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Corsair HX650 enough for i7 930 build?

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While the Antec might be a fine unit, there's absolutely nothing wrong with getting an HX650.
Well, there is the price (here in Germany the HX650 sells for about 100€, while the Truepower New is more than 10€ cheaper.

And it's a modern design with VRMs for the minor rails.
Good call on both counts, the 5850 is a great card and the HX750 may be the best PSU that Corsair currently sells. It's made by CWT and it's a real beast, it'll output 850W+ at 40C without even flinching.
Why should he need a 750W PSU?!
And there are better 750W Units on the market, like the Seasonic M12D or the similar XFX Black Edition, 750W.
 
They'll run fine at rated load for gaming, for the life of the unit. The HX650 can handle 700W+ for extended periods of time @40C, it's not gonna hurt it.
And the "life of the unit" will end up being much shorter, that's the whole point. The closer you get to the maximum output, the more stress you put on the caps and other components and the more wear and tear they get. While I'm fully of the Church of You Don't Need That High Wattage PSU, you still have to buy sensibly and understand the restrictions of the hardware. A PSU running a daily load of <70% its maximum wattage rating is going to be much happier and last longer than one that gets close to maximum rating. Hence, if these systems are pulling 585W from the wall at stock, at only 80% efficiency the unit would be putting out at least 470W, which is already over 70% of its maximum rated load. Factor in overclocking the cards as well, and you're further into the red zone.

I'll I'm saying is do the math before you purchase. Either way, the 5850(s) paired with an HX650 is a fine match up.
 
Why should he need a 750W PSU?!
And there are better 750W Units on the market, like the Seasonic M12D or the similar XFX Black Edition, 750W.

"Need?" No, but it is one of the finest PSUs ever made by anyone. That's not bad for $140. The CWT-made HX PSUs really are that good.

And the "life of the unit" will end up being much shorter, that's the whole point. The closer you get to the maximum output, the more stress you put on the caps and other components and the more wear and tear they get. While I'm fully of the Church of You Don't Need That High Wattage PSU, you still have to buy sensibly and understand the restrictions of the hardware. A PSU running a daily load of <70&#37; its maximum wattage rating is going to be much happier and last longer than one that gets close to maximum rating. Hence, if these systems are pulling 585W from the wall at stock, at only 80% efficiency the unit would be putting out at least 470W, which is already over 70% of its maximum rated load. Factor in overclocking the cards as well, and you're further into the red zone.

It would last through it's dizzyingly long 7 year warranty, and then you'd be ready for your next Corsair beasty. If for some reason it does croak? They'll send you another, and do it with a smile and a "thank you". The HX650 pulled 760W in the hot box, 760W.
 
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It would last through it's dizzyingly long 7 year warranty, and then you'd be ready for your next Corsair beasty. If for some reason it does croak? They'll send you another, and do it with a smile and a "thank you". The HX650 pulled 760W in the hot box, 760W.
The problem is, when a PSU "croaks," it can take your entire system with it. Corsair PSU's are fantastic (hell, I own one), and I'm well aware they can put out well more than they're rated for. All I'm pointing out is the theory and proper safety measures that should be taken when selecting a PSU for your rig. You want to throw caution to the wind, be my guest, just so long as you're informed, I've done my part.
 
Corsair 750 is definitely a great supply. The corsair PSU's have been to expensive though for my tastes. I think you are paying more for brandname. There are a ton of other great supplies as well for a cheaper price. Just have to look around.

I personally own the CoolerMaster Real Power Pro 850 watt made by Enhance Electronics and the Antec Quattro 850 watt made by Channel Well. Both are fantastic power supplies as well and I got them at a steal when I was looking around. Just be sure to do your homework and look at reviews for any power supply you are considering buying.
 
The problem is, when a PSU "croaks," it can take your entire system with it. Corsair PSU's are fantastic (hell, I own one), and I'm well aware they can put out well more than they're rated for. All I'm pointing out is the theory and proper safety measures that should be taken when selecting a PSU for your rig. You want to throw caution to the wind, be my guest, just so long as you're informed, I've done my part.

