Corn sugar? FDA says "nope."

[Sho'Nuff]

http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/Centers.../CFSANFOIAElectronicReadingRoom/ucm305226.htm

Sugar is a solid, according to the FDA, and syrup is a liquid. HFCS is a liquid, thus not "sugar." Plus, dextrose is already called corn sugar - it would confuse people, particularly people who already were able to consume dextrose when it's called corn sugar, but who would be harmed by accidentally ingesting HFCS, thinking that it was dextrose.

The FDA is dumb. "Sugar" is a generic term for one of several different saccharides, most (if not all of which) can exist in solid or liquid form.

If someone is aware that they are sensitive to a particular type of saccharide (e.g., dextrose), they should know that the term "sugar" is not specific enough to indicate thaty something is dextrose free.

 

[Miramonti]

Sugar lobby > Corn lobby

 

[sdifox]

since corn lobby think hfcs is sugar, that mean USA will never run out of sugar. Thus sugar protectionism can end and the import quota removed.

 

[Gibsons]

This.


HFCS defenders need to address the leptin issue before maintaining there is no difference between the two sources. If the human body treats them as different, well then maybe just maybe they are!

 

[jagec]

Bread - Mine usually has no HFCS, and in fact usually has no sugar either.

You only eat unleavened bread?

 

[Cerb]

You only eat unleavened bread?

Maybe, but I doubt it. It's a common misconception that sugar is needed to make dough rise. Yeast will happily feed on the flour, but it won't rise as fast, the end result will be denser, and it will have a bit of a flat beer sour flavor, rather than a sugary sweetness.

P.S. Guess who's making some whole wheat and barley dough, tonight... 🙂

 

[SirStev0]

I am surprised that the FDA had the balls. Usually they just do whatever the companies tell them.
The Cane sugar people must be pretty powerful this year.

 

[zinfamous]

You only eat unleavened bread?

do you guys actually still buy sliced bread in those plastic packages?

:hmm:

buy real bread. No HFCS. Real grains. It costs more with each loaf, but you end up saving $$$$ by avoiding needless health problems later in life if you just adjust your diet to a normal human one, rather than this shit the food industry tries to feed us in this country.

 

[Awkward]

bread is junk food anyway. avoiding HFCS is easy. it's best if you avoid all sugar anyway with the exception of fruit.

 

[Eug]

You only eat unleavened bread?

To make bread, all you need is flour, water, and yeast (and salt). If you want to add flavour, you can add herbs. If additional sweetness is desired, many if not most small bakeries around here will add sugar, but it's regular cane/beet sugar, not corn syrup. Or else they'll use honey in some cases.

However, even if you were to use HFCS for bread, it wouldn't be that a big deal, since you'd only add a little bit anyway. There's usually way more HFCS+sugar in a can of soda/pop than there is in an entire loaf of bread, unless you're talking specifically about a sweetened bread of some sort.

Maybe, but I doubt it. It's a common misconception that sugar is needed to make dough rise. Yeast will happily feed on the flour, but it won't rise as fast, the end result will be denser, and it will have a bit of a flat beer sour flavor, rather than a sugary sweetness.

I do have a breadmaker, and when I use that, I use breadmaker yeast. It's a faster rising yeast so the density isn't necessarily high (unless it's whole wheat).

However, if I am to make bread myself I'm usually adding tons of herbs and maybe even bits of vegetables, etc. so I wouldn't really taste the added sugar much anyway unless I added a lot. And as you might have guessed, I don't really like most heavily sweetened foods.

 

[zinfamous]

bread is junk food anyway. avoiding HFCS is easy. it's best if you avoid all sugar anyway with the exception of fruit.

Bread is most certainly not junk food....unless you're talking about that shit pumped out by Merita, et al. That isn't even bread...

 

[mafia]

Finally, a government agency did something good for once. I don't think HFCS is the same as cane sugar. If you break it down, yes its very very similar, but why is there such a huge taste difference when I drink Mexican Coke and American Coke? Surely, they would taste the same right? To me, it seems products with cane sugar taste better.

 

[Eug]

Finally, a government agency did something good for once. I don't think HFCS is the same as cane sugar. If you break it down, yes its very very similar, but why is there such a huge taste difference when I drink Mexican Coke and American Coke? Surely, they would taste the same right? To me, it seems products with cane sugar taste better.

