Corvette Z06 vs. Viper TA

[madoka]

http://youtu.be/kSd1aZHqMTg

Both cars were stock and they did seven runs.

Viper 7 - Corvette 0

I'm kinda surprised. IMHO, I thought the Z06 would win at least some of them.

 

[Fenixgoon]

put them on a road course and set what happens (hint, the Z06 will crush the viper)

also, they need to fix the goddamn wind noise. it's almost as bad as having a vertically oriented phone video.

 

[madoka]

put them on a road course and set what happens (hint, the Z06 will crush the viper)

I dunno about that. The TA is no slouch on the track.

 

[rommelrommel]

Stupid roll racing. I'll hold my judgement until I see some more evidence. These are both low 11 cars so there could be something wrong with that z06 or the viper is a ringer.

 

[Viper GTS]

Saw this come up on a Viper forum I frequent, was pleasantly surprised. I really expected the Z06 to make the current Viper completely irrelevant.

Granted this is a TA but still. A full on ACR would probably be a more accurate comparison with the Z06 + Z07 on a track but obviously we don't have one yet.

Viper GTS

 

[Kadarin]

FWIW the guy in the Vette couldn't shift to save his life.

 

[madoka]

Granted this is a TA but still. A full on ACR would probably be a more accurate comparison with the Z06 + Z07 on a track but obviously we don't have one yet.

Doesn't the TA still hold the production car record at Laguna Seca? It handily beat the ZR1 IIRC.

 

[Ferzerp]

Uhhh.... What exactly do you expect? Viper is a bit lighter with almost the same power. Anyone racing these things in straight lines really needs their heads checked. These cars are for turning.


edit: That and these are random folk's youtube videos.

 

[Viper GTS]

Doesn't the TA still hold the production car record at Laguna Seca? It handily beat the ZR1 IIRC.

Short of the 918 and P1, yes. But there is speculation that an even more track oriented ACR is coming (see the 'concept' at SEMA):

http://www.drivesrt.com/news/2014/11/dodge-viper-acr-concept-hits-the-show-floor-at-sema.html

Viper GTS

 

[rommelrommel]

Doesn't the TA still hold the production car record at Laguna Seca? It handily beat the ZR1 IIRC.

If by .08 of a second is handily, then yeah.

I think a new ACR if it comes and the Z06/07 should both push those times by a bit. Winner will be interesting.

 

[madoka]

If by .08 of a second is handily, then yeah.

Hey, I said I was reciting from memory and I thought it was around a 2-3 seconds difference.

Now that I look it up, there are three entries for the ZR1 at Laguna. All of them were 08 models and their times varied from 1:33.70, 1:35.80, and 1:38.70. So depending on what magazine or review you read, the TA (1:33.62) only barely edged out the ZR1 or destroyed it.

 

[Ferzerp]

Short of the 918 and P1, yes. But there is speculation that an even more track oriented ACR is coming (see the 'concept' at SEMA):

http://www.drivesrt.com/news/2014/11/dodge-viper-acr-concept-hits-the-show-floor-at-sema.html

Viper GTS

Of course internet forum goers will think an ACR fails because it will trade straight line acceleration for downforce for cornering (like the Z06 and especially the Z07 packaged Z06 )

 

[Ferzerp]

Hey, I said I was reciting from memory and I thought it was around a 2-3 seconds difference.

Now that I look it up, there are three entries for the ZR1 at Laguna. All of them were 08 models and their times varied from 1:33.70, 1:35.80, and 1:38.70. So depending on what magazine or review you read, the TA (1:33.62) only barely edged out the ZR1 or destroyed it.

Well, the interesting thing about that run is that they are so close, and it wasn't head to head same day times.

Regardless, when they get the C7Z06 out there, there will be a new number 2. (not number one, the 918 time won't be touched any time soon).

 

[madoka]

Regardless, when they get the C7Z06 out there, there will be a new number 2. (not number one, the 918 time won't be touched any time soon).

If the Z06 takes the second spot, then I'd be mightily impressed. The current #2 is the way lighter, way more powerful McLaren P1.

