while it's happening if you are playing UT.