So why are you drinking Coke in the first place? Cane sugar or HFCS, it's still crap.

Have a nice cup of tea instead. 😉

 

[Awkward]

Bread is most certainly not junk food....unless you're talking about that shit pumped out by Merita, et al. That isn't even bread...

grains contain tons upon tons of mycotoxins, and the way they're stored nowadays they raise blood sugar faster than just ingesting pure table sugar. this is without even factoring in all the other crap they pack into it.

the fact the USDA supports grains so much is just more reason not to eat any grains at all. the amount of grains, and carbs in general they recommend the average person take in is sickening

 

[lxskllr]

...but why is there such a huge taste difference when I drink Mexican Coke and American Coke? Surely, they would taste the same right? To me, it seems products with cane sugar taste better.

It could be a bunch of things. Water, exact ingredient amounts, factory equipment... The type of sugar isn't the first thing I'd suspect regarding flavor. Canadian Guinness tastes different from Irish Guinness. That operation is a bit more complex, but I'm sure everything is as close to identical as they could make it, yet it's still different.

 

[mafia]

So why are you drinking Coke in the first place? Cane sugar or HFCS, it's still crap.

Have a nice cup of tea instead. 😉

I drink hot tea with no sugar all the time, in fact, drinking it right now. But once in a while I drink some Coke.

 

[Eug]

grains contain tons upon tons of mycotoxins, and the way they're stored nowadays they raise blood sugar faster than just ingesting pure table sugar. this is without even factoring in all the other crap they pack into it.

the fact the USDA supports grains so much is just more reason not to eat any grains at all. the amount of grains, and carbs in general they recommend the average person take in is sickening

Wrong again. Most proper diets include the majority of the calories from carbs, specifically from grains.

However, the big difference here is the recommended diets have way, way lower calories than the average US caloric intake, and the calories are from whole and fresh foods, not heavily processed crap.

The problem here is Americans eat crap (as do citizens from lots of countries) and a lot of it, and that crap often includes HFCS.... then some go on to blame HFCS for all the ills, when most of the ills come from the lack of exercise and the high caloric intake.

A well balanced diet of good quality foods wouldn't have high HFCS anyway, nor would it have heavy amounts of processed sugar either.

I drink hot tea with no sugar all the time, in fact, drinking it right now. But once in a while I drink some Coke.

If you only have it occasionally, say once a week, then it shouldn't matter at all whether it's cane/beet sugar or HFCS. As for the taste, I suspect it's not the sugar type that's the issue.

 

[Awkward]

Wrong again. Most proper diets include the majority of the calories from carbs, specifically from grains.

Sounds like the FDA has brainwashed you. I guess you don't mind excess fat storage, inflammation and diabetes. If you realized what your body does to those excess carbs, I bet you'd be changing your mind. Unless you're a professional athlete, or running a marathon every day -- most of your calores should come from protein while keeping carbs at under 100g a day. There is just entirely no reason to be consuming so many carbs. Especially from grains.

 

[disappoint]

The corn industry was trying to market HFCS as "corn sugar." HFCS has had a lot of bad publicity. I'll admit that initially, I didn't think there would be any difference in the effects on the body of HFCS vs. cane sugar. They are incredibly similar. However, more and more research seems to be demonstrating some unhealthy consequences. (Though, I still believe that for the average person practicing moderation, those consequences are negligible - the harmful effects apply more to the people consuming multiple cans of soda a day, etc.)

There are no MORE harmful effects from HFCS than cane sugar. But there ARE harmful effects. The same from both. The problem is, as you mentioned, people consume way too much of the stuff, thus multiplying the harmful effects.

 

[pelov]

I'm pretty sure this has more to do with the quantity of sugars rather than which sugars it is.

Fructose is generally regarded as being 1.73 times as sweet as sucrose.[11][12] However, it is the 5-ring form of fructose that is sweeter; the 6-ring form tastes about the same as usual table sugar. Warming fructose leads to formation of the 6-ring form.[13]

Straight from wiki. In organic I remember learning about this (and then continuing learning about this in later stages of chem/bio). The reason HCFS is used is not only because it's cheap but because it's far sweeter than the other sugars.

