CoreTemp .96 or coretemp .96.1

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emblem

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http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6749/alltempssu8.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8243/tattempsfq9.jpg

I was getting those temps before.

Now I just used core temp .96.1 and i'm getting these temps
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/484/newtempsxg9.jpg


http://img222.imageshack.us/im...4184/coretemp96ke5.jpg


http://img204.imageshack.us/im...138/coretemp961lk8.jpg

http://www.tomshardware.com/fo...quad-temperature-guide


My cpu has M0 stepping so it does have Tjuntion max of 85. So then .96.1 would be the right one?

(D) The Delta between Tcase and Tjunction is determined by Stepping:

M0 Stepping = 5c +/- 3
B3 and G0 Stepping = 10c +/- 3
B2 and L2 Stepping = 15c +/- 3

(E) Core Temp, CPU-Z, Crystal CPUID and SpeedFan will be used for Calibrating Tcase and Tjunction at Idle. Prime95 will then be used for Load testing and SpeedFan will be used for temperature monitoring.

Additional Specifications

Ambient Temperature = 22c
Idle to Load Delta Max = 25c
Thermal Diode Accuracy = +/-1c

Tjunction Max = 85c (B2, M0 Stepping)
Tjunction Max = 100c (B3, G0, L2 Stepping)

 
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imported_wonderwrench

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The Tomshardware link is broken. The guide here may help you calibrate your temps though it does not seem to list a M0 stepping E2200. If you have your facts straight about your CPU the guide may still work.
 
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My guess is the 43C / TJmax 100C is the correct reading, and that 31C / TJmax 85 is incorrect. Do a quick search for intel specs on e2140 TJmax and find out!
 
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Since so many people are declaring CoreTemp .96 broken, why hasn't it been updated and why can't anyone download the older version?
 
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emblem

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Because I see countless other people having temps of 43C with a 3ghz OC with the same cooler I have.
 
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Tempered81

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doesn't sound like a temp problem. If you applied the ac7pro with the standard thermal compound on the sink ( which many say is pretty good), try cleaning it, lapping it, and reinstalling it with a very thin amount of AS5. I'm sure if you bond tightly two flat copper surfaces, you will get a better heat transfer and dissipation. 43 with speedstep activated at idle isn't so bad. Go ahead and oc to 3.0 and see what temps you get with speedstep at idle. It may still be in the mid-40's :)
 
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Originally posted by: emblem
Because I see countless other people having temps of 43C with a 3ghz OC with the same cooler I have.
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Keep in mind most temps people report are bogus. Example: "I see countless other people having temps of 43C with a 3ghz OC with the same cooler I have." Is this at idle or loaded?
If loaded using what method? What kind of case cooling or is it open air? What software is being used to report temps? Did they prove that the software used is accurate?

Temps from my AC Freezer 7 pro review.

----- Intel retail --------- Freezer Pro 7 ------------ Improvement
------ idle load ----------- idle load --------------- idle load
- Cpu 27C 54C ------------ 23C 46C --------------- 4C 8C
Core0 38C 67C ------------ 35C 59C --------------- 3C 8C
Core1 39C 67C ------------ 36C 59C --------------- 3C 8C

Keep in mind this is open air. Now with case covers on you will see a different story
all together. I use speedfan to control 2 120mm case fans and the AC7pro. I also use
Rightmark CPU Clock utility to under clock my E6400@ 3ghz down to 2.2 ghz at idle. This is all setup for lowest noise at low CPU, GPU load and low case temps. So My idle temps can't be compared to others. Under load I balance cooling and fan noise trying to keep my system as quite as possible. Now load temps will vary greatly depending on case design, fan setup etc. So you always want to check your temps at idle and heavy load with the case covers on and off. If there is a huge increase in temp with the case covers installed you need better case cooling. High powered single slot video cards can play havoc with case cooling. Here are my temps with the case closed. Ambient temp was 22C. Load temps recorded after 15 minutes of running Prime95 small FFT's. CPU fan at 100%.

-Idle CPU/Tcase 31C Core0 44C Core1 46C
Load CPU/Tcase 53C Core0 66C Core1 66C

As you can see my temps are around 8C higher with case covers on. Now I could increase case fan speed or get a better CPU cooler but the temps are fine and noise level is acceptable. At Idle no fan is audible, under heavy load fan noise is noticeable but not ripping my head off. If I raise my case fan speed I can drop temps slightly though not by enough to sacrifice my sanity.


 
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emblem

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i took off on of my side covers and noticed like a 1 degree change in my temps.

My case the the CM 690 by the way. Same stock fans in the original positions. One in front, exhaust at back, and intake on side. I wish I had a camera so I could take some pictures.
 
