irishScott
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Could genocide and/or acts of genocide happen? Yes; they can and have happened throughout the history of the world including the last half-century.
Could they occur on the sheer scale and mechanization of the holocaust? Possibly, but most of the recent genocides have been against tiny minorities within tiny countries, aside from a few larger attempts (Sudan, the Balkans, etc). However, in countries like North Korea, which has virtually sealed it's borders, I could see it happening and no one know about it.
As for people caring, yes people care they're just [in general] unwilling to take any action until it directly affects them. The Allies stormed Normandy to defeat Hitler, not rescue the Jews. The Holocaust was discovered as allied forces found more death camps. Aside from the horror stories of a few Jewish escapees, no one knew or cared.
Another example is Rwanda. The European and American governments didn't give a crap. IIRC it was the Canadians who held out.
Even more recent is Sudan. I can understand our lack of involvement. Sudan is a HUGE country, much larger than Iraq of Afghanistan, and we're over-taxed militarily (and financially) as it is. The Europeans and the UN, as usual, don't give a crap.
Could they occur on the sheer scale and mechanization of the holocaust? Possibly, but most of the recent genocides have been against tiny minorities within tiny countries, aside from a few larger attempts (Sudan, the Balkans, etc). However, in countries like North Korea, which has virtually sealed it's borders, I could see it happening and no one know about it.
As for people caring, yes people care they're just [in general] unwilling to take any action until it directly affects them. The Allies stormed Normandy to defeat Hitler, not rescue the Jews. The Holocaust was discovered as allied forces found more death camps. Aside from the horror stories of a few Jewish escapees, no one knew or cared.
Another example is Rwanda. The European and American governments didn't give a crap. IIRC it was the Canadians who held out.
Even more recent is Sudan. I can understand our lack of involvement. Sudan is a HUGE country, much larger than Iraq of Afghanistan, and we're over-taxed militarily (and financially) as it is. The Europeans and the UN, as usual, don't give a crap.
erikistired
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i never really knew about rwanda until i watched sometime in april, and that got me curious and i did some research. it's amazing how little this was talked about, and how little was done by ANYONE. to think ethnic cleansing could happen in this day and age, it's frightening.
hahaha. israel has thermonuclear weapons. a single missile would destroy all of iran. the only question is you will do it first.
anyway, mass kiling like the holocaust have happend numerous times since the 1940's but never too such extremes such as death camps.
The term holocaust comes from genocide perpetrated against Jews in England. It's always been a love-hate relationship in Europe and prolly elsewhere -well, tolerate-hate relationship due to financial necessity. Europeans routinely barred Jews from general citizenship and property ownership which is understandable considering the mistrust arising from history and particularly the betrayal of the christ Yeshua bar Yoseph (a popular Asian cum European diety). At the same time, lending of money with interest was sacrilegious to followers of same. Ergo, displaced Jews filled the need and were of course routinely persecuted as the need and/or fickleties of public sentiment arose.
Likewise, Britain invented the modern concentration camp for undesirable Boers to benefit colonial conquests.
So, yeah, it happened before Britain enabled it during WWII and after if the definition is widened to include common genocide and will carry on as usual and prolly more so as the population and competition for resources increase.
Likewise, Britain invented the modern concentration camp for undesirable Boers to benefit colonial conquests.
So, yeah, it happened before Britain enabled it during WWII and after if the definition is widened to include common genocide and will carry on as usual and prolly more so as the population and competition for resources increase.
It would be better if there were dictators that were considered evil because they forced two groups of people that hate each other to mate, so that maybe there children would be less ingrained with hatred. (Hilarious pipe dream ++)
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are you fucking retarded?
i guess my question was more about how it was so organized and well funded. the state was behind it and almost no one in the country questioned what was happening.
Yes and it can and has happened again even to the point of state sponsored and organized death camps.
Country/Year Hidden Holocausts
Belgian Congo 1891-1911 11,500,000 blacks died 1891-1911; from 1907 Kongo was a Belgian Crown Domain.
South Africa, 1900 In the Boer-war the British coined the word "concentration camp".
Armenia, 1915 1,500,000 Christian Armenians killed by Turks in what Churchill called a Holocaust.
USSR, 1921 21,000,000 hit by partly Soviet-engineered famine. (2nd August 1921)
Ukraine, 1932-1933 4,821,600 died of hunger engineered by Stalin 1932-33. 7,465,000 died in 1932-1939.
USSR 1934 to 1953 From 1934 to 1953 upto 15 million Russians disappered in the GULAGS.
Germany/Poland 1939-1945 5,000,000 non-jews died in Germancamps, mainly Polish Christians and Catholics
Germany, 1942-1945 5,860 mill. jews died in German KZ-Camps
Poland/Russia from 1941 1,700,000 Polish people were deported to Siberia after 1941.
