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Could Sen. Bernie Sanders Become President?

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Bowfinger said:
Do you consider Jeb Bush a loon? I don't. He has many faults, but he stands out as one of the few GOP contenders who isn't either a complete crackpot or a blatant snake oil salesman.
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Yeah, but that isn't saying much. He is very vague about his policies but so far we know he supports traditional marriage, still wants to repeal the ACA because it is a "speed bump for the economy," and thinks the job growth in FL from 2000-2007 is somehow comparable to Obama's economic record from 2009-present. He has also surrounded himself with all his brother's foreign advisors. I guarantee if he was forced to give details for his economic plan they would be textbook trickle down. Sorry, but wanting to do all the same shit that was already tried and failed counts as loony to me, just not as loony as the rest.
 
dank69 said:
Yeah, but that isn't saying much. He is very vague about his policies but so far we know he supports traditional marriage, still wants to repeal the ACA because it is a "speed bump for the economy," and thinks the job growth in FL from 2000-2007 is somehow comparable to Obama's economic record from 2009-present. He has also surrounded himself with all his brother's foreign advisors. I guarantee if he was forced to give details for his economic plan they would be textbook trickle down. Sorry, but wanting to do all the same shit that was already tried and failed counts as loony to me, just not as loony as the rest.
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Above is my #1 reason for never considering Jeb.
 
dank69 said:
Yeah, but that isn't saying much. He is very vague about his policies but so far we know he supports traditional marriage, still wants to repeal the ACA because it is a "speed bump for the economy," and thinks the job growth in FL from 2000-2007 is somehow comparable to Obama's economic record from 2009-present. He has also surrounded himself with all his brother's foreign advisors. I guarantee if he was forced to give details for his economic plan they would be textbook trickle down. Sorry, but wanting to do all the same shit that was already tried and failed counts as loony to me, just not as loony as the rest.
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That's not loony if you're a member of the lootocracy. It's loony to believe it if you're not, but that's an issue of perspective, as well. When Repubs toss enough emotionally pleasing rhetoric about everything else in with it then all too many people let it ride as part of the package. If it's about God, Guns, Gays & Benghazi, they'll vote for it.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Above is my #1 reason for never considering Jeb.
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Consider the failed Neocon foreign policy he has to support as a very close runner up. Iraq? Why, based on the information available at the time (as if he has any idea what that really was) he'd do the same thing all over again. Plenty of opportunities. Maybe we can get boots on the ground in Ukraine & start a war with Iran along similar lines of trumped up bullshit.
 
Jhhnn said:
Consider the failed Neocon foreign policy he has to support as a very close runner up. Iraq? Why, based on the information available at the time (as if he has any idea what that really was) he'd do the same thing all over again. Plenty of opportunities. Maybe we can get boots on the ground in Ukraine & start a war with Iran along similar lines of trumped up bullshit.
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Whatever it takes to keep that insatiable profit generating trifecta between the military, industry and Congress churning along alchemizing the blood of our military forces into cash it seems.

Maybe our enemies think they can bleed us dry via baiting us into more winless wars by taking advantage of the fact that we have a Repub Congress just itching to turn our dogs of war loose for more fun and profit. If we get another Repub Pres./VP sidling along the Repub owned Congress that now exists, the chances of what you're mentioning gets increased exponentially.

We can't let that happen again.
 
lotus503 said:
I don't see it as an all or nothing proposition, I think we can take good ideas from different systems and apply them under a democratic republic.

Social Security
Universal Healthcare
Education


all good ideas and do not make us socialist
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nickqt said:
Listen up.

If we even have a hint of socialism anywhere (such as say, education, healthcare, or the military) then it ALL goes socialist, and within a short period of time, full communist. And of course when I say communist, I mean totalitarian, because words don't really have specific meanings when I've been trained in talking points debate.

Just look at Germany. Total communist hellhole. Same with France, and almost all of Western Europe where you'd feel comfortable living for more than a few weeks.

Total communist (totalitarian) hellholes. All because they aren't clamoring for more tax breaks for their richest citizens 100% of the time, at full political volume.
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Apparently you haven't been trained in anything, considering what you just posted there as a response.
 
The democratic leadership need to learn that if they don't run a progressive candidate enough democrats will vote republican for the win. So if Hillary wins I will vote for......well one of those clowns.
 
