Could the universe be alive?

[moonbogg]

Saw a good science channel show. Heres the idea.

The universe is one iteration of many, and it wasn't created this way, but it is far along an evolutionary chain of universes that have evolved to contain the characteristics that it does. The selection of these characteristics was a result of "selective pressures" that enabled the formation of black holes, and the black holes spawn new universes or "give birth" to new ones. This is how universes are born and they had to evolve for this to be possible.
The mutations take place at the singularity, the funnel point from which a new universe is derived. "Laws" and other characteristics might be changed slightly, giving rise to a slightly different universe that may or may not be better adapted to faster and more efficient formation of black holes.
The characteristics needed for black hole formation coincidentally allow the formation of carbon based life as well.
There you have it.

 

[LucJoe]

There you have it.

 

[diesbudt]

It is possible. It is also possible that the universe is just another small part of a much bigger whole.

 

[IronWing]

Ya'll gonna feel dumb when Voyager hits the ceiling.

 

[clamum]

 

[lxskllr]

I buy it. My vision of the world around us has the "universe" being one of many bubbles that exist. IOW, you could exit the universe perimeter, and after travelling some distance, enter another universe. It stands to reason that some universes wouldn't exist do to improper conditions, and it's just random junk floating around ready to be incorporated into a functioning universe.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I wish I could remember the SF series in which stars were sentient beings and had politics that affected humans and other intelligent species across the universe.

 

[IronWing]

I wish I could remember the SF series in which stars were sentient beings and had politics that affected humans and other intelligent species across the universe.

A Wrinkle in Time

 

[baydude]

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

A Wrinkle in Time

I don't remember that story having anything to do with sentient stars.

 

[IronWing]

I don't remember that story having anything to do with sentient stars.

Spoiler

Spoiler

The witches were stars. Says so right in the book.

 

[BoomerD]

If the universe is alive...does that mean that we humans are parasites?

 

[lxskllr]

If the universe is alive...does that mean that we humans are parasites?

You don't have to go to universe scale to see that :^D

 

[BoomerD]

You don't have to go to universe scale to see that :^D

No shit...global scale, continental scale...state, city, neighborhood...all reveal the truth.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Spoiler

Spoiler

The witches were stars. Says so right in the book.

I got you now. It was a good fantasy story but, not the science fiction series I was referring to.

 

[blankslate]

I buy it. My vision of the world around us has the "universe" being one of many bubbles that exist. IOW, you could exit the universe perimeter, and after travelling some distance, enter another universe. It stands to reason that some universes wouldn't exist do to improper conditions, and it's just random junk floating around ready to be incorporated into a functioning universe.

You're probably familiar with some of the multi-verse documentaries that present a theory that has support form rather prominent scientists.

And as mentioned you can see this idea in the much smaller in scale planetary system on earth if you've heard of the Gaia idea.

It would be rather disconcerting to think that this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nxqDHHORqg

is on some level correct.

 

[Fritzo]

There actually is an idea that this holds merit. Quantum entanglement could mean that we are actually "meshed" into the structure of the universe...so when we die, our consciousness is left behind and actually merged with the universe.

I don't fully understand all of the ideas, but it's an interesting thought.

 

[blankslate]

so when we die, our consciousness is left behind and actually merged with the universe.

And people who have near-death experiences may actually having their brain interpret this process in a way that is comprehensible to them...

Therefore they see either angels or devils or maybe other things...

As explained in this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt3Ny_BG3yQ

from Jacob's Ladder

 

[Exterous]

You don't have to go to universe scale to see that :^D

Just find your nearest Democrat! I kid I kid

 

[lxskllr]

Just find your nearest Democrat! I kid I kid

Republican too, as far as that goes. Both believe in free money, and only the recipient differs. The free market doesn't exist.

 

[TecHNooB]

fractals!

 

[phucheneh]

I liked my space thread better.

The universe is only 'alive' if you redefine the word. Or perhaps loosely interpret said definition. It does take in matter and poop out other matter, I guess.

 

[moonbogg]

I liked my space thread better.

The universe is only 'alive' if you redefine the word. Or perhaps loosely interpret said definition. It does take in matter and poop out other matter, I guess.

I was going to get into that, but I wanted the OP to NOT be a wall of text. The science show talked about how it is difficult to really define life sometimes, and that the lines are not always clearly defined. A multiverse that evolves, has descendants, and, by the way, certainly has the complexity which could result in some kind of intelligence on a scale that we are simply unaware of, could infact be defined as life on a larger scale.
If we could view the baby universes being born from black holes, it might look like a large, parent universe with small universes budding off of it and "hanging" in a way that resembles pine cones hanging off of a tree. The point was that the criteria seems to be there.
Religious people like to say that life cannot come from non life. Well, maybe it doesn't.

Here is the show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LKtiR3Y3SE&feature=share

 

[phucheneh]

I was going to get into that, but I wanted the OP to NOT be a wall of text. The science show talked about how it is difficult to really define life sometimes, and that the lines are not always clearly defined. A multiverse that evolves, has descendants, and, by the way, certainly has the complexity which could result in some kind of intelligence on a scale that we are simply unaware of, could infact be defined as life on a larger scale.
If we could view the baby universes being born from black holes, it might look like a large, parent universe with small universes budding off of it and "hanging" in a way that resembles pine cones hanging off of a tree. The point was that the criteria seems to be there.
Religious people like to say that life cannot come from non life. Well, maybe it doesn't.

You're going into very 'out-there' theory here, though. All science is willing to acknowledge right now is the Big Bang, and the fact that the universe will eventually run out of juice. Beyond that, it's all philosophical speculation.

The big crunch/bang cycle is considered somewhat feasible, but not backed by any science. Multiverse theories are beyond even that.

You may be intrigued by the same stuff I was kind of talking about in said other thread. Give it a skim, if you haven't, and check out the BBC stuff I mentioned in it if you haven't already.

Not trying to threadjack, this is just similar stuff, and a lot of people gave me really good replies. Also there were some batshit ones...but eh, that's to be expected.

 

[moonbogg]

You're going into very 'out-there' theory here, though. All science is willing to acknowledge right now is the Big Bang, and the fact that the universe will eventually run out of juice. Beyond that, it's all philosophical speculation.

The big crunch/bang cycle is considered somewhat feasible, but not backed by any science. Multiverse theories are beyond even that.

You may be intrigued by the same stuff I was kind of talking about in said other thread. Give it a skim, if you haven't, and check out the BBC stuff I mentioned in it if you haven't already.

Not trying to threadjack, this is just similar stuff, and a lot of people gave me really good replies. Also there were some batshit ones...but eh, that's to be expected.

Yeah, the whole thing is a little batshit, but so was the theory that the earth was round. Anyway, its probably not true, but there is enough going for the theory to warrant speculation at least and I find that much to be exciting. Oh, and its not my theory. I posted a link to the show above.