Couldn't you just get on an unsecure wireless connection to DL warez and kiddy pr0n?

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: jumpr
Um, they likely log MAC addresses connected to their network for this very purpose.

If everything goes through your router, then they'll see your router's MAC and _not_ the MAC address of the machine that did the actual downloading though, right?

ZV

 

[bex0rs]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: jumpr
Um, they likely log MAC addresses connected to their network for this very purpose.

If everything goes through your router, then they'll see your router's MAC and _not_ the MAC address of the machine that did the actual downloading though, right?

ZV

Nope. MAC address logging is pointless, as the only MAC address the people who run the server will see is that of the server's gateway.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: bex0rs

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: jumpr
Um, they likely log MAC addresses connected to their network for this very purpose.

If everything goes through your router, then they'll see your router's MAC and _not_ the MAC address of the machine that did the actual downloading though, right?

ZV

Nope. MAC address logging is pointless, as the only MAC address the people who run the server will see is that of the server's gateway.

Which is the router... so Zen is correct, they'll see the router MAC, not the actual downloader's MAC

 

[bex0rs]

Originally posted by: Hardcore

Originally posted by: bex0rs

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: jumpr
Um, they likely log MAC addresses connected to their network for this very purpose.

If everything goes through your router, then they'll see your router's MAC and _not_ the MAC address of the machine that did the actual downloading though, right?

ZV

Nope. MAC address logging is pointless, as the only MAC address the people who run the server will see is that of the server's gateway.

Which is the router... so Zen is correct, they'll see the router MAC, not the actual downloader's MAC

The remote server could log the router's _IP_ address, not its MAC address. The wireless router's MAC address is effectively "stripped" once packets hit the ISP's gateway. At the remote end, the only MAC address the server sees is that of its gateway.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: bex0rs

Originally posted by: Hardcore

Originally posted by: bex0rs

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: jumpr
Um, they likely log MAC addresses connected to their network for this very purpose.

If everything goes through your router, then they'll see your router's MAC and _not_ the MAC address of the machine that did the actual downloading though, right?

ZV

Nope. MAC address logging is pointless, as the only MAC address the people who run the server will see is that of the server's gateway.

Which is the router... so Zen is correct, they'll see the router MAC, not the actual downloader's MAC

The remote server could log the router's _IP_ address, not its MAC address. The wireless router's MAC address is effectively "stripped" once packets hit the ISP's gateway. At the remote end, the only MAC address the server sees is that of its gateway.

Well the ISP will have it.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: Aimster
What happens if you go on a newsgroup server and some Ahole decides to upload his collection of kiddy porn there and you click on one not knowing what it is?

You scream "EWWW!" and delete it. Really, the only reason these lowlifes are caught is because they collect the stuff.

 

[EyeMWing]

Every intentionally open network that I've seen features a recockulous firewall at the least, and more often than not, a content filter. Wardriving in an apartment complex, however, is another matter altogether, since 99.9999999999% of the time you can set the firewall and port forwarding rules due to the default logins.

 

[OverVolt]

Why are you trying to download kiddie porn, pedophile...

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: OverVolt
Why are you trying to download kiddie porn, pedophile...

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: OverVolt
Why are you trying to download kiddie porn, pedophile...

Is kiddie porn ok if you're under 18?

 

[SuperFreaky]

I remember a case in England a few years ago about a guy who had porn (or something illegal) on his computer and his defense was that he a trojan virus and was not the one who put the files there. They found evidence of a trojan and he got off.

moral: Just have a few trojans on you pc and you can d/l whatever you want?

 

[aplefka]

It makes sense. I know at the Minneapolis/St Paul airport there was free wireless all over, and I know in SF at SBC Park there's free wireless all over. Just go to the baseball game, watch the Giants for 3 hours, and enjoy your new movie when you get home.

 

[bernse]

Originally posted by: TerryMathews

Originally posted by: Hardcore

Originally posted by: WhiteKnight

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
The burden would be on you to prove that the downloading had been done by someone other than yourself. And good luck doing that.