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emblem

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Originally posted by: jaredpace
doesn't sound like a temp problem. If you applied the ac7pro with the standard thermal compound on the sink ( which many say is pretty good), try cleaning it, lapping it, and reinstalling it with a very thin amount of AS5. I'm sure if you bond tightly two flat copper surfaces, you will get a better heat transfer and dissipation. 43 with speedstep activated at idle isn't so bad. Go ahead and oc to 3.0 and see what temps you get with speedstep at idle. It may still be in the mid-40's :)
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I've reapplied multiple times

I've used the original MX that the AC7pro comes with. Same

Cleaned paste off and reapplied and used AS5. Same

Used the bag method where you put a dot then put your finger in a bag and spread it thin.
Using a bead of dot.
Used credit card to smooth out the paste on the cpu

None worked. All same temps with like a 1 degree fluctuation.

I ordered a bolt thru kit and it should come this week. It's supposed to give better connectivity for if your using a push pin cooler but I still can't see how that could drastically change my temps. Maybe 5 degrees, but not 10 or anything.
 
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emblem

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I just tried to reseat it again. Put a dot on it. I'm getting higher temps by 3 degrees now.
 
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Ouch.

I don't know what's up. I wonder what is going on as well with mine. I can cook my 3.4Ghz to 72C on command with Orthos Small, yet with the side of the case open not even my heat pipes were anywhere near that hot. So it's like there's really bad heat transfer or something; perhaps the CPU is not transferring heat to the CPU cover very well because I have both it and my TR-Ultra-120 lapped almost to mirror.
 
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Originally posted by: emblem
i took off on of my side covers and noticed like a 1 degree change in my temps.

My case the the CM 690 by the way. Same stock fans in the original positions. One in front, exhaust at back, and intake on side. I wish I had a camera so I could take some pictures.
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You must have a dual slot GPU and the best case cooling ever. You still have not posted your temps. What are your Tcase, Tjunction temps at idle and under load. Loaded using a known utility. My CPU only gets 2-3C hotter at 3 GHz than at 2.13 Ghz so you may have nothing wrong but since you do not give complete information there is no way to determine if you do or do not have a problem.
 
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emblem

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I'm at school right now so I can't post any pictures, but my first post should have all the temps I get at idle.

EasyTune is a GigaByte utility, so the temp you see in that of 30C is my Tcase right? Tcase is the CPU temp that the bios shows.

I was messing around with both versions of coretemp though and made it show the temps to delta max or something like that. Well both gave me the same temps, around 50 degrees till Delta max.
 
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Originally posted by: emblem
I'm at school right now so I can't post any pictures, but my first post should have all the temps I get at idle.

EasyTune is a GigaByte utility, so the temp you see in that of 30C is my Tcase right? Tcase is the CPU temp that the bios shows.

I was messing around with both versions of coretemp though and made it show the temps to delta max or something like that. Well both gave me the same temps, around 50 degrees till Delta max.
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Imageshack has been up and down for weeks. Text works fine for me.
 
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CatchPhrase

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I am getting 37C with .96 and 23C with .96.1 idle
.96 is showing me 100C tj. max and 85C with 96.1
i have a e2410 at 2.66ghz
 
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emblem

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I just Oc'd to 2.4 and after running orthos for 5 minutes I am seeing a temp ff 69 using coretemp .96 and temps of 52Cusing Speed fan 4.34 beta

My temps at idle were 49C

 
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emblem

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I just OC'd my 2200 to 2.42

Using orthos for 30 minutes I was getting 68C in .96 and 54C in .96.1

I set the settings to show "Delta to Tjuntion max temp"

Using that on both versions of coretemp it shows that at idle it's 51C to Tjunction max remaining

So on Coretemp .96 T junction max of 100
Idle 49C
51C to Tjunction max remaining

Coretemp .96.1 Tjunction max of 85
Idle 34C
51C to Tjunction max remaining

I'm guessing that what that tells me is my temperatures are in some way even.

I hear a lot of people say that over 65C is bad. So that means with a T junction of 100, 65C would be
45C to Tjunction max remaining.

So my goal should be to have my Tjunction max be at 45 or better?
 
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CatchPhrase

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Your temps are bad. I get 51C with my e2140 using Coretemp 96.1 running ORTHROS. 350x8 2.8ghz
Is your room warm?
 
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Tempered81

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Originally posted by: emblem
I just tried to reseat it again. Put a dot on it. I'm getting higher temps by 3 degrees now.
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means theres a big difference each time you are applying it. try lapping it like I said.

edit: also, good point you are making about delta to tJunction Max. That is really all that matters, the temp is the same, it is really only 1 actual temp if you think about it. at TJmax, you're going to get shut off by the cpu because of its thermal threshold. If your reporting 50C in one coretemp and 65C in the other when reading temps at load - It just means coretemp is reporting the wrong tj-max "tj-max hehe" for your stepping. Either way, when you read the delta, you see 45c until you hit the threshold. If you want to stay safe, dont overclock it. If you want to stay safe in accordance with this forums recommendations, stay below the Vcore everyone agrees on for your chip. I know for my e8400 people said it was vcore of 1.4 actual would be the maximum for safe 24/7 operation. Not sure what it is for a 65nm conroe 2200
 
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emblem

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Originally posted by: CatchPhrase
Your temps are bad. I get 51C with my e2140 using Coretemp 96.1 running ORTHROS. 350x8 2.8ghz
Is your room warm?
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My house stays between 70-80F
 
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