 

[Ferzerp]

If the Z06 takes the second spot, then I'd be mightily impressed. The current #2 is the way lighter, way more powerful McLaren P1.

Well that's a new lap time I haven't seen. I wouldn't be overly surprised if the car is in the very high 1:32s though.

I would expect the P1 to do better than that...

 

[madoka]

edit: That and these are random folk's youtube videos.

Yeah, but it's interesting to see what happens in the hands of everyday drivers with no particular biases or axes to grind.

BTW, the chase car for those shots was a Hennessy ZR1. Pretty badass chase car.

 

[madoka]

I would expect the P1 to do better than that...

Let Randy Pobst drive it around the track like all the other top cars did.

 

[darkswordsman17]

WTF did they do that on a public road?

I don't know if the Vette driver was just bad (really gets whomped when the Vette shifts), maybe babying the car a bit (since it only has 700 miles) or what, but that was a bit surprising, I was expecting more of the opposite.

I'm not shocked that the Z06 isn't really up to its full acceleration potential with the manual as I think the only way you'll get that is with the auto (left in auto mode), but I'm surprised that the Viper beat it every time. The rolling starts would mitigate tires I would think (and I thought the Z06 actually had the better rubber, but it might be optional and likewise the Viper might've had better rubber). Unless the aero package adds that much drag. Considering how close the normal Stingray is to the Viper even in acceleration I just can't imagine that adding nearly 200hp wouldn't tip a drag race in the Vette's favor.

I also wouldn't be shocked to find out that Dodge has made minor improvements to the Viper (actually I think that was almost the entire point of the TA package) that has led to improvement compared to the early media mules.

Stupid roll racing. I'll hold my judgement until I see some more evidence. These are both low 11 cars so there could be something wrong with that z06 or the viper is a ringer.

They do a standing race too, same result.

 

[rommelrommel]

Hey, I said I was reciting from memory and I thought it was around a 2-3 seconds difference.

Now that I look it up, there are three entries for the ZR1 at Laguna. All of them were 08 models and their times varied from 1:33.70, 1:35.80, and 1:38.70. So depending on what magazine or review you read, the TA (1:33.62) only barely edged out the ZR1 or destroyed it.

So if I go toodle a TA around Laguna in 1:44 do we get to say that the ZR1 destroyed the TA?

AFAIK virtually everyone goes by the fastest time.

 

[rommelrommel]

WTF did they do that on a public road?

I don't know if the Vette driver was just bad (really gets whomped when the Vette shifts), maybe babying the car a bit (since it only has 700 miles) or what, but that was a bit surprising, I was expecting more of the opposite.

I'm not shocked that the Z06 isn't really up to its full acceleration potential with the manual as I think the only way you'll get that is with the auto (left in auto mode), but I'm surprised that the Viper beat it every time. The rolling starts would mitigate tires I would think (and I thought the Z06 actually had the better rubber, but it might be optional and likewise the Viper might've had better rubber). Unless the aero package adds that much drag. Considering how close the normal Stingray is to the Viper even in acceleration I just can't imagine that adding nearly 200hp wouldn't tip a drag race in the Vette's favor.

I also wouldn't be shocked to find out that Dodge has made minor improvements to the Viper (actually I think that was almost the entire point of the TA package) that has led to improvement compared to the early media mules.



They do a standing race too, same result.

I'm not sure what aero it has, but it clearly isn't the Z07, so it's not super high drag and it wouldn't have sport cup 2's either.

 

[madoka]

So if I go toodle a TA around Laguna in 1:44 do we get to say that the ZR1 destroyed the TA?

No, it wouldn't because we are going by the fastest times. The ZR1's range shows what is possible. In this particular case, the ZR1's times depended on whether it had the optional PDE Performance Package, which included better tires and lighter wheels.

 

[Subyman]

Was expecting to see a motortrend video or something, all I got was two douchebags racing on the highway. Corvette either has a school bus transmission or the guy has never been in a manual before.