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Corporal Punishment: Discipline or Abuse?

Baasha

Baasha

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Corporal punishment is as old as humanity itself. Since pre-historic times, people have found ways to injure and/or discipline each other physically, among many other ways.

Corporal punishment is still common in some parts of the world in schools and at the child's home. It is quite a taboo subject in the so-called egalitarian 🙂rolleyes🙂 societies of the world but I believe it still goes on to some extent, much to the chagrin of the one(s) being disciplined.

So what do you guys think about corporal punishment? Have any of you received it? In school? At home? Both? Elsewhere?

When I was younger, I've been slapped by my mom, dad, and sister. That must be some sort of record! 😀

My opinion on the matter is that it depends on the situation. If the child is smoking/drinking or doing something that could irreparably damage himself, I would give him a proper thrashing. If it is for minor transgressions, I would let bygones be bygones, after appropriately admonishing him. And, note that I say "him" because I would definitely NOT use corporal punishment on girls. Of course, this is all relevant to MY kids, if and when I have them, and so I'm not planning on caning kids at the local school! LOL...

It is interesting to note that the predominantly Republican states of the US have NOT prohibited corporal punishment and the Democratic ones have!

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment

Wonder what the correlation could be? Hmm....

And, if any of you have doubts about corporal punishment, let this clear your mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4oO7ZdfSFI

Would you use corporal punishment on your child?

What if they behaved like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_viL3_FAMxQ

What about corporal punishment in schools? Many schools, for instance Catholic seminaries, used to cane the students for transgressions, minor or otherwise but now it seems like it is against the law.

After all, doesn't the old adage of "spare the rod and spoil the child" have some validity?
 
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I have told my son's school that they are welcome to beat him at any time.


I also think our society would be much better if people were punched in the face for some crimes instead of being fined.
 
Yeah, teaching children that violence is a way to solve problems is a great idea...

Don't abuse your children fuckwits.

If you're too dumb to disipline your child without violence then you shouldn't have em.
 
RocksteadyDotNet said:
Yeah, teaching children that violence is a way to solve problems is a great idea...

Don't abuse your children fuckwits.

If you're too dumb to disipline your child without violence then you shouldn't have em.
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I dunno....a purple nurple always sets lil rudeguy straight
 
RocksteadyDotNet said:
Yeah, teaching children that violence is a way to solve problems is a great idea...

Don't abuse your children fuckwits.

If you're too dumb to disipline your child without violence then you shouldn't have em.
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lols, the punishment doesn't solve problems, it gives a consequence for the problem being there.

I find it fine, if the circumstances demand such a punishment. These circumstances, in my mind, include situations where the child could be injured way more than the punishment. I think this also includes respect issues, because sadly enough, if you don't respect some people in this world you'll end up in the hospital or dead.
 
Brigandier said:
lols, the punishment doesn't solve problems, it gives a consequence for the problem being there.

I find it fine, if the circumstances demand such a punishment. These circumstances, in my mind, include situations where the child could be injured way more than the punishment. I think this also includes respect issues, because sadly enough, if you don't respect some people in this world you'll end up in the hospital or dead.
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You're still teaching your child that violence is ok, which it never is.
 
Discipline, sadly schools cannot apply it properly out of fear of legal troubles.

I was not spared the rod when I was a child, I do not plan on sparing it for my child. Hope that our government does not become such a nanny state as to deny an important tool of parents to raise children to be good, productive members of society.
 
RocksteadyDotNet said:
You're still teaching your child that violence is ok, which it never is.
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No, violence is ok sometimes. If someone threatens your life, you better be prepared for violence. Violence is a very real part of the world we live in, and to ignore that is the same as crippling your child. Violence in itself is not wrong, it matters what is behind the violence. Petty, selfish reasons are bad violence, violence for the greater good is alright. Ignoring violence is just as dangerous as too much violence, because it gives the people that commit wrong violence way too much power.

I also happen to think everyone overreacts, violence is only real if you have lasting physical harm from it, and bruises do not count. Just because you're hurt doesn't mean you're right.
 
There's a big difference between corporal punishment and abuse. A quick smack on the butt when a kid does something that could hurt themselves is one thing, and beating them until they hurt for days is another.

I was spanked a few times when I was a little kid, my parents always made sure I knew exactly what I did wrong and while it hurt for a few minutes they never even left a bruise. It gave me an immediate consequence and was usually reserved for something where I could have hurt myself.
 
There's a right way and a wrong way to apply corporal punishment. You dont spank to hurt the child, you spank to get their attention.
 
I have no problem with corporal punishment. It was the norm in school when I grew up. The principal had a hardwood paddle on the wall behind his desk and used it. The gym teacher preferred the plaited lanyard his whistle was on, used across your bare legs. Teachers mostly stuck with yard sticks. Punishment was usually prefaced with the choice to accept it and return to class with no further action or, have your parents called and the possibility of being expelled. I never knew any kids who weren't more afraid of their parents than the principal or teacher.
 