Bengal, 1943 1,500,000 died of war-related famine in 1943 in Bengal.
Germany, East Prussia 1945 upto 3,000,000 German civilians were killed by Russians in the last months of WW2.
Cambodia, 1975-1979 Khmer Rouge´s Pol Pot (president 1976) killed abt. 1,700,000 of his own people.
East Timor 1983-1985 200,000 East Timorese (Indonesia) were killed in 1983-1985.
Rwanda/Burundi - 1993-1994 700,000 Hutus and Tutsies murdered each other while the world looked away.
Yugoslavia 1991-2000 About 250,000 dead Yugoslaws can be blamed on Milosevic upto 2000.
GREATEST CRIMINALS OF THE 20TH CENTURY
Stalin, Josef W. Probably the biggest killer of all with a total of upto 62 million 1932-1953.
Adolf Hitler Hitlers 2rd place because the industrial killing only took place in 1942-45.
Mao ZeDong Possibly no. 3 killer with a total of upto 35 million that can attributed Mao.
Pol-Pot Possibly the most extreme, killing 1,700,000 out of the population of Cambodia.
Lenin, Wladimir Illitsch In his writings the most bloodthirsty, laying the foundation of Stalin´s terror.
Suharto Killed 700,000 Communists in 1965 and 200,000 Eastern Timorese in 1983-1985.
Milosevic About 250,000 dead Yugoslaws can be blamed on Milosevic.
Deadliest wars since WW2 with totals of military and civil casualties: Korea 3,000,000 - Vietnam 2,059,000 - Nigeria 2,000,0
Source:
http://users.cybercity.dk/~dko12530/holocausts.htm
Country/Year Hidden Holocausts
Belgian Congo 1891-1911 11,500,000 blacks died 1891-1911; from 1907 Kongo was a Belgian Crown Domain.
South Africa, 1900 In the Boer-war the British coined the word "concentration camp".
Armenia, 1915 1,500,000 Christian Armenians killed by Turks in what Churchill called a Holocaust.
USSR, 1921 21,000,000 hit by partly Soviet-engineered famine. (2nd August 1921)
Ukraine, 1932-1933 4,821,600 died of hunger engineered by Stalin 1932-33. 7,465,000 died in 1932-1939.
USSR 1934 to 1953 From 1934 to 1953 upto 15 million Russians disappered in the GULAGS.
Germany/Poland 1939-1945 5,000,000 non-jews died in Germancamps, mainly Polish Christians and Catholics
Germany, 1942-1945 5,860 mill. jews died in German KZ-Camps
Poland/Russia from 1941 1,700,000 Polish people were deported to Siberia after 1941.
Bengal, 1943 1,500,000 died of war-related famine in 1943 in Bengal.
Germany, East Prussia 1945 upto 3,000,000 German civilians were killed by Russians in the last months of WW2.
Cambodia, 1975-1979 Khmer Rouge´s Pol Pot (president 1976) killed abt. 1,700,000 of his own people.
East Timor 1983-1985 200,000 East Timorese (Indonesia) were killed in 1983-1985.
Rwanda/Burundi - 1993-1994 700,000 Hutus and Tutsies murdered each other while the world looked away.
Yugoslavia 1991-2000 About 250,000 dead Yugoslaws can be blamed on Milosevic upto 2000.
GREATEST CRIMINALS OF THE 20TH CENTURY
Stalin, Josef W. Probably the biggest killer of all with a total of upto 62 million 1932-1953.
Adolf Hitler Hitlers 2rd place because the industrial killing only took place in 1942-45.
Mao ZeDong Possibly no. 3 killer with a total of upto 35 million that can attributed Mao.
Pol-Pot Possibly the most extreme, killing 1,700,000 out of the population of Cambodia.
Lenin, Wladimir Illitsch In his writings the most bloodthirsty, laying the foundation of Stalin´s terror.
Suharto Killed 700,000 Communists in 1965 and 200,000 Eastern Timorese in 1983-1985.
Milosevic About 250,000 dead Yugoslaws can be blamed on Milosevic.
Deadliest wars since WW2 with totals of military and civil casualties: Korea 3,000,000 - Vietnam 2,059,000 - Nigeria 2,000,0
Source:
http://users.cybercity.dk/~dko12530/holocausts.htm
DrPizza
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Originally posted by: Fritzo
Why is that funny?
the comparison between the levels of technologies. the outcome is definitely not funny. but even though Ahmadinejad is definitely crazy, even he should understand that we can easily kill him.
Gooberlx2
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- May 4, 2001
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Certainly mass genocide has happened since, but I'm not so sure than an organized effort, on the scale of the Nazis, has happened. Something complete with ghettos, work camps and gas chambers. It's grizzly to think about but the Nazis had their "solution" running like a machine.
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