No, it will run fine for gaming within it's rated spec for the life of the unit, which is at least as long as it's warranty period. "Padding" probably is important for lower quality units, but not so for the top tier. Again, I'm not saying to run it 24/7 at 650W and see how long it lasts, though I do believe it would last a lot longer than you think, but for gaming sessions there won't be any issues.

I did like the whole drama of it blowing up and "taking out your entire system" and "throwing caution to the wind", that's good stuff. Maybe you could write a Bruckheimer movie.
 
No, it will run fine for gaming within it's rated spec for the life of the unit, which is at least as long as it's warranty period. "Padding" probably is important for lower quality units, but not so for the top tier. Again, I'm not saying to run it 24/7 at 650W and see how long it lasts, though I do believe it would last a lot longer than you think, but for gaming sessions there won't be any issues.
Components are rated for a reason. Like I said, be my guest to follow them or not, although your stance is ironic considering you're using an HX650 to run only an i7 and a 5850.

I did like the whole drama of it blowing up and "taking out your entire system" and "throwing caution to the wind", that's good stuff. Maybe you could write a Bruckheimer movie.
That's what PSU's do when the die, since, surprise, they power the whole system. Sounds like you need more experience in this area before you start giving more advice.
 
Dude, the ATX spec requires that a PSU not kill the components it's attached to if it happens to fail. Now, for lower quality units that doesn't always happen, but that's not the same as Corsair and other top shelf brands. Could it still happen? Sure, anything can happen, but it's very unlikely. Like I said before, it's been thoroughly tested in a hot box for hours at 760W, it'll be fine for gaming at it's rating.

Seriously, if you can't trust Corsair's very conservative rating for the time that you're playing a game, what's the point of the rating at all? By all accounts, they could have just put a 750W stamp on the thing and sold it like that. I fairs better at that output than almost anyone else's 750s anyway.

I use an HX650 because I wanted a modular Corsair and the HX520 was no longer available. It helps that I also got it on sale for $95.
 
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I personally own the CoolerMaster Real Power Pro 850 watt made by Enhance Electronics and the Antec Quattro 850 watt made by Channel Well.

All 3 Antec Truepower Quattros are also made by Enhance. The TPQ 850 is just a different platform than the Coolermaster RPP 850. Antec hasn't had a PSU made by Channel Well since the Smartpower 2.0 and Truepower II days
 
Dude, the ATX spec requires that a PSU not kill the components it's attached to if it happens to fail. Now, for lower quality units that doesn't always happen, but that's not the same as Corsair and other top shelf brands. Could it still happen? Sure, anything can happen, but it's very unlikely. Like I said before, it's been thoroughly tested in a hot box for hours at 760W, it'll be fine for gaming at it's rating.
If you have a link to the hot box test for hours at 760W, I'd like to see it, as that is impressive. As I said, I'm just discussing is a set of safety measures to consider when buying a PSU. Going back to the original discussion, I had stated that a 650W unit isn't sufficient for GTX 470 SLI on an i7-based system, since it can load close to the PSU's max rating during normal gaming with only a slight overclock. Hence I suggested the 750W unit, and even the 850W wouldn't be unreasonable, especially if you run a system with more peripherals than a barebone test bench (which many power consumption measurements are taken on).
Seriously, if you can't trust Corsair's very conservative rating for the time that you're playing a game, what's the point of the rating at all? By all accounts, they could have just put a 750W stamp on the thing and sold it like that. I fairs better at that output than almost anyone else's 750s anyway.
I do trust it, that's why I purchased one. Again though, why tempt fate? Using a loose car analogy, that's like low gearing a transmission or rear-end and running 4K+ RPMs on the highway because "you're only ever going to go as fast as 70MPH." Sure, the car can do it, but it isn't doing the engine any favors, and it would have been much wiser to pick up a better gearing ratio or a trans with one more gear.

