Originally posted by: NFS4
And so loved that Toyota is killing it
only because they want Tc sales to grow.
only because they want Tc sales to grow.
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Originally posted by: andylawcc
Originally posted by: NFS4
And so loved that Toyota is killing it
only because they want Tc sales to grow.
Celica sales have been in a freefall since it was redesigned. Really has nothing to do with the tC. The Celica was just too wildly styled and ugly. The tC is a more of a "middle of the road" approach.
Yes, the tC is in a sense replacing the Celica, but the Celica was on the way out anyway
I'd go with the Mazda3 GT over both... but the Corolla is better than the Civic, just doesn't look as nice as the Civic coupes.
I bought my wife a 2004 Corolla sport and it has been a great car so far. Gets good gas mileage and has just enough power for us. I like the interior also.
When looking for her new car though, I also drove (among others) a Jetta TDI and personally I liked it alot more. It handled better, power fely a little less but good enough, and it got about 40 in the city 50 highway or something like that. Diesel of course. You would have to buy a used one though since they don't make the TDI anymore as far as I know. Also the TDI has a very easy maintenance schedule.
When looking for her new car though, I also drove (among others) a Jetta TDI and personally I liked it alot more. It handled better, power fely a little less but good enough, and it got about 40 in the city 50 highway or something like that. Diesel of course. You would have to buy a used one though since they don't make the TDI anymore as far as I know. Also the TDI has a very easy maintenance schedule.
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Civic has better handling and composure, corolla has more power. One benefit is if you are planning to keep this car a while, the corolla has a timing chain where as the civic has a timing belt. Saves you a $500 job at 100k miles.
I've extensively driven both, I probably wouldn't buy a civic if I was in this market. I really don't like the fact that honda is still using D series engines in the civic in this day and age. It deserves better. Corolla more likely, but TC before either.
I've extensively driven both, I probably wouldn't buy a civic if I was in this market. I really don't like the fact that honda is still using D series engines in the civic in this day and age. It deserves better. Corolla more likely, but TC before either.
Both are fine. I like Civic's styling. Its bland, yes ... but i just like it
edit:
well the front on the civic actually looks pretty cute, the back really awful
edit:
well the front on the civic actually looks pretty cute, the back really awful
Rented a Suzuki Aerio last winter for a drive to the U.P., and boy, did that thing suck butt in real winter conditions. Defrost-insufficient in 0 degree weather. Wheel wells-so stylishly close to the tires, they filled up constantly with ze muck (ice/snow/sand-too cold for salt up there). Had to stop on return trip a few times to clear them, as the slop built up in the limited space and quickly started grabbing at the tires. Low clearance. Half empty engine compartment.
Looked ugly too. Kinda like a Focus.
Pretty much, if you're looking for one of these, make sure it can handle winter driving ok. Good luck with the new car.
Edit: Off topic a bit, but I was amazed to find so much on wikipedia about the U.P. Then I clicked on Houghton's link (where I lived for a few years).
The pic on the page has been around for a few years, but it really says everything you need to to know about the U.P. If I remember right, it was done by some Tech students.
Yeah I remember the Jetta was about 4-5000 dollars more than the corolla, but I personally liked the styling better and alot of the cost would be offset in gas savings over the years you owned it.
Out of curiosity why would a diesel be a pain in winter conditions? I don't know, never owned a diesel before.
As far as reliabiltiy, maybe I should have said maintenance, as I remember the maintenance intervals for the engine were HUGE.
i'd rather drive a civic. i'd rather be driven in a corolla. that says a lot about the two cars.
actually, even when you're in the driver's seat, the corolla isn't a car you drive, but just one you "operate." the civic might not have as much guts in a straight line but at least you can drive it.
actually, even when you're in the driver's seat, the corolla isn't a car you drive, but just one you "operate." the civic might not have as much guts in a straight line but at least you can drive it.
The Civic is ugly inside and out, the Corolla is much nicer, inside anyway. The Mazda 3 is still the best, if you can afford it.
Lies! The Honda Civic is a Highly Tuned Racing Machine! All that power just lies dormant, waiting for the proper K&N Air Intake, Pepboys Exhaust Tip, and RaceWorkZ wing to unleash it!
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if the budget is tight i'd get a used elentra
if you have money to get a new car then corolla/matrix is the better car
if you have around $15k or more to throw around, then just do what everybody says and get the mazda 3
then again when you get to around $15k you can get a base accord/camry or a fairly new used galant...
as for the cheap VW's, they are made in mexico. reliable? just look at what happened to beetle/sentra...
if you have money to get a new car then corolla/matrix is the better car
if you have around $15k or more to throw around, then just do what everybody says and get the mazda 3
then again when you get to around $15k you can get a base accord/camry or a fairly new used galant...
as for the cheap VW's, they are made in mexico. reliable? just look at what happened to beetle/sentra...
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Diesel engines start like sh|t, or not at all, in very cold weather...which would consist of december, january and feb up here. My friend has had some trouble getting his to start on the cold days. I'd rather not deal with it, since I'll probably have to spend 20 minutes shoveling snow before I can even try to start the car in the first place.
How much more does the gas jeta cost than the corolla?
And what the hell is the TC?
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