Core I3 @ 4.8Ghz Vs X4 965 @ 3.8Ghz

[MrK6]

FarCry2
1680X1050 - Medium Setting

I saw these in the other thread, thank you for posting. I should have been clearer and said actual games. As in, load up the game and just play it, have FRAPS take a run of FPS in the background for kicks.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Interesting, the scaling really falls off after 4 ghz when you look at min. framerate in Far Cry 2.

3.2-4 = +7 fps min
4 - 4.6 = +1 fps min

 

[Accord99]

Interesting, the scaling really falls off after 4 ghz when you look at min. framerate in Far Cry 2.

3.2-4 = +7 fps min
4 - 4.6 = +1 fps min

Which probably is due to hitting the GPU wall.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Why is that interesting? Did you not notice the GPU he is using? I find using that CPU at the O/C with that GPU amusing. If anyone exspects in to scale more . The GPU is all used up friend . Through a 5870 on there and retest. LOL!

 

[Hey Zeus]

Why is that interesting? Did you not notice the GPU he is using? I find using that CPU at the O/C with that GPU amusing. If anyone exspects in to scale more . The GPU is all used up friend . Through a 5870 on there and retest. LOL!

I was trying to wait for Fermi but i'll probably be picking up a 5850 sooner then later. These 9600's weren't bad tho. I'm still surprised they hit 20K in 06

 

[DrMrLordX]

Which probably is due to hitting the GPU wall.

Perhaps, but why did it affect minimum framerate so much but not average? And why did it take him 4 ghz to "hit the wall" on that chip? And it is two 9600GTs in SLI, no? That's not absolutely terrible.

Why is that interesting? Did you not notice the GPU he is using? I find using that CPU at the O/C with that GPU amusing. If anyone exspects in to scale more . The GPU is all used up friend . Through a 5870 on there and retest. LOL!

See above.

Should be interesting to see if similar effects will be observable on the 5850 later.

 

[Acanthus]

This is clearly the best dualie out.

Lets get those mobo and ddr3 prices down a bit more.

 

[Markfw]

This is clearly the best dualie out.

Lets get those mobo and ddr3 prices down a bit more.

My only observation is that the I3@$150+$200 mobo (Isn't that the prices of what you used?) is $350 total (approx) and the 965 is $200+$80 motherboard and still beats it big time. Based on $/performance, the 965 clearly is a winner in this scenario.

 

[Hey Zeus]

My only observation is that the I3@$150+$200 mobo (Isn't that the prices of what you used?) is $350 total (approx) and the 965 is $200+$80 motherboard and still beats it big time. Based on $/performance, the 965 clearly is a winner in this scenario.

Amd's crap tho.

 

[Enigmatic]

Somewhat impressive, I suppose. Never been a fan of OCing to the point where you're increasing power consumption while gaining imperceptible improvements in real world performance. But there are those who subscribe to the ideology, "Because I can. I will."

Anyway, bravo. The 965 needs to come down in price.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Anyway, bravo. The 965 needs to come down in price.

It probably will, but how much cheaper does it need to get? It's already below $200 at several outlets now (granted, some of those may be C2 chips), and if you're an overclocker, there's virtually no reason to get the 965 over the C3 955 anyway (not that the 955 saves you all that much money).

As Mark pointed out, the 965's total system cost comes out lower than the i3's, and the i3 loses out in enough benchmarks to call the 965 faster (before or after OCing).

 

[Enigmatic]

Mark's assumption was based around an $80 motherboard. People who want more feature-rich motherboards will realize that the AM3 cost advantage quickly diminishes as soon as you start considering the higher tier boards (790FX and the like, but then again, you do get dual x16 PCI-E lanes here...). But for those that need a no frills board, then yeah, total system costs for AMD will be a lot cheaper.

Personally, I just think that hovering around the $200 price point is too close to the i5. I think the entire Phenom line needs to be bumped down around 10% in price to be more competitive. I know it's stupid to have your flagship selling for so low, but hey, I think that's what it's worth.

 

[mav451]

I dunno, I suspect being only 2 cores that you can OC just as well on the $100 or less P55 boards, and with MC selling the i3 530 @ $99, you got the $200 combo for the masses. The 750's new price means that the true quad-core combo is closer to $300 instead of $250, so kind of a significant jump in cost nowadays.

 

[Ichigo]

How about a dedicated thread for i3 vs i5 at max overclocks?

Or would that not fit the "Intel good, AMD bad" paradigm that you seem to be going for?

Anyway, i5 seems to be the better deal still, based on using the same P55 motherboard.

 

[Accord99]

Perhaps, but why did it affect minimum framerate so much but not average? And why did it take him 4 ghz to "hit the wall" on that chip? And it is two 9600GTs in SLI, no? That's not absolutely terrible..

The minimum FPS might be noisy, especially if the benchmark just selects the single lowest measurement. It could be the stock speed value is the outlier.

 

[DrMrLordX]

The minimum FPS might be noisy, especially if the benchmark just selects the single lowest measurement. It could be the stock speed value is the outlier.

Possibly so. Without more data points it'll be hard to tell for sure.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Hey Zeus, did you ever get that 5850 installed on your i3 system? I'd be interested in seeing if the same min fps scaling issue occurred at CPU clock speeds higher than 4 ghz.

That is, if you have the time for such things.

 

[cbn]

FarCry2

1680X1050 - Medium Setting

3.2Ghz :

4Ghz :

4.6Ghz:

Thanks for the benchmarks.

Now we need some aircooled gaming results using AMD Phenom II quad cores.

 

[JMapleton]

My only observation is that the I3@$150+$200 mobo (Isn't that the prices of what you used?) is $350 total (approx) and the 965 is $200+$80 motherboard and still beats it big time. Based on $/performance, the 965 clearly is a winner in this scenario.

Sounds like logic from AMD zone to me.

 

[soccerballtux]

Sounds like logic from AMD zone to me.

Oh please...

 

[Avalon]

Meh, I tire of people trying to turn neutered down CPUs into something they're not by overclocking them. It's like putting rims on Chevy Aveo. Flashy, but still wont get you any p*ssy.

I think I'll just keep saving up for an i7-980.

That's not even a remotely correct analogy. The rims on the Aveo are purely for looks, and cost money.

Overclocking an i3 is free, and adds real performance.

Not that I'm a fan of the i3, but just felt compelled to point out the ridiculous.

 

[Axon]

Does an i3 require an H55 chipset? Further, you can use any GPU you want with an H55, yeah? It just had onboard graphics if you want 'em?

 

[Markfw]

Sounds like logic from AMD zone to me.

Since I got the prices from newegg, and the benchmarks from this thread (that no one has argued) how do you get this ?

I don't take kindly to comments like this that have no foundation.

 

[soccerballtux]

Since I got the prices from newegg, and the benchmarks from this thread (that no one has argued) how do you get this ?

I don't take kindly to comments like this that have no foundation.

I don't think he can't be serious; perhaps he's being facetious, because obviously going for price/performance is in everybody's best interest, heh.

 

[Maximilian]

Bleh, i would take any quad over a dual. Phenom II > i3.