Corrected title: Now the GOP has accomplished massive tax reform

[Jhhnn]

I don't want to oversimplify things, but cutting is always hard. Those like me who have had personal experience in their own house know this, but cutting is hard. There are many retraining programs available (changing with the times etc) and getting federal spending under control will take a national effort. In the case of the military, there are soooo many "black book" operations that can be cut. Globally we have a far greater footprint than we need. For perspective, I have a good friend who is retired special forces who now works for Blackwater. His specialty is urban warfare, and has been stationed in Iraq for the last 5 years, 4 months at a time. He echoes what I just said.

As far as SS, Medicare and Medicaid go, they need desperately to be overhauled. The bureaucracy, hoops, and inefficiency is staggering. Again I speak with some authority as my brother and mother both receive federal assistance.

So, uhh, why do we need to cut? I mean, other than to reduce deficits created by tax cuts for the Rich?

You're essentially calling for sacrifice from America's most vulnerable citizens so that billionaires can get money they don't need. It won't change their lifestyles at all. It just gives them more power to inflict their will & their Gilded Age vision of society on the rest of us.

The rest is the usual anecdotal bullshit of conservative propaganda & completely contrary to my personal experience with both SS & Medicare. SSDI & associated efforts are another story, particularly when the GOP is in charge. Fixing that will cost money, not save it.

 

[greatnoob]

First, since when are services being cut? Second, when have I ever...EVER...supported that? And third, my patience with you is gone. You don't seem to have any comprehension whatsoever, and the best you can do is personally attack and call names. Sorry, but I don't play on children's playgrounds, so rant on.

And no. In not blocking you. It's fun watching kids play 🙂

You're now backtracking and saying you DONT support reducing spending despite wanting this tax cut so badly? Hahahaa.

Good riddance, you're an absolute idiot. Everybody's patience here has gone thin trying to explain and correct your constantly contradictory positions. Get an education.

 

[ivwshane]

First, you say the tax cuts didn't help the economy. I agree to a point, but more importantly they helped the families that got the money. Ask any of the families who received a check if they want to send it back.

Having an extra $20 is helpful. Helping the economy grow is an entirely different thing altogether. The Bush tax cuts, like these tax cuts were touted as growth inducing. They aren't. Tax cuts are the least productive thing congress can do to spur growth.

Second, I have stated this bill isn't perfect and there are things I DON'T like. However, the 1.5T over ten years isn't economy crushing. It's less than 3.75% per year. Which I also stated SHOULD have been and COULD have paid via military cuts. But they didn't.

No one ever said it was economy crushing, however many have said they are stupid and more than likely will not achieve their stated goal (greater than 3% growth).

Finally, I think taxes are for the same things you do...federal projects, federal responsibilities, social responsibilities, and federal defense. The difference between you and I is I think the government side funds too many pet projects, overspends on it's responsibilities, and takes in far more than it needs. You, and many others, feel the opposite.

Holy straw man! I at least had the courtesy to acknowledge that I was making assumptions about you.

Just to set the record straight, I prefer government to be as efficient as possible, the size of government is irrelevant. These tax cuts are horribly inefficient and so hastily passed that I'm sure there will be plenty of unintended consequences.

Enjoy them and enjoy the unintended consequences that will come, you own it.

 

[blackangst1]

So, uhh, why do we need to cut? I mean, other than to reduce deficits created by tax cuts for the Rich?

And the middle class. You conveniently forgot about them.

You're essentially calling for sacrifice from America's most vulnerable citizens so that billionaires can get money they don't need. It won't change their lifestyles at all. It just gives them more power to inflict their will & their Gilded Age vision of society on the rest of us.

I wasnt aware the military is the country's most vulnerable citizens. Can you explain?

The rest is the usual anecdotal bullshit of conservative propaganda & completely contrary to my personal experience with both SS & Medicare. SSDI & associated efforts are another story, particularly when the GOP is in charge. Fixing that will cost money, not save it.

And the usual progressive talking points with nothing of value to add. Thanks. Predictable from you.

 

[blackangst1]

Holy straw man! I at least had the courtesy to acknowledge that I was making assumptions about you.

Just to set the record straight, I prefer government to be as efficient as possible, the size of government is irrelevant. These tax cuts are horribly inefficient and so hastily passed that I'm sure there will be plenty of unintended consequences.

Enjoy them and enjoy the unintended consequences that will come, you own it.

Then I guess we'll agree to disagree 🙂 Im ok with that.

 

[blackangst1]

You're now backtracking and saying you DONT support reducing spending despite wanting this tax cut so badly? Hahahaa.

Good riddance, you're an absolute idiot. Everybody's patience here has gone thin trying to explain and correct your constantly contradictory positions. Get an education.