I use an HX650 because I wanted a modular Corsair and the HX520 was no longer available. It helps that I also got it on sale for $95.
That's more or less what I thought and wanted you to say. The differences in price are usually small enough that it's not too much of a sacrifice to give yourself that extra buffer. Anyway, considering I'm now discussing this with car analogies, I think I've gone off track far enough. I'll agree to disagree, I don't want to derail the OP's thread further 😛.
 
All 3 Antec Truepower Quattros are also made by Enhance. The TPQ 850 is just a different platform than the Coolermaster RPP 850. Antec hasn't had a PSU made by Channel Well since the Smartpower 2.0 and Truepower II days

Oops, got the Antec confused with the Thermaltake Toughpower 850 I had at one point. That was CWT. As well as my older Truepower II back in the day.
 
If you have a link to the hot box test for hours at 760W, I'd like to see it, as that is impressive. As I said, I'm just discussing is a set of safety measures to consider when buying a PSU. Going back to the original discussion, I had stated that a 650W unit isn't sufficient for GTX 470 SLI on an i7-based system, since it can load close to the PSU's max rating during normal gaming with only a slight overclock. Hence I suggested the 750W unit, and even the 850W wouldn't be unreasonable, especially if you run a system with more peripherals than a barebone test bench (which many power consumption measurements are taken on).

I do trust it, that's why I purchased one. Again though, why tempt fate? Using a loose car analogy, that's like low gearing a transmission or rear-end and running 4K+ RPMs on the highway because "you're only ever going to go as fast as 70MPH." Sure, the car can do it, but it isn't doing the engine any favors, and it would have been much wiser to pick up a better gearing ratio or a trans with one more gear.

That's more or less what I thought and wanted you to say. The differences in price are usually small enough that it's not too much of a sacrifice to give yourself that extra buffer. Anyway, considering I'm now discussing this with car analogies, I think I've gone off track far enough. I'll agree to disagree, I don't want to derail the OP's thread further 😛.
I think what may be misunderstood here is "max rating" and "suggested rating", the HX650 has a "suggested rating" of 650W @50C. They do this because it's what the PSU is rated to safely run at for the life of the unit. As far as I know, Corsair doesn't use the term "max rating", and it doesn't apply to their power products. The question at hand is, "will the HX650 comfortably handle 650W with normal use?" Well, Corsair sure thinks so, and given their track record they wouldn't stamp that suggested rating on it if they didn't.

Now, if you want to buy a 750W for this application, more power to you (har har). The HX750 will put out a staggering 950W at 50C, and it seems the guys at Jonnyguru tried to kill it, but they couldn't, even at 30&#37; over rating. 😉 Thing is, it's also on average ~$50 more expensive. It's up to the builder to decide if it's worth that extra Grant leaving his wallet. Especially when the 650 is guaranteed by Corsair to do the job.

If there had been a modular 550W Corsair available, for a decent amount of money less, I would have bought it instead. In fact, I had originally decided to get the HX520, but the supply of them with reputable etailers had dried up. At the same time, the normally $120 HX650 turned up with a $20 coupon and 5% BCB, so the decision was really easy.

Also, I was mistaken, it ran at 722W out @50C at overclock3D. I know I saw a German test at one point pushing it to 750W, but I can't find it. Maybe it was the HX620. http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/power_supply/corsair_hx650w_650w_atx_psu/4

Anyway, sorry to take this so far off track, I guess we can just agree to disagree.
 
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Don't waste your breath...if it isn't made by Seasonic or HEC, he will badmouth it.
Where did I hype a HEC?!
Surely not here (in German, but look at the tables).

Oh and by the way: that bad F word is mostly used by such...
And I forgot: you'll buy a Corsair HX650 for 100 bucks, while a TP-650 is over 10 Bucks cheaper and I don't know if you know but there are others than corsair...
 
Where did I hype a HEC?!
Surely not here (in German, but look at the tables).