To answer the OP, it can be one or both depending on the severity and frequency. Some amounts/types are effective discipline, but it cannot/should not be used as an excuse for abuse.

rudeguy said:
I have told my son's school that they are welcome to beat him at any time.


I also think our society would be much better if people were punched in the face for some crimes instead of being fined.
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I've had parents tell me the same thing about some of my own students. Unfortunately, society is such that we can't really do that even with parental permission without the fear of lawyers stepping in and really screwing over the teacher and school.
 
MovingTarget said:
To answer the OP, it can be one or both depending on the severity and frequency. Some amounts/types are effective discipline, but it cannot/should not be used as an excuse for abuse.



I've had parents tell me the same thing about some of my own students. Unfortunately, society is such that we can't really do that even with parental permission without the fear of lawyers stepping in and really screwing over the teacher and school.
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When my son discovered there were no real consequences for his actions he became uncontrollable in school. I worked near the school so when the school had an issue they would call me at work. I would go to the school where they would direct me to an empty room to wait for my son. My son would come in and get a swat and I would send him back to class.

This only happened a few times before he straightened up.
 
Corporal Punishment was not used during my childhood, and I see no reason to use it on my children, when I have them.
 
Eli said:
Corporal Punishment was not used during my childhood, and I see no reason to use it on my children, when I have them.
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Exactly.

It's perfectly possible to raise a good child without using violence, but these idiots above are too dumb to figure out how.
 
While appropriate reinforcement of positive behaviors is the preferred method of behavior modification, with the removal of some positive stimuli as a response to negative behavior; There are times that the immediacy required of a re-enforcer and the danger of the negative behavior elevate to the level that immediate physical pain is necessary.


That said: There is NO psychologically tenable argument to be made for corporal punishment that is not performed as close to the negative beahvior as possible.

Stimulus-> Behavior -> response;
If that response is positive with 'consequences' in the future then there will be NO modification of behavior!

The response MUST be linked to the behavior in-order to reinforce a behavior and if a negative behavior is in question then the negative response must also be linked to reinforcing an alternative behavior.


example:
Kid is stealing, he gets the cookie, he eats the cookie.
Stealing has been reinforced.

Solution: kid steals the cookie, he gets the cookie, you throw the cookie away; THEN say, ASK for a cookie, when he asks you give him the cookie.

example2: kid is prone to jumping head-first off of high objects.

Solution: Kid climbs, he jumps, when he does this you hit him with a cattle prod (or simple spanking if you have a heart); Then find something similar to the thrill of falling (say a trampoline) and reward the trampoline behavior when it does not involved self-injurious behavior.


There are times when physical pain is useful and necessary to preserve the well being of the child; in these instances it should be used.

There is NEVER a time when society needs to implement such responses because the immediacy of such punishment is not enough that the two things will be associated.

Truly, it is more likely that being caught will be what the person gets better at avoiding, not the negative behavior.

It's perfectly possible to raise a good child without using violence, but these idiots above are too dumb to figure out how.
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It depends on the child and behavior.

The case I offered of the child doing a head-dive off of anything she can climb comes right from the psychology journals, they psychologists used a cattle prod and the behavior ended.

Some times the subtly and timely rearing of a child through positive reinforcements and alternative behaviors is not an option when that child is injuring himself or others.
 
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RocksteadyDotNet said:
You're still teaching your child that violence is ok, which it never is.
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violence is a fact of life....it's not a question of OK or not OK.

What we aren't teaching our children is that violence exists and has to be dealt with from time to time. Violence doesn't always need answered with more violence but it's always a possibility.

It's a continuing mindset/trend of coddling instead of raising children. Some examples are: sports teams that don't allow a winner or loser or the schools who don't issue failing grades because it's too hard on the children.

This whole trend is commonly referred to in the States as the "pussification of America". ...and the remainder of the world apparently.
 
It's a continuing mindset/trend of coddling instead of raising children.
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A properly regimented scheme of reinforcements can be just as effective for most children and more effective for most behaviors.

But that takes love instead of anger; It takes following the bible's command not to antagonize our children, instead of provoking them like some do a dog they want to become mean.
 
DixyCrat said:
A properly regimented scheme of reinforcements can be just as effective for most children and more effective for most behaviors.

But that takes love instead of anger; It takes following the bible's command not to antagonize our children, instead of provoking them like some do a dog they want to become mean.
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What???

I didn't say to ban positive reinforcements. In fact praise and support are required and needed by children...it's human nature. There are times when adjustment is required. Children should not have a choice in everything....not until they are old enough to know the difference.

It also takes love to raise your children to know that they aren't always going to win or have someone that will always make everything alright. It also take love to raise children to have respect for themselves and the people around them...especially their parents and elders.

There is a difference between outright abuse and violence and a swat on the ass. Misbehaving children can mostly be attributed to shithead parents who don't raise their kids but treat them as adults and there friends...not their mom or dad.

I'm OK, you're OK....horseshit.
 
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