Could my western Civ professor get in trouble for saying this?

[Pocatello]

Originally posted by: loki8481
heritic! genetically modified food rocks!

Thanks to modern science! Bet those Indians could never come up with something so brillant!

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
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<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Mill</b></i>
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<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Pocatello</b></i>
The Europeans were more advanced in term of technology, and enabled the Europeans to conquer most of the world, it doesn't mean Europeans were more civilized. The Europeans were just as greedy and bloodthirsty as any people. His statement about the Indians trying to figure which mud is edible and digging hole randomly is pretty stupid. Because people do things that may seem reasonable to some and completely wrong to others. Things like how we worship, what we do everyday, what we eat might seem completely alien and stupid to other people. That's why we should be try to learn about different culture.<hr></blockquote>

I don't see how his statement was dumb. It was hyperbolic and meant to convey an underlying message which I caught quite easily. Taking things at face value from a college professor is not the smartest thing to do. Some want to create a comedic and/or entertaining atmosphere instead of being dull and bland.<hr></blockquote>

Stupidity or funny man? That's pretty subjective, opinions are like a$$ holes, everybody has one. The most important thing is, what does his department head think about his statement, if it ever get out, that is.

Umm, at least at my school Profs are allowed to have an opinion and are given a wide latitude concerning how they present material.

 

[Pocatello]

Originally posted by: Mill
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<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Pocatello</b></i>
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<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Mill</b></i>
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<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Pocatello</b></i>
The Europeans were more advanced in term of technology, and enabled the Europeans to conquer most of the world, it doesn't mean Europeans were more civilized. The Europeans were just as greedy and bloodthirsty as any people. His statement about the Indians trying to figure which mud is edible and digging hole randomly is pretty stupid. Because people do things that may seem reasonable to some and completely wrong to others. Things like how we worship, what we do everyday, what we eat might seem completely alien and stupid to other people. That's why we should be try to learn about different culture.<hr></blockquote>

I don't see how his statement was dumb. It was hyperbolic and meant to convey an underlying message which I caught quite easily. Taking things at face value from a college professor is not the smartest thing to do. Some want to create a comedic and/or entertaining atmosphere instead of being dull and bland.<hr></blockquote>

Stupidity or funny man? That's pretty subjective, opinions are like a$$ holes, everybody has one. The most important thing is, what does his department head think about his statement, if it ever get out, that is.<hr></blockquote>

Umm, at least at my school Profs are allowed to have an opinion and are given a wide latitude concerning how they present material.

If that's the case, why do you think that he could get in trouble? Your prof should have nothing to worry about. Case closed.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
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You said the Indians were responsible for killing them off and that isn't true. Who estimates them at 60 million? I can't find anything. <img src="i/expressions/anim_roller.gif" border="0"><hr></blockquote>
Then you evidently suck at the internet.

Please show me the light.

 

[wetcat007]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
He was lecturing about the native americans. He said something along the lines of this, slowly became ramble towards the end.

"you might be wondering why the native americans never became as advanced as we were. In part, this was due to the fact that north of mexico, the tribes in the present day US spoke well over 300 differant languages. There were no nations, they were just villages and local tribes. And while we were in europe, measuring the circumfrence of the earth in (insert some date about 2.5 thousand years ago), they were over here trying to figure out if mud was eatable and digging random holes in the ground for no reason. "

there was a native american girl sitting in front of my that seem to take large offense at this. i could see why, but i also thought it was funny in a twisted sorta way, could he get introuble for the above statement?

That last part was bad, the rest was understandable.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

People are offended too easily in today's culture. People as a whole need to grow the fvck up and just DEAL with things that offend them.

 

[Pocatello]

Originally posted by: Nik
People are offended too easily in today's culture. People as a whole need to grow the fvck up and just DEAL with things that offend them.

Are you offended that people are easily offended?

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
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First, there were simply too many buffalo. If anthropologists are correct and there was a minimum of 30 million buffalo on the Plains, it would have been impossible for the Native People to have made much impact on such a large figure.

The second reason is that the Native People knew that their survival depended on the buffalo and if they took advantage of this creature, they would pay for that greed themselves. Therefore, the buffalo was hunted but honoured by the Plains Native People. <hr></blockquote>

eh don't pretend they were enviromental angels. most of the large and now extinct mammals in america such as those kewl giant sloths, giant saber tooths and whatever were gone long before the buffalo, and because of humans.

Like which ones and don't break the Clovis barrier. And don't say mammoths because how could anyone resist a big juicy mammoth.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
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<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Nik</b></i>
People are offended too easily in today's culture. People as a whole need to grow the fvck up and just DEAL with things that offend them.<hr></blockquote>

Are you offended that people are easily offended?

Kiss my pucker.

 

[Brutuskend]

Killing the Bison was part of the white mans plan to eradicate the native population. Since the Natives depended on them for a HUGE part of their existence, killing their food source and the source of many of the "products" the used for day to day survival would effectively reduce or totally wipe out the native population. They used to have "hunts" where 1000's were killed and left to rot on the plains. The introduction of the train, was the beginning of the end for the Bison as many of these hunts were from moving trains.

At first the white man hunted them for food and hides like the natives, then over time they just killed them for their tongues and hides, in the end they just killed them and left them. Years after the herds were more or less wiped out, they started collecting the bones for fertilizer and tooth brushes and various other products.

Believe me, the natives would have NEVER behaved like this...

