Core 2 Quad to Richland?

[DanStp]

Presently I have a Q9550 processor on a Gigabyte P45 chip set board with 8 GB of DDR2 ram, SSD, various HD's, Etc. Oh yeah a 7850 video card.

I am planning to carry over my video card, SSD, and HD's etc

I have some free parts that I can use, including a lower end FM2 Gigabyte motherboard, some good Samsung DDR3 ram.

So what I am trying to determine is what will be my performance with the new Richland FM2 chip I guess the 6800K vs my current setup. I do know even using a very low end Trinity dual core the SSD performance is much better on the FM2 platform. (SATA II vs SATA III)

Is this worth doing, moving to the new platform with the top of the line Richland chip vs going with IB, or Haswell, or Steamroller later? It does look much cheaper since I have the parts, but will I be taking a big step back in CPU performance?

Thanks

Well guys I think it is Haswell time for me Thanks for all your input!

 

[Enigmoid]

Richland is a sidegrade, and imo rather pointless. With a 7850 you have no need of the igp so you would be better served with a 6300.

 

[tweakboy]

If I were you, I would get a SSD .. and then later on upgrade mobo CPU and RAM ....

SSD will give your CPU wings. Grab a 500GB or Crucial 980GB ......you will be blown away how fast that desktop becomes,,,,

 

[lagokc]

You certainly won't be going backward in CPU performance. Richland should be at least as fast as the Core2Quad clock for clock but with a massive clockspeed advantage. If you've already got an FM2 board then it might be a decent upgrade considering the top Richland CPU will probably only be $130-140.

 

[Yuriman]

^ As lagokc said, Richland is about even clock-for-clock, but clocks higher. If you don't need the iGPU, it's not the chip to buy.

 

[Enigmoid]

Trinity and richland offer comparable performance in singlethread tasks despite trinity having much higher clocks. Just OC your Q9550.

Using Lame and itunes as a measure of singlethread performance.

In LAME they are very close. Stock vs Stock the a10 is approximately 14% faster, Richland is supposed to be 10% faster (cpu frequency increase from 4.0 ghz to 4.4 ghz) so Richland will be approximately 25% faster than a stock Q9550, however OC that Q9550 to 3.4 ghz and richland is only a couple percent higher(~5%). Of course you can OC that richland chip too but you aren't looking a a very large increase in cpu power. Q9550 also has 4 real cores so it will scale better in MT.

Similar for itunes. Richland will be slightly faster vs stock Q9550 (about 10-15%) but OC and the difference pretty much is gone.

Again Richland is a side grade. I strongly suggest you keep and OC your cpu instead of buying a new CPU + mobo + RAM to get a couple percent more performance (if you are going to do that just go all out and buy an 6300/8350/3570k). In terms of singlethread performance a 4.4 ghz trinity (identical to richland) will match a 3.5-3.6 ghz Q9550 (Q9550 will possibly do better because it has full cores vs trinity/richland modules).

 

[tweakboy]

Q660 is a pos sorry just my experience.. I ran one for 5 years @ 3.7Ghz

simply cant handle todays games if your on LGA 775 .

 

[crashtech]

It would be best to sell the FM2 board. If you want to try AMD, you need to get an AM3+ board instead. There's no real point to going with FM2 since you have a decent video card, and nothing that fits the socket would give you enough CPU performance to be worthwhile. Also, we may see the price of 1155 parts drop as Haswell is released, particularly in the used market. A used Sandy Bridge K series CPU might actually give the best price/performance ratio this summer.

 

[SiliconWars]

Should sell the intel chip+mobo on eBay and buy the 6800K when it becomes available. It will be faster in everything and some poor sap will pay more for the Q9550 just because they don't know what they are buying.

 

[Accord99]

Should sell the intel chip+mobo on eBay and buy the 6800K when it becomes available. It will be faster in everything and some poor sap will pay a lot more for the 9550 just because they don't know what they are buying.

Or they know what they're doing and overclocking.

 

[SiliconWars]

Or they know what they're doing and overclocking.

If they really knew what they were doing they wouldn't touch the Q9550 with this mobo.

 

[crashtech]

Why would he sell his running system, then wait for the release of something that probably won't be a stellar upgrade anyway? How does FM2 makes sense for someone who owns a discrete GPU that already exceeds the performance of any upcoming FM2 APU?