ZV

It seems to me that unless they can prove that you are guilty of the dl then they've got nothing. Guilty until proven innocent? I don't think so.

The problem is that these are not criminally charges that these downloaders are being charged with... these are simply threats by the RIAA or MPAA, and the only thing they can do is a civil suit... but most people get so scared that they don't even bother fighting it.

Right, and in a civil suit, the burden isn't "no reasonable doubt", it's "more likely than not".

Depends on the Judge and how good the lawyer is. A decent lawyer would be able to spin that into a more than credible defence.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: Supercharged

Originally posted by: OverVolt
Why are you trying to download kiddie porn, pedophile...

Is kiddie porn ok if you're under 18?

No.

 

[DrPizza]

Anyone consider yet that perhaps the OP is asking because he wants to make sure there's no way he'll get caught?

 

[bernse]

Is all discussion on the Internet going to cease just because "someone" might use info for bad intentions?

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Anyone consider yet that perhaps the OP is asking because he wants to make sure there's no way he'll get caught?

:roll:

Yeah that's why I asked the question from the coffee shop down the street...

I got curious because when I moved in here I thought it'd be pretty handy if I could piggy back on someone's wireless connection and not have to pay $50 a month for cable internet. But have higher morals than that.

I bought a wireless router and pc card, but the pc card wouldn't be in for a couple of weeks. So I just hooked the router up to make sure it would work and plugged my pc into a lan port. So for a couple of weeks there anyone could have been using mine. I have it secured now, not broadcasting, etc.

Then the thread on here about the guy's friend getting sued by Time Warner. Would just make sense for the guy to do his downloading in the parking lot at the public library.

 

[neonerd]

I've used my neighbor's unsecured internet connection before

not for any kind of pr0n, just for warez and stuff

 

[Slickone]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Supercharged
Is kiddie porn ok if you're under 18?

No.

Heh. Why not? Good question.

So according to your logic, would two young kids playing uh, 'doctor' be against the law? Or is that just for looking at pictures?

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
I bought a wireless router and pc card, but the pc card wouldn't be in for a couple of weeks. So I just hooked the router up to make sure it would work and plugged my pc into a lan port. So for a couple of weeks there anyone could have been using mine.

So you didn't notice me downloading movies and junk from your connection?

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: neonerd
I've used my neighbor's unsecured internet connection before

not for any kind of pr0n, just for warez and stuff

omgyoulowlife

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Slickone

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Supercharged
Is kiddie porn ok if you're under 18?

No.

Heh. Why not? Good question.

Because 1) he asked under 18... a 17 year old looking at porn of a 7 year old is sick (sick in the sense that it's not good, not in the negro term where it's cool).

2) i don't care if you're 10 or 17, looking at kiddie porn of a 5 year old girl sucking on a grown man's penis is sick.

3) because whoever took the kiddie porn, took advantage of that kid.

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: Hardcore

Originally posted by: Slickone

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Supercharged
Is kiddie porn ok if you're under 18?

No.

Heh. Why not? Good question.

Because 1) he asked under 18... a 17 year old looking at porn of a 7 year old is sick (sick in the sense that it's not good, not in the negro term where it's cool).

2) i don't care if you're 10 or 17, looking at kiddie porn of a 5 year old girl sucking on a grown man's penis is sick.

3) because whoever took the kiddie porn, took advantage of that kid.

Wouldn't a naked 17 y/o be kiddie porn too? Who said 5 year olds.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Supercharged

Originally posted by: Hardcore

Originally posted by: Slickone

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Supercharged
Is kiddie porn ok if you're under 18?

No.

Heh. Why not? Good question.

Because 1) he asked under 18... a 17 year old looking at porn of a 7 year old is sick (sick in the sense that it's not good, not in the negro term where it's cool).

2) i don't care if you're 10 or 17, looking at kiddie porn of a 5 year old girl sucking on a grown man's penis is sick.

3) because whoever took the kiddie porn, took advantage of that kid.

Wouldn't a naked 17 y/o be kiddie porn too? Who said 5 year olds.

Kiddie porn? When i think of 'kiddies', i think of pre-pubescent.