Could this mean the right is waking up to the world is changing?

Moonbeam

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Sadly, conservatives have gay children. Some of them can't be cured. Some of them are not able to repress it. As the advantages of using Biblical fear and loathing of homosexuals wanes under reality and charges of bigotry, conservatives with gay family members have to adjust to reality or die of shame. Slowly but slowly the advantages of hate mongering give way to the bill one accrues from filling ones heart with hate. The illusion that one can hate the sin and not the sinner gives way to the realization that the illusion of a distinction is impossible to maintain.

All conservatives are yesterday's liberals and tomorrows extinct primitives.
 

Lemon law

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An openly gay LT. Governor can be accepted in Liberal states, but could it be accepted in a red red State without creating a GOP schism?
 

QuantumPion

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If he is for smaller government and lowering taxes then I could care less what he puts up his bum.
 

PJABBER

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If he is for smaller government and lowering taxes then I could care less what he puts up his bum.

ROFLMAO!

QFT!

I just logged in to kill some time over lunch and you guys just have to stop being so funny as I'm sippin my double espresso. I nearly spewed it through my nose!
 

brblx

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when i saw peejabber had replied, i figured it would be a pasted in five page article about how to keep from catching the gay...
 

Genx87

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If Republicans stood for their core principles of smaller govt then being gay wouldnt be an issue at all.
 

BoberFett

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too bad their core principle of pandering to bible thumpers gets in the way.

Fixed.

Republicans at the top level couldn't care less about religion. It's the pandering to religious zealots that keeps them rolling in cash.
 

PJABBER

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I love all the dishonesty and mischaracterization liberals resort to when they put their blinders on every morning. It is so telling.

Liberals and "progressives" check out everyone's race, religion, sexual predilections, economic class, place of birth and political party affiliation. They never even try at color blindness or the liberty and freedom for all thing, not at all.

And then they accuse the conservatives, of all people, of being as much profilers as they are.

You guys really need to lighten up and let people live without trying to paint everyone the same. We classical liberals, for example, really like being free from your prejudices! Please don't impose them on us like some petty little dictator!

FWIW, I was really proud that George Bush was the ONLY President to seriously fight AIDS, which, surprise, surprise, has decimated the homosexual, African and African American communities.

From a liberal rag, Vanderbilt's Orbis, published with generous support from Campus Progress / Center for American Progress -

http://media.www.vanderbiltorbis.co...eorge.Bushs.AidsFighting.Legacy-3578911.shtml

George Bush's AIDS-fighting legacy
Despite some flaws, PEPFAR was a great program
By: Nakul Shekhawat
ORBIS 12/10/08

President Bush's overall legacy may be controversial, but one product of his presidency has garnered significant praise from both sides of the aisle. Thanks to the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR), Bush has been able to fundamentally change American and global thinking about the scale of international health funding.

Announced in early 2003, PEPFAR aimed to treat two million people, prevent seven million new infections, and support HIV/AIDS care for 10 million people. PEPFAR especially focused on fifteen countries (twelve of which are in sub-Saharan Africa) with the most troubling HIV/AIDS statistics. The plan has already committed $19 billion to HIV/AIDS prevention & treatment, making it the largest international health initiative directed towards a single disease.

So far, PEPFAR has granted life-saving antiretroviral treatment to 2.1 million people and has prevented nearly 240,000 babies from acquiring HIV via mother-to-child transmission. In some cases, the effects have been transformational. In Rwanda, only four percent of AIDS patients received drugs in 2003. Within four years, that statistic shot up to 92 percent. In Uganda, the number of people receiving treatment has increased by 100,000 while over 1.5 million more people receive HIV testing annually.

Of course, PEPFAR has not been devoid of its share of controversy. When the plan was first passed, President Bush favored the use of costly brand-name medications instead of generic drugs, even going so far as to block use of the inexpensive option. Since then, the Food and Drug Administration has approved a generic antiretroviral drug, but PEPFAR has continued to purchase mostly brand-name drugs - an approach that increases the profits of pharmaceutical companies but fails to make the best use of the plan's money. In addition, the program does not fund needle exchange programs for drug addicts, barring promotion of a proven prevention approach.

The biggest criticism by far, however, has been PEPFAR's dogged insistence on the abstinence-only approach to prevention. There is no consensus that such programs, which are often administered by faith-based groups and de-emphasize the use of condoms, are successful in halting the spread of HIV. The scientific consensus is that comprehensive prevention programs promoting abstinence along with partner fidelity and condom use are the best means of reducing transmission. Ignoring such evidence, PEPFAR has required that 20 percent of all its funds go toward prevention and 33 percent of all its prevention funds promote abstinence-only programs, an approach deplored by Democrats, AIDS activists, and health workers alike.

