Corrupt Principal...Advice Needed.

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Joeyman
kids are forced to go to school. So if they're forced why not give them a high quality education.

Why spend resources on people who don't want to learn, when not enough is spent on those that do want to learn(i.e. magnet schools)?
I just don't understand why we should teach anyone anything they don't want to learn. If they want to walk around being a moron it is their fault entirely.

You obviously have no clue how society works. ALOT of kids do end up becoming valued members of society because they were "forced" to go to school.

 

[Nitemare]

The Board of Education had its purpose quite like welfare, but each has overstayed their welcome. Abolish the Board of Education and give vouchers to kids so that they can go where they want.

<---Will be homeschooling my kid. No way in hell will I subject them to the horror that is a public education

 

[alkemyst]

This is spreading across the nation.

In my brother's area of Shreveport, LA:

More than two teachers had every student bring in a certain box of 'special' pens, markers and chalk. Also various paper supplies, glues, and the like. This is each student supplying about 12-20 of each. One of those teachers was seen at a local flea market selling them. When approached he said it was for the good of the classroom and he only kept his expenses.

The same type of $5 a slice pizza fundraisers where if you didn't buy you had to sit outside the classroom on the non airconditioned side. Total bullcrap, the money was said to be for supplies, but these same teachers had the 'materials lists' sent home with each student.

Students that did not participate or didn't bring in the supplies had their names listed on the blackboard. Also on tests a couple teachers put 'reminder' boxes on the very top listing the same students.

Lunchroom was deemed a quiet zone....no talking except to order food ?!?

When my brother went in to discuss he was doubletalked and told as a non-teacher he wouldn't understand modern teaching practices. Sadly most of the area is undereducated. My brother happens to be a Chief Technical Officer for a large company plus own his own business using his CCIE cert. He gets propositioned for donations by teachers privately...these are not 'school fundraisers', but classroom ones. When he doesn't pay the teacher makes sure to find a way to bring up those affluent parents that did not have the generosity to donate.

&Aring;

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
The Board of Education had its purpose quite like welfare, but each has overstayed their welcome. Abolish the Board of Education and give vouchers to kids so that they can go where they want.

<---Will be homeschooling my kid. No way in hell will I subject them to the horror that is a public education

Without the Board of Education who would dicate these so called vouchers.

Also 'vouchers' are a sort of welfare as well. Given for those to help afford something they couldn't....the value you get is much more than any actual taxes someone may have paid.

Homeschooling I have been around, almost all of these kids develop attitudes where they are superior (artificially) and/or terrible introversion/fear of normal things. The baptists love home schooling as it's mostly used as brain washing.

The purpose of elementary and even middle schools are more of a socialization than utter knowledge. You learn valuable skills of how the world operates when mommy and daddy aren't around to say little Johnny is always right.

Other than the school problems...today's parents are another. I have witnessed parents along with children using shopping carts to empty all the garbage from there cars/suvs/minivans, one parent watching his kid kick another's parked car and saying 'you will teach them it's not nice to park like that', parents watching their kids destroy toys, tons more. Usually I do get involved in these things as it could be my car or my shop on the receiving end of this vandalizm / rudeness.

The top story was a group of about 20-30 kids and adults outside a movie theatre in a pretty trendy/upscale neighborhood. Apparently while they were waiting the parents and kids took turns beating on a jewelry stores glass until the alarms went off and police came. This happened a few times until the cops watched it happen. When they approached the parents they were told things like "do you know who I am?", "what's a cop make, like minimum wage?", "I am an attorney. This is a free country, I can pound on any glass I would like"...etc.

No arrests were made, but a couple non-named citations were issued.

This is today's adults.

&Aring;

 

[darktubbly]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
This is spreading across the nation.

In my brother's area of Shreveport, LA:

More than two teachers had every student bring in a certain box of 'special' pens, markers and chalk. Also various paper supplies, glues, and the like. This is each student supplying about 12-20 of each. One of those teachers was seen at a local flea market selling them. When approached he said it was for the good of the classroom and he only kept his expenses.

The same type of $5 a slice pizza fundraisers where if you didn't buy you had to sit outside the classroom on the non airconditioned side. Total bullcrap, the money was said to be for supplies, but these same teachers had the 'materials lists' sent home with each student.

Students that did not participate or didn't bring in the supplies had their names listed on the blackboard. Also on tests a couple teachers put 'reminder' boxes on the very top listing the same students.

Lunchroom was deemed a quiet zone....no talking except to order food ?!?

