Could be my AMD barton XP go further?

[epidemis]

My faithful overclocked barton XP has served me for 3 years. I have it overclocked to 1837 MHz on my Asus A7N8X-X mobo and it has been rock-solid with a little help from a zalman cooler. However, in the bios setting there's a higher overclock possible with 200 MHz FBS instead of 166 MHz, but so far I have never gotten it to boot up (furthest I have gotten is freezing at windows loadscreen). I am now on the verge of getting a new computer and would like to pass on my old computer to my little brother, it would be great however it I could get it to 2,2 GHz stable and plug in a cheap 7600 GT card so it still would be up to par on today's games.

So my question will be, is this even possible on this chip/mobo? Can't remember the chip's exact specifications, other than it's a barton XP either 1600+ or 1200+ (or I am getting the numbers wrong ) And oh, 2x 512 MB kingstons (first is PC2700, second is PC2100)

Thank you for your time.

Update: Silly me, I can by selecting user-defined increase the FBS get increments of 1 MHz :/ Still looking for advice to get it to 2,2 MHz or past.

 

[zealit]

I have a system with an A7N8X-VM\400 (you can't OC with this board nor you can play with FSB/Memory settings) but I got a weird problem with the board that makes my 2500+ run at 2228mhz on stock cooler @ 1.64v on stock cooler. I'm still wondering why nothing fried on this system since its running like that for 3yrs+ now at outrageous temps (70°C+ on load). Anyways those processor are pretty tough you should have no problem running it at 2.2ghz

 

[epidemis]

Originally posted by: zealit
I have a system with an A7N8X-VM\400 (you can't OC with this board nor you can play with FSB/Memory settings) but I got a weird problem with the board that makes my 2500+ run at 2228mhz on stock cooler @ 1.64v on stock cooler. I'm still wondering why nothing fried on this system since its running like that for 3yrs+ now at outrageous temps (70°C+ on load). Anyways those processor are pretty tough you should have no problem running it at 2.2ghz

Is the ram the problem then? I can't make it boot with 2,2 ghz

 

[zealit]

Well, if you try to go 200FSB with the memory you have, you'll probably need to play with the FSB ratio since your memory is probably not going to handle a 1:1 ratio. For exemple, on my board the fsb is at 200 and the memory is at 166 for a 6:5 ratio. In your case, the memory is probably what is holding you back so try to play with the ratio or loosen your ram timings.

 

[Cybercraig]

No, you will never get there. You need PC3200 to get up to a 200mhz FSB. My back-up is an AN7-S v2 with an XP-2500 running at 2.1ghz @ 190mhz memory speed. I wouldn't put another nickel into it. :brokenheart:

 

[f4phantom2500]

i don't think they made a barton that low. if i recall, they made a mobile 2400, but that's the lowest i remember. i had a 2500, one of the originals. did they all have unlocked multis?

 

[Gikaseixas]

Buy memory PC3200, a top line AGP card, a fresh windows install and voila, your little bro should be able to run it for 2 more years at least

 

[f4phantom2500]

Originally posted by: Gikaseixas
Buy memory PC3200, a top line AGP card, a fresh windows install and voila, your little bro should be able to run it for 2 more years at least

lol, that would be a complete waste on a barton chip. it would probably be cheaper (it would at least be more economical) to buy a new am2 board with a cheap chip (3600 brisbane would be my first choice), some ddr2 ram, and an equivalent pci-e video card. of course, then they'd need a new psu...

 

[Assimilator1]

Yea don't bother with a top of line card or RAM ,maybe get a 7600GT at the very most.

Originally posted by: f4phantom2500
i don't think they made a barton that low. if i recall, they made a mobile 2400, but that's the lowest i remember. i had a 2500, one of the originals. did they all have unlocked multis?

Yea the XP2500 is the lowest desktop Barton they made.
Mobiles went down to XP1900 according to my little table I have from years ago.
All mobiles had unlocked multi's ,but only desktop made before wk39 2003 (IIRC) were unlocked.

epidemis
1.83GHz is the standard speed for an XP2500 ,maybe you'd better check to see what CPU it is really

 

[f4phantom2500]

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Yea don't bother with a top of line card or RAM ,maybe get a 7600GT at the very most.