Since PEPFAR has required that participatory countries abide by its 33 percent rule, comprehensive prevention programs have been undermined globally. For example, Uganda had implemented a successful prevention program emphasizing condom use since 1990. When the country decided to accept PEPFAR funding in 2003, however, such scientifically proven approaches were significantly undermined, causing the HIV infection rate to double within two years.

This past July, PEPFAR was re-authorized and its funding expanded to provide $48 billion in services over the next five years. In addition, the 20 percent and 33 percent rules described above have been removed, freeing up money for more effective approaches. The prevention and treatment of tuberculosis and malaria, diseases that often go hand-in-hand with AIDS, have also been given new focus. For a program that has already achieved many of its goals ahead of schedule, such significant improvements bode well for the next phase of the fight against HIV/AIDS.
 

PJABBER

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Almost gave Limbaugh a coffee enema huh:eek:

You used to be funny, once in a while, a long time ago. Weren't you? I seem to remember you did post something funny once.

I never could understand why the welfare liberals are such dour folk and all the conservatives, classical liberals and libertarians are always having a laugh. Not the cynical, sarcastic, sad laughter of an insult, but the kind where you don't feel like you need to use mouthwash or have a stiff drink afterward.

Oh well, better times are coming.
 

bl4ckfl4g

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I love all the dishonesty and mischaracterization liberals resort to when they put their blinders on every morning. It is so telling.

Liberals and "progressives" check out everyone's race, religion, sexual predilections, economic class, place of birth and political party affiliation. They never even try at color blindness or the liberty and freedom for all thing, not at all.

And then they accuse the conservatives, of all people, of being as much profilers as they are.

You guys really need to lighten up and let people live without trying to paint everyone the same. We classical liberals, for example, really like being free from your prejudices! Please don't impose them on us like some petty little dictator!

FWIW, I was really proud that George Bush was the ONLY President to seriously fight AIDS, which, surprise, surprise, has decimated the homosexual, African and African American communities.

From a liberal rag, Vanderbilt's Orbis, published with generous support from Campus Progress / Center for American Progress -

http://media.www.vanderbiltorbis.co...eorge.Bushs.AidsFighting.Legacy-3578911.shtml

George Bush's AIDS-fighting legacy
Despite some flaws, PEPFAR was a great program
By: Nakul Shekhawat
ORBIS 12/10/08

President Bush's overall legacy may be controversial, but one product of his presidency has garnered significant praise from both sides of the aisle. Thanks to the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR), Bush has been able to fundamentally change American and global thinking about the scale of international health funding.

Announced in early 2003, PEPFAR aimed to treat two million people, prevent seven million new infections, and support HIV/AIDS care for 10 million people. PEPFAR especially focused on fifteen countries (twelve of which are in sub-Saharan Africa) with the most troubling HIV/AIDS statistics. The plan has already committed $19 billion to HIV/AIDS prevention & treatment, making it the largest international health initiative directed towards a single disease.

So far, PEPFAR has granted life-saving antiretroviral treatment to 2.1 million people and has prevented nearly 240,000 babies from acquiring HIV via mother-to-child transmission. In some cases, the effects have been transformational. In Rwanda, only four percent of AIDS patients received drugs in 2003. Within four years, that statistic shot up to 92 percent. In Uganda, the number of people receiving treatment has increased by 100,000 while over 1.5 million more people receive HIV testing annually.

Of course, PEPFAR has not been devoid of its share of controversy. When the plan was first passed, President Bush favored the use of costly brand-name medications instead of generic drugs, even going so far as to block use of the inexpensive option. Since then, the Food and Drug Administration has approved a generic antiretroviral drug, but PEPFAR has continued to purchase mostly brand-name drugs - an approach that increases the profits of pharmaceutical companies but fails to make the best use of the plan's money. In addition, the program does not fund needle exchange programs for drug addicts, barring promotion of a proven prevention approach.

The biggest criticism by far, however, has been PEPFAR's dogged insistence on the abstinence-only approach to prevention. There is no consensus that such programs, which are often administered by faith-based groups and de-emphasize the use of condoms, are successful in halting the spread of HIV. The scientific consensus is that comprehensive prevention programs promoting abstinence along with partner fidelity and condom use are the best means of reducing transmission. Ignoring such evidence, PEPFAR has required that 20 percent of all its funds go toward prevention and 33 percent of all its prevention funds promote abstinence-only programs, an approach deplored by Democrats, AIDS activists, and health workers alike.

