Corvette C7 Z06

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Ferzerp

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KentState said:
The Nismo is pretty bad ass, but from a C&D article..



So the car isn't the same as the one you can currently buy in the dealership. Wonder what the options that total up to nearly $200k buy you.
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In other words, the accurate comparison for that is against the c7.r Good luck there ;)

I like how the poster above called others "butthurt" when he was using misleading numbers to try to make a false point.
 
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Also, Nissan won't disclose how much boost the car was running for that lap... it could be on the verge of death after a few laps, nor have any actually been delivered. The GT-R Nismo that's being delivered in the summer is not the car that ran a 7:08 on the ring... which should be painfully obvious. There's no way that 55hp and mild aero tweaks buys you 30 seconds on the ring.
 
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Regardless of which of the two cars is faster, pretty amazing that the US and Japan can do this for around $100k which is mildly obtainable while it takes much more to even come close from other manufacturers.
 
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rommelrommel said:
Also, Nissan won't disclose how much boost the car was running for that lap... it could be on the verge of death after a few laps, nor have any actually been delivered. The GT-R Nismo that's being delivered in the summer is not the car that ran a 7:08 on the ring... which should be painfully obvious. There's no way that 55hp and mild aero tweaks buys you 30 seconds on the ring.
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I love how when the GT-R was introduced, each engine "was unique" because of hand built, blah, blah blah.
In other words, they have "ringers". Similar to Detroit in the 60's sending ringers to hot rod magazines for reviews.
 
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JackBurton

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KentState said:
The Nismo is pretty bad ass, but from a C&D article..



So the car isn't the same as the one you can currently buy in the dealership. Wonder what the options that total up to nearly $200k buy you.
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Screw that. For $200K I could send a brand new GT-R to AMS and have them install a 1500hp Alpha 12 package.
 
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KentState said:
Regardless of which of the two cars is faster, pretty amazing that the US and Japan can do this for around $100k which is mildly obtainable while it takes much more to even come close from other manufacturers.
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It is not that the other guys can't do it for $100k, it is simply that they don't have to. Who would buy a $100k Lambo? Almost none of the current Lambo market. They are not just selling a car, they are selling an image. Nobody gets that image with a GT-R or a Vette.
 
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KentState said:
So the car isn't the same as the one you can currently buy in the dealership. Wonder what the options that total up to nearly $200k buy you.
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Word from GTR guys is that it's going to run around $150K in the U.S.
 
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Ferzerp said:
In other words, the accurate comparison for that is against the c7.r Good luck there ;)

I like how the poster above called others "butthurt" when he was using misleading numbers to try to make a false point.
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If you can get away from your fanboyism, you would have noticed that the regular 2013 GTR is also faster around the Nurburing than the ZR1. The Nismo GTR pretty much destroys everything else.
 
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rommelrommel said:
Also, Nissan won't disclose how much boost the car was running for that lap... it could be on the verge of death after a few laps, nor have any actually been delivered. The GT-R Nismo that's being delivered in the summer is not the car that ran a 7:08 on the ring... which should be painfully obvious. There's no way that 55hp and mild aero tweaks buys you 30 seconds on the ring.
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You shouldn't spread FUD if you don't know what you are talking about. It is the same car you can buy. Nissan makes a point of saying that.

The 2013 GTR runs the ring 11 seconds slower than the Nismo, not 30 seconds. Is it so hard to believe that a 600+ HP engine (versus 545 HP) and aero tweaks can get 11 more seconds?
 
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can we get back to discussing the C7 Z06 instead of talking about the GTR?

hell, the original comparison i made was "The C7 Z06 was faster than the ZR1, so it's going to give anything short of a hypercar a good run for the money"

then somehow we got tracked to "well the GTR is faster than a ZR1", which is dandy, but that tells us nothing about its performance relative to a C7 Z06, seeing as the word "faster" is qualitative, not quantitative. also, GTRs do not sell for under $100k now, IIRC, and a C7 Z06 will probably top out at 100k (seeing as the C6 Z07 was 90k)
 
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Ferzerp

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Fenixgoon said:
can we get back to discussing the C7 Z06 instead of talking about the GTR?

hell, the original comparison i made was "The C7 Z06 was faster than the ZR1, so it's going to give anything short of a hypercar a good run for the money"

then somehow we got tracked to "well the GTR is faster than a ZR1", which is dandy, but that tells us nothing about its performance relative to a C7 Z06, seeing as the word "faster" is qualitative, not quantitative. also, GTRs do not sell for under $100k now, IIRC, and a C7 Z06 will probably top out at 100k (seeing as the C6 Z07 was 90k)
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Ferzerp

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The normal c7 (stingray) comes with a 7 speed manual too!
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Yup, but extra gears are not really for performance at all. Generally it just means you have more cruising gears, and it's the same here unless the z06 is geared drastically differently from the z51 (which they may, as the z51 is geared slightly differently from the non-z51). People never really grasp this for some reason ;)
 
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madoka said:
You shouldn't spread FUD if you don't know what you are talking about. It is the same car you can buy. Nissan makes a point of saying that.

The 2013 GTR runs the ring 11 seconds slower than the Nismo, not 30 seconds. Is it so hard to believe that a 600+ HP engine (versus 545 HP) and aero tweaks can get 11 more seconds?
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What's the FUD? Nissan has delivered ZERO Nismo GTR's. They make a point of stating that the Nismo will have an available "track pack" on top of that but they don't say what's in it. Why won't they say how much boost and HP they were running to get that 7:08?

The ZR1 has a 130ish HP advantage and picks up a whole 3 seconds over the Z06.

If you look at what it takes to pick up time on the ring 11 seconds is a LOT. Pretty much every article written about the Nismo's time is suspect that the car was pushing WAY more than 600 HP and that the aero tweaks will not be on the delivered car, especially that massive wing.

But hey, when the 2015 Z06/Z07 hits the track it should be interesting. I could see it possibly beating the Nismo... and actual Nismo's should be getting to dealers at about the same time. Comparison test!
 
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Ferzerp said:
Yup, but extra gears are not really for performance at all. Generally it just means you have more cruising gears, and it's the same here unless the z06 is geared drastically differently from the z51 (which they may, as the z51 is geared slightly differently from the non-z51). People never really grasp this for some reason ;)
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It gives you the ability to make more aggressive gearing in the lower gears which CAN result in performance.
 
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Ferzerp said:
Show me a manual car that has done so, and I'll agree with you. It really just doesn't happen.
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I believe that the auto will be a 1:1 6th gear. The manual really won't make much sense to get too aggressive with the gearing. The previous Z06 has less aggressive gearing than the base and was able to hit 60 I believe in 1st. When power goes up, aggressive gearing doesn't help, especially on a manual. Ford went with a very lower rear-end on the GT500 to help with launching for example.
 
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Ferzerp

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KentState said:
I believe that the auto will be a 1:1 6th gear. The manual really won't make much sense to get too aggressive with the gearing. The previous Z06 has less aggressive gearing than the base and was able to hit 60 I believe in 1st. When power goes up, aggressive gearing doesn't help, especially on a manual. Ford went with a very lower rear-end on the GT500 to help with launching for example.
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Yup. Exactly my point. The GT500's are traction limited all through 1st (which does go over 60 as well). In less than perfect situations it is traction limited through much of 2nd as well (which hits mid 90s). Extra gears won't do squat in that scenario.


Oh yeah, and I've decided to get one of these as long as the lower end ones are loaded similar to a 3LT stingray ;)
 
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