Originally posted by: f4phantom2500
i don't think they made a barton that low. if i recall, they made a mobile 2400, but that's the lowest i remember. i had a 2500, one of the originals. did they all have unlocked multis?

Yea the XP2500 is the lowest desktop Barton they made.
Mobiles went down to XP1900 according to my little table I have from years ago.
All mobiles had unlocked multi's ,but only desktop made before wk39 2003 (IIRC) were unlocked.

epidemis
1.83GHz is the standard speed for an XP2500 ,maybe you'd better check to see what CPU it is really

lol, the funny thing is at the time i knew so little about overclocking that, instead of just raising the multi, i would just try to increase the fsb, because the idea of higher memory bandwidth really appealed to me. i also had no clue about the cpu voltage, so i ended up not even ocing it to 2.2ghz. man, i wish i still had that thing to mess around with, but i sold it in the fs/ft forum for like $20 last year :/

 

[Assimilator1]

Damn that's not much!:Q ,I hope I get more for my XPM 2500!

 

[soonerproud]

I had used PC3200 with my XP2500 and easily overclocked to 2.2 by just raising the FSB to 200. If you can find a cheap deal on PC3200 then just replace the ram and try raising the FSB and if need be just experiment with the voltage.

You should also consider upgrading to a new X2 since it is very cheap to do so at the moment. You could move to the X2 for less than $300. This includes a gig of memory and a 7600GT which will play most games at high settings well.

I have done a little shopping on NewEgg and here is what you can get for $255.96 (Before shipping charges)

1.) BIOSTAR NF520-A2 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 520 MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail - $49.99

2.) EVGA 256-P2-N554-AX GeForce 7600GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail - $99.99

3.) WINTEC AMPO 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit - $39.99

4.) AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+(65W) Windsor 2.0GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model - $65.99


Spending money on this upgrade from an Atlhon XP is well worth it and very affordable even on tight budgets.

 

[f4phantom2500]

Originally posted by: soonerproud
I had used PC3200 with my XP2500 and easily overclocked to 2.2 by just raising the FSB to 200. If you can find a cheap deal on PC3200 then just replace the ram and try raising the FSB and if need be just experiment with the voltage.

You should also consider upgrading to a new X2 since it is very cheap to do so at the moment. You could move to the X2 for less than $300. This includes a gig of memory and a 7600GT which will play most games at high settings well.

I have done a little shopping on NewEgg and here is what you can get for $255.96 (Before shipping charges)

1.) BIOSTAR NF520-A2 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 520 MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail - $49.99

2.) EVGA 256-P2-N554-AX GeForce 7600GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail - $99.99

3.) WINTEC AMPO 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit - $39.99

4.) AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+(65W) Windsor 2.0GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model - $65.99


Spending money on this upgrade from an Atlhon XP is well worth it and very affordable even on tight budgets.

if he's willing to overclock though he should grab a 3600 brisbane and a decent ocing motherboard, like the tforce 550 or the infinity nf utltraII-m2, and if he can he should try to get 2 gigs of ram. and if he gets one from the fs/ft forum or ebay he could get a 7900gs for the same price as that 7600gt or less shipped. i got an msi one that supports hdcp on ebay for $95 shipped.

 

[soonerproud]

I suggest people avoid Ebay when buying computer parts because you never know what you are really going to get or what shape it will be in. Also a X2 3800 is $5 more than the 3600 and has a total of 512 more cache and the same ability to overclock. You also can not beat the service Newegg has on Ebay nor guarantee the same return policy if the hardware is faulty.

The point of my post was that he could have a very significant upgrade for very little money over the Athlon XP if he is will to recycle the rest of the pc.

 

[Cybercraig]

If you read his post he is giving this machine to his little brother and getting a new one for himself. As far as not buying any parts off of E-Bay, ROFLMAO! :laugh:

 

[f4phantom2500]

Originally posted by: soonerproud
I suggest people avoid Ebay when buying computer parts because you never know what you are really going to get or what shape it will be in. Also a X2 3800 is $5 more than the 3600 and has a total of 512 more cache and the same ability to overclock. You also can not beat the service Newegg has on Ebay nor guarantee the same return policy if the hardware is faulty.