Would you like me to link all the times I said Id like to see spending in military cut? I will if you'd like. Seems you have a failure to read. Or memory. Or something.

 

[Jhhnn]

And the middle class. You conveniently forgot about them.


I wasnt aware the military is the country's most vulnerable citizens. Can you explain?

And the usual progressive talking points with nothing of value to add. Thanks. Predictable from you.

The vast majority of tax cutting goes to the Richest. Middle class cuts are there just to buy complicity from the rubes for peanuts. Even then most benefits go to the more affluent. Your calls to "reform" SS & Medicare are the usual code speak for cutting benefits.

 

[dank69]

Would you like me to link all the times I said Id like to see spending in military cut? I will if you'd like. Seems you have a failure to read. Or memory. Or something.

It doesn't matter what you want. All that matters is what will actually happen. These tax cuts will automatically trigger cuts to Medicare and Medicaid. The only reason they haven't already is because the GOP slipped a paygo waiver into the last continuing resolution before vacation to delay the inevitable outrage that will come with the cuts. Enjoy your tax cuts, you simple minded, selfish prick.

Oh, and btw no, I will not censor myself for a fucking sniveling little snowflake like you.

 

[ivwshane]

Then I guess we'll agree to disagree 🙂 Im ok with that.

Yes, irrationality seems to be your preference.

 

[greatnoob]

Would you like me to link all the times I said Id like to see spending in military cut? I will if you'd like. Seems you have a failure to read. Or memory. Or something.

Well then you're as naive as you are stupid for supporting this tax bill. The GOP will never reduce military spending but despite that you are STILL rooting for this tax reform. Paul Ryan has specifically stated social security and healthcare cuts will pay for this tax cut. If you don't support cuts to those services, then you wouldn't support this tax bill. Does this make sense or are you too dumb to understand that? Once again, you make it known how ridiculously clueless you are. You should stop digging yourself a bigger hole and just give up posting until you understand what you're talking about. Idiot.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I, for one, cant wait for my $25 per paycheck. definitely worth 1.5 trillion to tje deficit...and cutting entitlement programs because the deficit is too big....just icing on the cake. sorry mom, fuck off and die already.

 

[dphantom]

I, for one, cant wait for my $25 per paycheck. definitely worth 1.5 trillion to tje deficit...and cutting entitlement programs because the deficit is too big....just icing on the cake. sorry mom, fuck off and die already.

As I said much earlier in this thread, if you are truly unhappy with the tax cut and actually think entitlements will be cut, you and others can send a check back to the IRS.

https://pay.gov/public/home

For those who will receive some of their money back, I suspect most Americans will be happy to be able to pocket that extra cash each paycheck.

 

[pmv]

As I said much earlier in this thread, if you are truly unhappy with the tax cut and actually think entitlements will be cut, you and others can send a check back to the IRS.

https://pay.gov/public/home

For those who will receive some of their money back, I suspect most Americans will be happy to be able to pocket that extra cash each paycheck.

Not sure how that is supposed to make any sense. If one is unhappy with the super-wealthy getting a tax-cut that will further increase inequality and create a funding crisis down the line, how does donating more money yourself help matters? Unless you are yourself in the highest income bracket it will make the problem worse, not better. Maybe think your comments through before posting them next time?

 

[umbrella39]

As I said much earlier in this thread, if you are truly unhappy with the tax cut and actually think entitlements will be cut, you and others can send a check back to the IRS.

https://pay.gov/public/home

For those who will receive some of their money back, I suspect most Americans will be happy to be able to pocket that extra cash each paycheck.

Cheerleading automatic Social Security cuts isn't something most people with a heart can or will do. People don't need a couple extra bucks in their paycheck that bad. I don't...

They are going to NEED those couple hundred bucks to stock up on the dog food they will have to feed their parents who have to move down their basements... If my parents were still alive I'd be worried about them. They had to live very modestly their last few years as it was. They are spinning in their graves at the thought that their children will bear the brunt of this payoff to the rich...

 

[bshole]

As I said much earlier in this thread, if you are truly unhappy with the tax cut and actually think entitlements will be cut, you and others can send a check back to the IRS.

https://pay.gov/public/home

For those who will receive some of their money back, I suspect most Americans will be happy to be able to pocket that extra cash each paycheck.

I would recommend saving the pennies because the Republicans are poised to cur dollars out of your retirement.

 

[blackangst1]

The vast majority of tax cutting goes to the Richest. Middle class cuts are there just to buy complicity from the rubes for peanuts. Even then most benefits go to the more affluent. Your calls to "reform" SS & Medicare are the usual code speak for cutting benefits.

Unfortunately for you, youre so stuck on the progressive flash card talking points to see there ARE alternatives other than cutting benefits. But, alas, thats all youre taught to believe fiscal conservatives want, so you buy it hook, line, and sinker.