 

[Torn Mind]

There will be a small CPU performance gain upgrading to Richland. An FX-6300 is the bare minimum at which there are some tangible gains, but there are no big leaps until you get into the FX-8350 or i5 and above territory CPU-wise. There is very little reason to upgrade a Core 2 Quad like the Q9550 to any chip that is under $130 bucks retail.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

i highly doubt that would be worth it. then you add in the bugs and incompatibilities and its a definite no-go

 

[VirtualLarry]

i highly doubt that would be worth it. then you add in the bugs and incompatibilities and its a definite no-go

Bugs and incompatibilities? Is that AMD FUD? Or are you talking about Intel's upcoming Haswell? (Documented bugs.)

Because I haven't read anything about the FM2 platform being "buggy or incompatible" at all.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

Bugs and incompatibilities? Is that AMD FUD? Or are you talking about Intel's upcoming Haswell? (Documented bugs.)

Because I haven't read anything about the FM2 platform being "buggy or incompatible" at all.

yeah intel too with new stuff, but as a linux user ive definitely found amd a little more flaky

 

[VirtualLarry]

yeah intel too with new stuff, but as a linux user ive definitely found amd a little more flaky

But that has a lot more to do with Linux support, and a lot less to do with AMD hardware. Your original post wouldn't have seemed so FUDdish, if you had mentioned Linux in the same sentence.

 

[SPBHM]

I don't see much point, apart from perhaps the other nice things you get (DDR3, Sata III, USB 3.0, lower power usage)

performance is close.
richland should have the same CPU performance (apart from clock) as trinity, so here you can see like a 3.8GHz Trinity compares to a 3.2GHz C2Q (and your q9550 can probably run at around 3.8GHz at least, the APU probably around 4.4)

http://anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=48

 

[Arachnotronic]

Why not go with a 3570K?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Why not go with a 3570K?

Or rather the 4670K in 6 days.

 

[R0H1T]

This is what you can expect in terms of performance difference at stock, certainly even more for IGP related stuff ~
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=75

 

[SPBHM]

This is what you can expect in terms of performance difference at stock, certainly even more for IGP related stuff ~
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=75

!?

q9300 have half the l2 cache, if you are trying to compensate for what richland is going to bring...
q9300 = 2.5GHz with 6MB, Q9550 = 2.83GHz with 12MB.
5800K = 3.8GHz, 6800K = 4.1GHz

also q9550 + p45... it overclocks quite nicely (a lot more than the 6800K probably)
and as my post shows, 3.2GHz OC q9550 is basically the same as a stock 5800K at 3.8GHz (+turbo)...


p45 have no IGP.

 

[R0H1T]

!?

q9300 have half the l2 cache, if you are trying to compensate for what richland is going to bring...
q9300 = 2.5GHz with 6MB, Q9550 = 2.83GHz with 12MB.
5800K = 3.8GHz, 6800K = 4.1GHz

also q9550 + p45... it overclocks quite nicely (a lot more than the 6800K probably)
and as my post shows, 3.2GHz OC q9550 is basically the same as a stock 5800K at 3.8GHz (+turbo)...


p45 have no IGP.

What I meant to say was that the difference in performance shown in the previous chart is what can be expected between a stock richland A10 & Q9550 again at stock, overclocking obviously skews a lot of charts either way ! The IGP reference was in terms of applications that can use OpenCL wherein such a performance lead could be handy in certain cases.

edit : This is what the comparison would look like, taking your numbers as reference, but richland should be anywhere between 5~15% faster going by the rumors floating around ~

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/48?vs=675

 

[Soulkeeper]

I went from Q9450 to llano and would consider it a sidegrade performance wise.
The extra L2 cache on the c2q's comes in handy with many apps.
Power usage was night and day however.
cpu wise trinity/richland aren't much faster than llano imo (mostly single threaded due to high clock speeds).

I'd say it's a reasonable upgrade/sidegrade if you are concerned with power usage and can get a good price.

As others have hinted, there are better choices for raw cpu performance however.

 

[Centauri]

Sounds like more than just a 'sidegrade' when you envision another 5-10% atop the advantages the 5800K already has over the 9550;

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=50