Copyright has gone too far

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Mark R

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It's probably not a deliberate attack, rather it is the result of a special arrangement that companies like Sony have with youtube, and negligence by Sony's legal team.

Essentially, Sony have been using the Blender video as part of their promotional material (permissible as the blender video is released as creative commons).

However, Sony's legal team have likely negligently submitted all of their promotional video to youtube, as examples of Sony copyright material. Youtube then adds the material to their copyright filters and autoblocks matches to that material.

There are companies out there who deliberately try to do the same thing - they obtain non-exclusive licenses to a variety of royalty free music/video clips, etc. and then submit them to youtube claiming to have an exclusive license, and steal the adverts on the videos.

There have been people on this forum caught out by that, and friends of mine have been caught out by other shysters who scan youtube for viral videos, and then submit completely fake copyright claims on them. They then drag out the appeals process, so that the video is long forgotten by the time the claim is dropped - however, they've kept all the advertising income during the viral phase.
 
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this is automated copyright protection systems doing their thing without a human checking the stuff first. It's an error.
I don't think Sony is playing the game mark's cited, they have plenty of legit copyrighted content already.
 
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ImpulsE69

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Not exactly sure how "it's an automated error" makes it ok? If you want to reverse it YOU have to go through all the work.

They should be fined and the person taken down should get that money each time it happens. What's good for the goose...of course that won't happen because yet again, it's "we the corporations".
 
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Mark R

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Murloc said:
this is automated copyright protection systems doing their thing without a human checking the stuff first. It's an error.
I don't think Sony is playing the game mark's cited, they have plenty of legit copyrighted content already.
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It's probably not deliberate; just negligent.

It happened to me, I had a funny video clip, and a TV company reused it (with permission). However, they then submitted their whole TV program as copyright reference material and my video got blocked, because the TV company were negligent in claiming to youtube that they have an exclusive license (they didn't - the license I gave them was non-exclusive).

The TV production company were very quick to release the block and very apologetic. But Youtube were utterly useless.
 
Red Squirrel

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Thing is, this happens a lot. If it was not for draconian copyright laws this stuff would not be happening. Laws should not be automated. People should only be made guilty if it's actually validated by a human, whether it's an actual court ruling, or something less official like having content removed. It's just gone full retard now.

Youtube is also highly at fault here for enforcing these draconian laws so much. They should not remove anything without any proof. The whole automation thing is BS.
 
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Mark R

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It's not that the copyright laws are draconian that this is a problem.

It is that the law does not prescribe a penalty for a false copyright claim.
 
Rakehellion

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Red Squirrel said:
Yeah, stupidity on Sony and Youtube's part. I'm just the messenger.
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They aren't paying any money to use Youtube and aren't owed anything. They can get fucked in every way imaginable and it's all kosher by the terms of service they agreed to when they signed up.
 
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Soundmanred

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They should sue to get their money back! This is ridiculous! I'm sure they pay quite a bit to have their content hosted and then this happens?! What a slap in the face to paying customers! Shame on you, Youtube!
 
Jodell88

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I'm pretty sure this is YouTube's fault and not Sony. Sony isn't that stupid.

Also, Project Gooseberry is looking awesome!
 
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Mark R

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Jodell88 said:
I'm pretty sure this is YouTube's fault and not Sony. Sony isn't that stupid.
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I disagree. Youtube's contentID matching system is very good, with very few false positives. It is very capable, in that it can detect music even if it is a cover version, and can detect the game when a video contains in-game footage.

The only time I've ever had genuine incorrect auto matches is when I've uploaded car videos, and it's matched the engine soundtrack to a car review, or something similar.

It is almost certain that this issue is that Sony has uploaded a "reference" copy of their 4k catalog (which includes the Blender video) and labelled the whole collection as their copyright.
 
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Mark R said:
I disagree. Youtube's contentID matching system is very good, with very few false positives. It is very capable, in that it can detect music even if it is a cover version, and can detect the game when a video contains in-game footage.

The only time I've ever had genuine incorrect auto matches is when I've uploaded car videos, and it's matched the engine soundtrack to a car review, or something similar.

It is almost certain that this issue is that Sony has uploaded a "reference" copy of their 4k catalog (which includes the Blender video) and labelled the whole collection as their copyright.
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Oh really? When your videos get flagged by some company when you are the creator of said content, is not YouTube's fault?

When YouTube flagged hundreds if not thousands of videos at the end of 2013, having game companies themselves scrambling to help YouTubers in the havoc that it created. Is that not Youtube's fault?

When you create a video and someone takes said video uploads it to their channel and files a copyright claim against you and YouTube sides with them. Is that not YouTube's fault?
 
CZroe

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All Rights Reversed
Copyleft
Heaven's down and Hell is up
It never stops and no one's stopping
 
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Mark R

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Jodell88 said:
Oh really? When your videos get flagged by some company when you are the creator of said content, is not YouTube's fault?

When YouTube flagged hundreds if not thousands of videos at the end of 2013, having game companies themselves scrambling to help YouTubers in the havoc that it created. Is that not Youtube's fault?

When you create a video and someone takes said video uploads it to their channel and files a copyright claim against you and YouTube sides with them. Is that not YouTube's fault?
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In the first case, it's not youtube doing the flagging. It is someone claiming to own the copyright. Whether they do or they don't, it's not for Youtube to judge whether the claim is legitimate.

Similarly, in the final case, youtube doesn't side with anyone - the decisions are taken purely the accuser. Youtube are doing what they need to do to protect themselves; the penalty for not complying with a genuine request is substantial; but there is no penalty in law for complying with a false request.

The problem in these cases, is that there is no penalty in law for a false accusation.
 
Red Squirrel

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Jay5 said:
youtube went downhill with google+ anyway
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Yeah pretty much. It's been going downhill since Google took over but google+ was a crucifixion nail right in the coffin.

The biggest issue I've been seeing with Youtube is how videos are constantly being pulled off. There is way too much censorship. There needs to be a better video site that takes over, perhaps something p2p based so videos can't be constantly taken down. Anyone could start their own server and link to the master server so the videos would be searchable. Basically large channels would just have their own servers which they run themselves and not have to depend on a 3rd party removing their content. All servers would be meshed together and when you do a search you can either search on just the server you're on or all servers. An index file would constantly be propagating throughout the network.

The issue is youtube has such a large population just because it's what people know, so it would be tough to get people to move especially large established channels.
 
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