Oh and by the way: that bad F word is mostly used by such...
And I forgot: you'll buy a Corsair HX650 for 100 bucks, while a TP-650 is over 10 Bucks cheaper and I don't know if you know but there are others than corsair...

I've recommended the TPN over the HX650 numerous times...looking at my posting history on Jonnyguru, I see I even recommended the M12D over the Corsair HX750 before...and if you can stand the fan, I've recommende the XFX black edition over it as well.

I know very well there are PSUs other than Corsair, I've recommended them and bought them.

But I also recognize that most of the PSUs that Corsiar sells are also damn good. Sometimes there are better and cheaper PSUs out there, sometimes there aren't.

You think "Corsair is not that special". I disagree...and I will point that out when I think you are thread crapping just to dismiss Corsair. It has nothing to do with being a Corsair fanboy, because I would gladdly buy the Enermax Revo + over the HX1000, or the Seasonic X-750 over the HX750. It is more about contradicting what I see as misleading advice.

I don't think your advice is bad when you recommend the TPN or the M12D....but I do think it is misleading when you rip on Corsair for using CWT as an OEM, or for having smaller heatsinks...in a power supply that has little heat to dissipate.
 
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"Need?" No, but it is one of the finest PSUs ever made by anyone. That's not bad for $140. The CWT-made HX PSUs really are that good.
No, it's not.
It's not that bad but it lacks Overcurrent Protection (60/70A on +12V), so it can be quite dangerous (imagine: the voltage regulators of your graphics card don't work properly due to a slight short circuit to ground, so it consumes a little more, wich results in a slightly embarrassed cable, wich is so embarrassed that it's givin smoke signs, you'll get the rest, do you?), the heatsinks don't deserve that description, they're just some aluminium blocks, so there are some complaints about the noise, at least in some german forums.

One of the finest PSU ever made by anyone isn't the right description for that, that's reserved for others, that really deserve that!!
Oh and by the way: I'm a fan of dual PCB designs, like my NMB Unit, wich really was one of the finest PSUs ever made by anyone, at that time...
What I'm saying is: there always is someone who's better!
I don't think your advice is bad when you recommend the TPN or the M12D....but I do think it is misleading when you rip on Corsair for using CWT as an OEM, or for having smaller heatsinks...in a power supply that has little heat to dissipate.
Cooling performance depends on 2 things:
air flow and surface area (OK, air resistance is another point).
So with less surface, you'll need more air flowing, so the fan has to spin faster, wich results in more noise.

If I'm not mistaken, the heat generrated in that HX850 could be about 150W, so do you really thing that those aluminium plates are enough for 150W of heat?
 
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Paul Johnson @ HardOCP said:
As it stands today then, the Corsair HX850W easily stands with other marquee 850W units such as the Antec Signature 850, Seasonic M12D-850, and the Enermax Revolution85+ 850W. This is simply one of the best 850W units we have seen bar none.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/05/27/corsair_hx850w_power_supply/9

Oklahoma Wolf @ jonnyguru.com said:
I can't in good conscience give the Antec 850W units perfect scores here and then go knocking points off on this unit, so here you go Corsair... your first 10 from me in performance.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story5&reid=153

I choose to listen to the opinions of people who know what they are talking about
 
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I choose to listen to the opinions of people who know what they are talking about

Well said. I'll trust the professionals at Jonnyguru and HardOCP over "just some guy" on Anandtech forums.

So, again, the Corsair HX750 & 850 really are the best in their class. Not only are they as good as any other PSU made, but they have superior CS and warranty.
 
So, again, the Corsair HX750 & 850 really are the best in their class. .

I wouldn't go that far...I think the Antec Signature, PC P&C Silencer (R.I.P.) XFX Black Edition, Seasonic M12D and Enermax Revo+ are all just as good.

I am waiting for the Seasonic X-850 and above...those suckers could be mind numbingly awesome...bring your wallet though...
 
I was lumping in the product itself with the CS and warranty. Combined, I'd put them at the top of that class.

Yeah, the X-850 will be something to see, I look forward to OKWolf getting his paws on one.
 
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