Let me give you one example of reform that would begin to solve the SS issue without cutting benefits: raise the payroll cap from $127,000 to something like $250,000.

 

[ch33zw1z]

As I said much earlier in this thread, if you are truly unhappy with the tax cut and actually think entitlements will be cut, you and others can send a check back to the IRS.

https://pay.gov/public/home

For those who will receive some of their money back, I suspect most Americans will be happy to be able to pocket that extra cash each paycheck.

FYGM

 

[blackangst1]

Yes, irrationality seems to be your preference.

So let me get this straight. If I disagree with you that the size of government is irrelevant, Im the irrational one? See, the difference between you and I is I understand there are differing opinions about such things, but I have enough respect for you as am American to form your own opinions. After all, your and my vote counts the same. You on the other hand view those with differing opinions as "irrational".

You must be wonderful to live with.

 

[blackangst1]

I would recommend saving the pennies because the Republicans are poised to cur dollars out of your retirement.

Honestly, anyone who has the means but doesnt save for their own retirement is a fool. Social Security is meant to SUPPLEMENT retirement, not fund it.

 

[blackangst1]

It doesn't matter what you want. All that matters is what will actually happen. These tax cuts will automatically trigger cuts to Medicare and Medicaid. The only reason they haven't already is because the GOP slipped a paygo waiver into the last continuing resolution before vacation to delay the inevitable outrage that will come with the cuts. Enjoy your tax cuts, you simple minded, selfish prick.

Oh, and btw no, I will not censor myself for a fucking sniveling little snowflake like you.

Good. I never asked you to, nor would I 🙂

 

[pcgeek11]

So let me get this straight. If I disagree with you that the size of government is irrelevant, Im the irrational one? See, the difference between you and I is I understand there are differing opinions about such things, but I have enough respect for you as am American to form your own opinions. After all, your and my vote counts the same. You on the other hand view those with differing opinions as "irrational".

You must be wonderful to live with.

Talking to him is a waste of time.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Honestly, anyone who has the means but doesnt save for their own retirement is a fool. Social Security is meant to SUPPLEMENT retirement, not fund it.

while i agree, the amount of people poised to save is dwindling in my neck of the woods. coupled with less contributions from employer is creating a serious problem later on. not to mention whats happens when investors get to create and benefit from the next economic crisis, crushing 401k's and another bailout from the same people.

should be interesting, can hardly wait.

i work with olde timers who lost out big in the housing crisis, still working to this day because of it.

 

[bshole]

Honestly, anyone who has the means but doesnt save for their own retirement is a fool. Social Security is meant to SUPPLEMENT retirement, not fund it.

I have saved my entire life for retirement and have a sizeable chunk saved up. The thing that worries me most is the Republicans deciding to loot 401ks and Roth IRAs around the time I retire. They actually spoke of attacking 401k plans this time around (contributions).

 

[bshole]

while i agree, the amount of people poised to save is dwindling in my neck of the woods. coupled with less contributions from employer is creating a serious problem later on. not to mention whats happens when investors get to create and benefit from the next economic crisis, crushing 401k's and another bailout from the same people.

should be interesting, can hardly wait.

Did you get yourself some lube for this one? I went dry with Bush and it was most unpleasant.

 

[blackangst1]

while i agree, the amount of people poised to save is dwindling in my neck of the woods. coupled with less contributions from employer is creating a serious problem later on. not to mention whats happens when investors get to create and benefit from the next economic crisis, crushing 401k's and another bailout from the same people.

should be interesting, can hardly wait.

Aside from the mob of boomers retiring, people in general havent been disciplined enough to save. In the 90's I was series 6, 63, and insurance licensed, and worked at a large national bank setting up retirement accounts for families and small businesses. The thing I found, which honestly was eye opening to me, was the number of middle income and higher families who arent saving. I cant tell you how many couples I sat down with who were in their 50's making $75,000+/yr combined who had less than $20,000 put away for retirement. Without taking this topic completely OT, I think it has to do with upbringing and education. I was never taught about basic finances in school, but my mom taught me early on to always put away SOMETHING when you got money. When I was in my 20's making minimum wage living in a tiny studio apt I always put at least $5.00 per paycheck into savings. When I had the required $100 to deposit into an IRA, I did so. Most people arent taught these things. I mean, look at all the sports stars etc who go broke. We arent taught to save.

TL;DR even people with the means to do so dont save

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I have saved my entire life for retirement and have a sizeable chunk saved up. The thing that worries me most is the Republicans deciding to loot 401ks and Roth IRAs around the time I retire. They actually spoke of attacking 401k plans this time around (contributions).

Well look at that. You and I have something in common 🙂