Moonbeam said:
The democratic leadership need to learn that if they don't run a progressive candidate enough democrats will vote republican for the win. So if Hillary wins I will vote for......well one of those clowns.
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spark, buzz, pop, fire.. smoke.

Oh well, the corporations will be happy at least.
 
Funny I just heard Trump on MSN(?) say he is the only candidate that has attracted thousands of people to hear him speak (I summarized can't remember Trumps exact words). Seems like He is right Bernie has attracted ten thousand.
 
I like Bernie Sanders. He is my favorite of the mainstream candidates. He wont win the election though. There is not much corporate backing. And this is a country of the business, by the business, and for business.
 
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Fanatical Meat said:
Funny I just heard Trump on MSN(?) say he is the only candidate that has attracted thousands of people to hear him speak (I summarized can't remember Trumps exact words). Seems like He is right Bernie has attracted ten thousand.
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Trump had to pay people $50 to come to his event.
 
dank69 said:
Yeah, but that isn't saying much. He is very vague about his policies but so far we know he supports traditional marriage, still wants to repeal the ACA because it is a "speed bump for the economy," and thinks the job growth in FL from 2000-2007 is somehow comparable to Obama's economic record from 2009-present. He has also surrounded himself with all his brother's foreign advisors. I guarantee if he was forced to give details for his economic plan they would be textbook trickle down. Sorry, but wanting to do all the same shit that was already tried and failed counts as loony to me, just not as loony as the rest.
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We absolutely don't need/can't afford the money and lives lost in another Middle East conflict. Anybody that would vote for him in the general would be nuts, even if they hate the other side's candidate.
 
dank69 said:
Trump had to pay people $50 to come to his event.
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*hmph* - I wouldn't go for anything less than $55...........and a chance to, with extreme prejudice, slap the backside of his head with a 2x4 to see if that comb over of his really is able to withstand a nose to nose face-off with Chris Christie or not. 😉
 
dank69 said:
Bowfinger said:
Do you consider Jeb Bush a loon? I don't. He has many faults, but he stands out as one of the few GOP contenders who isn't either a complete crackpot or a blatant snake oil salesman.
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Yeah, but that isn't saying much. He is very vague about his policies but so far we know he supports traditional marriage, still wants to repeal the ACA because it is a "speed bump for the economy," and thinks the job growth in FL from 2000-2007 is somehow comparable to Obama's economic record from 2009-present. He has also surrounded himself with all his brother's foreign advisors. I guarantee if he was forced to give details for his economic plan they would be textbook trickle down. Sorry, but wanting to do all the same shit that was already tried and failed counts as loony to me, just not as loony as the rest.
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And now Jeb is telling Americans they need to work more hours. Fuck this guy.
 
Yet Jeb is the most viable candidate on the GOP side. He will get the nomination and the ignorant masses on the right will vote for him.

And the left should have Bernie but will be stuck with Hillary, and we will have another Clinton/Bush election.

Same ole' , same ole' America. Progressives trepidatious to move America forward while conservatives constantly pulling America backwards.
 
dank69 said:
And now Jeb is telling Americans they need to work more hours. Fuck this guy.
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Yea, I saw that, and I agree 100%, fuck him. That is inane to push onto folks who are already working 40+ hours a week. Forget raising taxes on the wealthy, push the burden back onto the average citizen who is scraping to get by.
 
Franz316 said:
I've always looked at providing things such as education and medical care as an investment in the future. Any country that considers itself to be "modern" or "advanced" should make those two a priority. Sure, there is an up front cost that needs to be considered and dealt with, but the long term consequences of having a stupid and unhealthy society costs far more. Or maybe I'm just crazy for thinking that.
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I think you're correct on all of that, but I'm also beginning to think you're crazy for thinking most of us want any of that for ourselves. Sure, in the abstract most Americans would like to be smarter and healthier, but in the real world, we're not really interested in expending any real effort to achieve those goals. In the short-term, we're happier as Americans being fat morons.
 
For those interested, there's a Reddit forum for Bernie Sanders and it's pretty active:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/

From the start, I have wondered whether Sanders's run was legitimate; whether he really intended to win or was "asked" to run by the Democratic establishment so that no one can say, "Hillary was anointed." He would also help energize the progressive base before eventually conceding in the primaries and turning his support over to Hillary.
 
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