When my brother went in to discuss he was doubletalked and told as a non-teacher he wouldn't understand modern teaching practices. Sadly most of the area is undereducated. My brother happens to be a Chief Technical Officer for a large company plus own his own business using his CCIE cert. He gets propositioned for donations by teachers privately...these are not 'school fundraisers', but classroom ones. When he doesn't pay the teacher makes sure to find a way to bring up those affluent parents that did not have the generosity to donate.

&Aring;

alkemyst, this is almost exactly what's going on here (except that the principal is the only one doing this). For the most part, the parents are in the low income bracket; most of the kids here are on the free lunches program. Anyway, I've contacted a few local news stations and am trying to get in touch with the local PTA to see if anyone is as angry about this as I am.

 

[imported_Ziggy]

<----- is homeshcooled

 

[SherEPunjab]

school vouchers was important for me. surprisingly, only GW even moderately favors them. fact is, our public school teachers have a very powerful lobby - and make up an important voting block, it sad how this country gets its arm twisted anytime a good solution comes up to help improve something, they pub. teachers WANT to get their benefits, whatever pay they get, and be lousy at the same time and have a hard time being fired. (not all are lousy, but from my experience in all Texas EXEMPLARY rated schools, most are). Heck, I remember so-called substitute teachers that didn't know jack, and so never challenged us, they probably didn't want to take us too far for their own shortcomings. many of these so-called substitutes stuck for the entire year. In high school, i remember one teacher who traded notes with high school girls about sex. she talked about how her husband didn't give it to her good, in front of the whole class! wtf? where do they find these people? and dont' get me started on the bus drivers. most of them probably have criminal records.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
school vouchers was important for me. surprisingly, only GW even moderately favors them. fact is, our public school teachers have a very powerful lobby - and make up an important voting block, it sad how this country gets its arm twisted anytime a good solution comes up to help improve something, they pub. teachers WANT to get their benefits, whatever pay they get, and be lousy at the same time and have a hard time being fired. (not all are lousy, but from my experience in all Texas EXEMPLARY rated schools, most are). Heck, I remember so-called substitute teachers that didn't know jack, and so never challenged us, they probably didn't want to take us too far for their own shortcomings. many of these so-called substitutes stuck for the entire year. In high school, i remember one teacher who traded notes with high school girls about sex. she talked about how her husband didn't give it to her good, in front of the whole class! wtf? where do they find these people? and dont' get me started on the bus drivers. most of them probably have criminal records.

It has to do with many non-college teachers needing master's degrees to teach at around $28-33k a year. What happens is public schools get the stuff that filters down mostly. I know of a few great lower level teachers that are into it for the teaching and not the income.

One of my friends is a Social Worker. She makes like $35k a year tops (I think less). She has two Master's degrees, but this is what she wants to do. There are people with single Master's making her same money as there is only so much they will pay for this job. There are also screw ups that come there because they can't hold down more higher paying jobs.

&Aring;

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
school vouchers was important for me. surprisingly, only GW even moderately favors them. fact is, our public school teachers have a very powerful lobby - and make up an important voting block, it sad how this country gets its arm twisted anytime a good solution comes up to help improve something, they pub. teachers WANT to get their benefits, whatever pay they get, and be lousy at the same time and have a hard time being fired. (not all are lousy, but from my experience in all Texas EXEMPLARY rated schools, most are). Heck, I remember so-called substitute teachers that didn't know jack, and so never challenged us, they probably didn't want to take us too far for their own shortcomings. many of these so-called substitutes stuck for the entire year. In high school, i remember one teacher who traded notes with high school girls about sex. she talked about how her husband didn't give it to her good, in front of the whole class! wtf? where do they find these people? and dont' get me started on the bus drivers. most of them probably have criminal records.

It has to do with many non-college teachers needing master's degrees to teach at around $28-33k a year. What happens is public schools get the stuff that filters down mostly. I know of a few great lower level teachers that are into it for the teaching and not the income.

One of my friends is a Social Worker. She makes like $35k a year tops (I think less). She has two Master's degrees, but this is what she wants to do. There are people with single Master's making her same money as there is only so much they will pay for this job. There are also screw ups that come there because they can't hold down more higher paying jobs.

&Aring;

ufortunately, there are not more ppl like you're friend. i'm sure she is a great teacher, but most of them aren't from my experience, and that too in a very wealthy district, where you would think ample funds equates to a better education.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

ufortunately, there are not more ppl like you're friend. i'm sure she is a great teacher, but most of them aren't from my experience, and that too in a very wealthy district, where you would think ample funds equates to a better education.

It doesn't work that way. Your teachers in the same geographical area (say a county) are all paid similarly. Whether the ghetto, burbs or city in that county.

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