The point of my post was that he could have a very significant upgrade for very little money over the Athlon XP if he is will to recycle the rest of the pc.

actually the 3600 brisbane has 2x512kb l2 cache as well; the windsor 3600 has 2x256. and also, the windsor 3800 does not overclock as well as the 3600 brisbane. maybe the 3600 windsor, but not the brisbane. i have one running at 2.8ghz at 1.45v right now (stock 1.9), and this is a pretty average result.

 

[ForumMaster]

doubt it. my computer for now is actually an ASUS A7N8X-X mobo like yours with an AMD Athlon XP-M Barton 2400+ OC'ed to 2.2Ghz. thing is, the mobile versions simply run at lower voltage and have unlocked multiplier. Thus, it was easy to get it to run at 200x11. you're gonna need PC3200 RAM to do it but frankly, there's no point. save up and buy a new rig. that's what i'm doing.

 

[Assimilator1]

I think some of you guys are missing the point ,epidemis wants to spend very little money on this rig ,as in the cost of a 7600GT ,you can't build a new rig with the money that intitles.

epidemis
Have you tried an FSB setting inbetween 166 & 200? ,may give a little extra speed at least.
Or to keep costs to a bare minimium you could sell the PC2100 stick (maybe you'd get £10 for it?) & buy 512MB PC3200 for ~£21 ,that would allow you to reach a higher FSB for a tiny cost ,but before you do that you'll want to pull out the PC2100 stick & just see what the PC2700 stick/mbrd/CPU will overclock to.
I don't know what Kingston stuff overclocks like but my old Crucial PC2700 would o/c to 178MHz & that's at 2.5-2-2 timings.
But we do need to know your CPUs proper model number

 

[bryanW1995]

My wife is making me clean out my office to make room for baby #2, and I just found an old computer system in the closet. It had an xp 2500 barton in it. The code on the chip started with 4 letters (AX**) and then had 2500 in it. I googeled it to make sure and it was a barton 2500. I think that was the slowest barton desktop chip available.

What video card are you using in that computer right now?

 

[mhahnheuser]

At 1837 MHz is stock speed for Barton 2500+ (166 MHz), but just happens to have same multiplier as Barton 3200 (200 MHz) (X 11). Your RAM modules are different speeds, and rated at DDR 333 (2700) and DDR 266 (2100). I'm not sure how good for OCing your main board is and its certainly a big factor, I could get my 2500+ up to 3200+ on several Epox mobo's, but not a MSI one. Here's a suggestion. Take out the slowest RAM module as I doubt it can hit the neccesary speed. The 2700 is also iffy but has a better chance. Up your CPU voltage from 1.4 to 1.8 from memory, the cpu will need the extra grunt, but it will raise temperatures so you will need to monitor this. My old MSI mobo could only manage 1.75 and that didn't cut it, but the cpu's do vary. Once the voltage is adjusted then raise the FSB to 200 MHz. If your board can support the following you might have a chance of cracking a stable OC. Temps should be around the 40 to 50 C mark, any more and i'd save the OC for when you really need it, or up the cooling. As for the video card the old ATI 9800 Pro pretty well maxs it out, the most optimal video board for your setup would be the 6600 GT which will get a bost in a faster machine but will also yield SM 3.0 as an extra feature over the 9800 Pro. Although having said that I still prefer my ATI 850 XT PCIe in my 3800 X2 beast which is faster and has better quality image over my 6600 GT AGP in my 6320 Core 2 duo machine. Please yourself as any of the cards mentioned here will do plenty on the Barton. The 7600 series suggested earlier will make a good upgrade if you need a faster pc later, but the Barton won't get close to using its full potential. Also do you notice how popular the little old Barton was? I have to admit I have a bit of a soft spot for it.

 

[Assimilator1]

At 1.8v vcore the CPU would run extremly hot :Q,I would advise against running that high ,if you want the CPU to last a reasonable time anyway ,personally I wouldn't go over 1.75v.

Also thiers no point in just whacking the vcore up like that,you may just be running it hotter for no reason at all ,stick with the proper way of overclocking by finding the minimium vcore needed for the speed you want ,testing with Prime95 & games etc.