1.73 > 1.00 over Sucrose

The sweetness of fructose is perceived earlier than that of sucrose or dextrose, and the taste sensation reaches a peak (higher than that of sucrose) and diminishes more quickly than that of sucrose. Fructose can also enhance other flavors in the system.

People who have tried the "natural sugar" sodas can attest to this. I personally prefer the longer lasting more milder tasting sodas rather than HCFS but that's just based on preference to taste alone, everything else more complicated aside.

Lots of fruits and veggies are very high in fructose, sometimes higher than the concentration of fructose to sucrose in sodas. You won't hear anyone complaining about the fructose concentration in apricots or pineapples though...

It's just a matter of toning down the amount you drink. But because it's sweet and cheap people drink lots of it and they develop issues. Unlike veggies and fruits, sodas generally don't have anything that adds nutritional value either like vitamins and minerals so all you're getting is carbs.

So if you want something sweet there's a veggie/fruit that offers the same or better taste and it's also better for you. But there's no need to demonize a monosaccharide because a bunch of idiots got fat and unhealthy from sheer stupidity.

 

[zinfamous]

grains contain tons upon tons of mycotoxins, and the way they're stored nowadays they raise blood sugar faster than just ingesting pure table sugar. this is without even factoring in all the other crap they pack into it.

the fact the USDA supports grains so much is just more reason not to eat any grains at all. the amount of grains, and carbs in general they recommend the average person take in is sickening

there is absolutely nothing wrong with grains, or carbs for that matter--assuming one has a balanced diet, and is consuming real, whole grains, and quality carbs.

This whole anti-carb thing is the biggest farce that has steered people away from actually caring about proper nutrition and health, towards yet another fad created by an industry (anti-carb) that stands to benefit from some sort of fear.

It's not the carbs--it's the type of carbs, and the amount of carbs, and what your fat-ass is doing before, during, and after consuming those carbs. 😛

 

[jagec]

Sounds like the FDA has brainwashed you. I guess you don't mind excess fat storage, inflammation and diabetes. If you realized what your body does to those excess carbs, I bet you'd be changing your mind. Unless you're a professional athlete, or running a marathon every day -- most of your calores should come from protein while keeping carbs at under 100g a day. There is just entirely no reason to be consuming so many carbs. Especially from grains.

Oh look, another person who read an Atkins diet book and now think they're an expert...

 

[Awkward]

there is absolutely nothing wrong with grains, or carbs for that matter--assuming one has a balanced diet, and is consuming real, whole grains, and quality carbs.

This whole anti-carb thing is the biggest farce that has steered people away from actually caring about proper nutrition and health, towards yet another fad created by an industry (anti-carb) that stands to benefit from some sort of fear.

It's not the carbs--it's the type of carbs, and the amount of carbs, and what your fat-ass is doing before, during, and after consuming those carbs. 😛

All carbs are exactly the same... They're all turned into glucose, which in excess amounts is stored as glycogen.

Oh look, another person who read an Atkins diet book and now think they're an expert...

I never claimed to be an expert, and I've read far more than the Atkins diet book. I read, and can cite, several sources that I've read in researching the best diet for me. But, whatever, go and choke down some more HEART HEALTHY grains!

 

[pelov]

I never claimed to be an expert, and I've read far more than the Atkins diet book. I read, and can cite, several sources that I've read in researching the best diet for me. But, whatever, go and choke down some more HEART HEALTHY grains!

The issue with Atkins diets, or high protein diets in general, is the buildup of amines in the body. Not a big problem if you take in a lot of water (and this is recommended for people working out and taking protein shakes), but it still puts more pressure than necessary on the kidneys.

Though we have methods of synthesizing the pyruvates/glucose from FAs and proteins, they aren't as efficient as that of the monosaccharides. So, yea, you need more carbs than proteins/fats.

edit - forgot the liver too. The keto acids require hepatic involvement which means pressure on the liver as well.

 

[jagec]

All carbs are exactly the same... They're all turned into glucose, which in excess amounts is stored as glycogen.

As nature intended. Glucose/glycogen is a brilliant energy source.

For what it's worth, glucose is the ONLY energy source that the brain can use.

Which actually explains a lot about you "ALL CARBS ARE EVIL" people.