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
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<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Nik</b></i>
People are offended too easily in today's culture. People as a whole need to grow the fvck up and just DEAL with things that offend them.<hr></blockquote>

Are you offended that people are easily offended?

owned

/submitted to bash.org

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
if he's old, he's probably tenured so they would have a tough time firing him or even censuring him. has he ever heard of the Aztecs, Incas, or Mayans?

in the timeframe that he was referencing, columbus' discovery ship was a mere fraction of a chinese junk ship: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2002/03/04/nexpbig.jpg
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the thing that takes up the page is the chinese ship, the little thing in the corner is the european ship.
all empires rise and fall. china was dominant in the 1400's but is not now. rome lasted a thousand years.

i sure hope that western civ teacher doesnt think western civilization is invincible

Again....he was talking about the tribes North of what is now Mexico.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: loki8481
Native Americans are overrated.

Senior year of college, I had to take a Native American Culture seminar, focusing mostly on Indians tribes in the North East. I walked away from the class with the knowledge that European culture and religion/mythology is far better.

Nice open mind you got there.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Obvious hyperbole by the professor.

Just look at the accomplishments of the Mayans, especially in mathematics and astronomy! They were predicting eclipses long before much of Europe even accepted that the Sun was in the center of the Solar System

Or, look at the accomplishments of the Aztecs...
When Cortez arrived, the Aztec capital had a population of around 200,000... far larger than any European capital.
The aztecs built quite an advanced city, including aquaducts to bring water

And, someone mentioned agriculture somewhere above... There were tons of varieties of corn and potatoes grown in central America.... varieties FAR more nutricious than our "modern more technologically advanced" corn.

I'm not saying that the Indians weren't behind Europe, but at the same time, we're judging them under the microscope of our own culture... In some aspects, I'd consider their culture (particularly their respect to the land and awareness of planning for the future) to be superior to our culture.

One more time....he was talking about the tribes of what is now North America.

 

[homestarmy]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
He was lecturing about the native americans. He said something along the lines of this, slowly became ramble towards the end.

"you might be wondering why the native americans never became as advanced as we were. In part, this was due to the fact that north of mexico, the tribes in the present day US spoke well over 300 differant languages. There were no nations, they were just villages and local tribes. And while we were in europe, measuring the circumfrence of the earth in (insert some date about 2.5 thousand years ago), they were over here trying to figure out if mud was eatable and digging random holes in the ground for no reason. "

there was a native american girl sitting in front of my that seem to take large offense at this. i could see why, but i also thought it was funny in a twisted sorta way, could he get introuble for the above statement?

1. He was right.

2. Tenure is a bitch.

 

[homestarmy]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
Most sociolgists are afraid to back the 'most stereotypes are based on truth' movement.

Yep, that's why I had such a fun time in Sociology class... because I am willing to embrace the truth.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
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That wouldn't be a problem if it was a joke (which, if there really is a Native American in your class, it could have been), but if it definitely wasn't then I would say it is a problem. However, to get him in trouble for something like that is unlikely. It wasn't a very smart thing to say, either way.<hr></blockquote>
He didn't put it the best way, but what he said was essentially correct. Sorry if the Native American girl was offended...but she needs to grow some thicker skin if hearing the truth hurts her that much.

I'm really sick and tired of all the PC crap that is going on in schools these days. I'm amazed anyone can learn at all. It seems more time is spent making sure nobody is offended than than is spent making sure people learn.

I talked to a school teacher in Florida that said she has to grade her papers with purple ink now, as red ink was too intimidating. I don't know if this is being enforced at a state, district, or school level though.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: murphy55d
I laughed too. People are too fscking sensitive.

I agree.

 

[GasX]

He is supposed to be educating not spreading false misconceptions.... :roll:

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
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<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>murphy55d</b></i>
I laughed too. People are too fscking sensitive.<hr></blockquote>

I agree.

I disagree. How would you feel if you were studying abroad and the dumbass teacher made a dumbass comment about Americans and how they digged holes for no reason? I wouldn't laugh. I'd be pissed.

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: XietyCOM
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<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Chaotic42</b></i>
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<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>murphy55d</b></i>
I laughed too. People are too fscking sensitive.<hr></blockquote>

I agree.<hr></blockquote>

I disagree. How would you feel if you were studying abroad and the dumbass teacher made a dumbass comment about Americans and how they digged holes for no reason? I wouldn't laugh. I'd be pissed.

Maybe they weren't digging holes for no reason, maybe they were searching for the teachers common sense?

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: XietyCOM
I disagree. How would you feel if you were studying abroad and the dumbass teacher made a dumbass comment about Americans and how they digged holes for no reason? I wouldn't laugh. I'd be pissed.

Well, if I went to a school in a country that was thousands of years ahead of America, I wouldn't be angry.

See, I don't get offended easily. People take stuff way too personally. Life isn't all snuggles and roses, and you're going to have to deal with people who say things that piss you off.

I think a huge problem in our country is people who have skin that's too thin. Do I go and try to cause trouble when someone calls me a redneck? No, I blow it off. I don't worry about what idiots do. The whiny bitches in America are bringing our country down.

Just my opinion though.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
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<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Pocatello</b></i>
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<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Nik</b></i>
People are offended too easily in today's culture. People as a whole need to grow the fvck up and just DEAL with things that offend them.<hr></blockquote>

Are you offended that people are easily offended?<hr></blockquote>

owned

/submitted to bash.org

:roll:

 

[whoiswes]

Originally posted by: preslove
As for anyone that wants to understand why some civilizations prospered and some didn't they should REALLY read this book Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies by Jared Diamond. It's fvcking awesome.

now on reserve at my local library. thank you.

 

[Linflas]

Too bad that whole myth about American Indians as the original conservationists is just that.
Myth