Since PEPFAR has required that participatory countries abide by its 33 percent rule, comprehensive prevention programs have been undermined globally. For example, Uganda had implemented a successful prevention program emphasizing condom use since 1990. When the country decided to accept PEPFAR funding in 2003, however, such scientifically proven approaches were significantly undermined, causing the HIV infection rate to double within two years.

This past July, PEPFAR was re-authorized and its funding expanded to provide $48 billion in services over the next five years. In addition, the 20 percent and 33 percent rules described above have been removed, freeing up money for more effective approaches. The prevention and treatment of tuberculosis and malaria, diseases that often go hand-in-hand with AIDS, have also been given new focus. For a program that has already achieved many of its goals ahead of schedule, such significant improvements bode well for the next phase of the fight against HIV/AIDS.


No matter how much text you paste, it doesn't change the fact that Republicans are blatant about wanting to deny the same rights to gays. This also happens to contradict your whole "I believe in small govt. " arguement.
 

BoberFett

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You used to be funny, once in a while, a long time ago. Weren't you? I seem to remember you did post something funny once.

I never could understand why the welfare liberals are such dour folk and all the conservatives, classical liberals and libertarians are always having a laugh. Not the cynical, sarcastic, sad laughter of an insult, but the kind where you don't feel like you need to use mouthwash or have a stiff drink afterward.

Oh well, better times are coming.

Sorry, but libertarians are laughing at conservatives, not with them.
 

Red Dawn

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You used to be funny, once in a while, a long time ago. Weren't you? I seem to remember you did post something funny once.

I never could understand why the welfare liberals are such dour folk and all the conservatives, classical liberals and libertarians are always having a laugh. Not the cynical, sarcastic, sad laughter of an insult, but the kind where you don't feel like you need to use mouthwash or have a stiff drink afterward.

Oh well, better times are coming.
Lol, it was funnier than your comeback:D
 

PJABBER

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Sorry, but libertarians are laughing at conservatives, not with them.

Not quite. But at least they are laughing.

Like this one.

One afternoon the socialist leader of country that no longer exists (USSR) was riding in his limousine when he saw two men along the roadside eating grass. Pretending to be disturbed, he ordered his driver to stop and he got out to investigate.

He asked one man, "Why are you eating grass?"

"We don't have any money for food," the poor man replied.
"We have to eat grass."

"Well, then, you can come with me to my house and I'll feed you," the socialist said.

"But sir, I have a wife and two children with me. They are over there, under that tree."

"Bring them along," the socialist replied.

Turning to the other poor man he stated, "You come with us, also."

The second man, in a pitiful voice, then said, "But sir, I also have a wife and SIX children with me!"

"Bring them all, as well," the socialist answered.

They all entered the car, which was no easy task, even for a car as large as the limousine was.

Once underway, one of the poor fellows turned to the socialist and said, "Sir, you are too kind."

"Thank you for taking all of us with you."

The socialist replied, "Glad to do it. You'll really love my place. The grass is almost a foot high!"

:)
 

alchemize

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By this post and numerous others, the OP seems *terribly* interested in right wing homosexuals. Odd.
 

DealMonkey

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I love all the dishonesty and mischaracterization liberals resort to when they put their blinders on every morning. It is so telling.

Liberals and "progressives" check out everyone's race, religion, sexual predilections, economic class, place of birth and political party affiliation. They never even try at color blindness or the liberty and freedom for all thing, not at all.

And then they accuse the conservatives, of all people, of being as much profilers as they are.

Oh my, I abhor stereotyping! Unless I engage in it myself! I'm a hopeless partisan douchenozzle. Thank you, -PJabber.
 

PJABBER

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Oh my, I abhor stereotyping! Unless I engage in it myself! I'm a hopeless partisan douchenozzle.

No need to state the obvious that we all can see you for, DealMonkey!

I am sure that at some point you will be able to post something with some perspicacity!
 

Jhhnn

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Heh. A good Conservative, PJabber, would have dealt with those poor people differently. He'd have sold them the grass, if they'd cut it themselves, rent the equipment from him, loaned them the money to do it at exorbitant rates, then packaged their debt as AAA bonds, sold it to investors, servicing the debt for a fee, of course... hedged the bonds for several times their face value, made out as a bandit when the bonds failed to pay off...

Perfectly legal, of course, in the Free Market! Deregulated! No red tape! world of modern finance...

Conservatives, particularly those dishing out the pablum, are often quite advanced in their thinking when it comes to ripping people off, not so much when it comes to social issues. Having a F@ggot (standard conservative terminology) on the ballot would be the kiss of death in Red State America, and we all know it.