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Copy a compliation CD? The RIAA wants you to pay 1.5 million

aphex

aphex

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As if I didn't detest the RIAA enough before, this is just absolutely out of hand. I wasn't sure what area of law I wanted to get into, but it's looking more and more like I would like to find a way to get into copyright/IP law.

Why should someone who robs a store get hit with a $100,000 fine, but if they copy a cd they get hit with upwards of $1,500,000? Bullshit.
 
You should be fined or arrested the same amount as you would if you were to steal the CD from a store and even that is a HUGE stretch. I bought the damn CD, I'll copy it if I want to.
 
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Heh, that's crazy stuff. Damages in copyright law are ridiculous, hopefully this doesn't go through.
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I believe they are so high because it is easy to get away with. Thus a more significant deterrent is deemed necessary. You think that it is absurd that the penalty for copyright infringement is so much higher than shoplifting the same copyrighted work, but despite the vastly disproportionate punishments, which happens more? You need a bigger deterrent when it's so easy to get away with. That's why the RIAA has been suing people. It's not about getting back at those people, it's about the deterrent effect. There is no disincentive to download music illegally if there are no repercussions.
 
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Heh, that's crazy stuff. Damages in copyright law are ridiculous, hopefully this doesn't go through.
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I believe they are so high because it is easy to get away with. Thus a more significant deterrent is deemed necessary. You think that it is absurd that the penalty for copyright infringement is so much higher than shoplifting the same copyrighted work, but despite the vastly disproportionate punishments, which happens more? You need a bigger deterrent when it's so easy to get away with. That's why the RIAA has been suing people. It's not about getting back at those people, it's about the deterrent effect. There is no disincentive to download music illegally if there are no repercussions.
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But just because something is easier, doesn't mean it should carry a much stiffer penalty IMO.

Kind of a random example, but take the train system in the Netherlands (at least how it was back in 2002). If you don't buy a ticket before you get on, or let the attendant know you want to buy a ticket when you first see him, you get charged the full ticket price, plus a 30 Euro fine. Its easy as heck to cheat the system, just hop on a train and hope you don't get caught. But the penalty is proportionate to the crime.

1.5 million per cd isn't going to deter anyone cause they could never afford to pay it. If it was something reasonable, that they COULD actually pay and as a result DO, it would hit them differently I think.
 
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Heh, that's crazy stuff. Damages in copyright law are ridiculous, hopefully this doesn't go through.
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I believe they are so high because it is easy to get away with. Thus a more significant deterrent is deemed necessary. You think that it is absurd that the penalty for copyright infringement is so much higher than shoplifting the same copyrighted work, but despite the vastly disproportionate punishments, which happens more? You need a bigger deterrent when it's so easy to get away with. That's why the RIAA has been suing people. It's not about getting back at those people, it's about the deterrent effect. There is no disincentive to download music illegally if there are no repercussions.
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A good point, but still, it just doesn't seem right. The death penalty would be an excellent deterrent to jaywalking, but does that mean we should do it?
 
amusing to say the least, I love how hard they go after people who copy cd's/movies/games they OWN... But what about the blank media makers? Without taking a poll, I can be pretty damn sure nobody who stays totally legal has a need to buy a 100 spindle of CD's or DVD's. My dad copies picture he takes for a few people once in a blue moon. even a 50 spindle would last him for basically ever.

Last time I was at Best Buy this guy in the media department was buying 4 100 spindles, they were on super sale like 25 bucks each. He told me he had more at the house. hehe

Sony want to put DRM everything to bloody hell, yet I can buy unlimited blank disc's from them, ironic. I wonder if Sony believes the people buying the huge 100 spindles DVD's are doing so to make copies of their vacation videos?

I wonder if in the future, like 50 years the RIAA will have came up with some way to make us forget a song we heard on the radio and don't own after we've heard it. That way we can't even think about the song we heard, because that's stealing!

dumb dumb dumb. Shit like this makes me want to pirate music just because I hate their methods so much.
 
Originally posted by: QueBert
amusing to say the least, I love how hard they go after people who copy cd's/movies/games they OWN... But what about the blank media makers? Without taking a poll, I can be pretty damn sure nobody who stays totally legal has a need to buy a 100 spindle of CD's or DVD's. My dad copies picture he takes for a few people once in a blue moon. even a 50 spindle would last him for basically ever.

Last time I was at Best Buy this guy in the media department was buying 4 100 spindles, they were on super sale like 25 bucks each. He told me he had more at the house. hehe

Sony want to put DRM everything to bloody hell, yet I can buy unlimited blank disc's from them, ironic. I wonder if Sony believes the people buying the huge 100 spindles DVD's are doing so to make copies of their vacation videos?

I wonder if in the future, like 50 years the RIAA will have came up with some way to make us forget a song we heard on the radio and don't own after we've heard it. That way we can't even think about the song we heard, because that's stealing!

dumb dumb dumb. Shit like this makes me want to pirate music just because I hate their methods so much.
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I used 25-50 at home in the past 6 months for legal (not music cds) use.
I use 100+ every two months here at work for legal use.
 
I don't agree with the RIAA's behavior or this proposed legislation, but:

Despite the vaguely worded example in the Arsticle, this isn't about for making a mix tape from songs you own, it's about increasing the maximum penalty for bulk copying and P2P distribution of CDs.

If you're caught and convicted of P2P sharing of your collection it doesn't matter much whether it's $200K or $2 million, you're settling or declaring bankruptcy either way.

If that sounds unfair to you, you can always stay 100% safe and stop sharing.
 
Originally posted by: QueBert
amusing to say the least, I love how hard they go after people who copy cd's/movies/games they OWN... But what about the blank media makers? Without taking a poll, I can be pretty damn sure nobody who stays totally legal has a need to buy a 100 spindle of CD's or DVD's. My dad copies picture he takes for a few people once in a blue moon. even a 50 spindle would last him for basically ever.

Last time I was at Best Buy this guy in the media department was buying 4 100 spindles, they were on super sale like 25 bucks each. He told me he had more at the house. hehe

Sony want to put DRM everything to bloody hell, yet I can buy unlimited blank disc's from them, ironic. I wonder if Sony believes the people buying the huge 100 spindles DVD's are doing so to make copies of their vacation videos?

I wonder if in the future, like 50 years the RIAA will have came up with some way to make us forget a song we heard on the radio and don't own after we've heard it. That way we can't even think about the song we heard, because that's stealing!

dumb dumb dumb. Shit like this makes me want to pirate music just because I hate their methods so much.
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What do they care, as long as they're making money? They sell the music CD-Rs with copyright infringement tax built-in and then sue you for copying music to them. It's good biz, brother. 😀
 
Originally posted by: aphex
I wasn't sure what area of law I wanted to get into, but it's looking more and more like I would like to find a way to get into copyright/IP law.
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You really should.

I'm guessing there's not enough lawyers on the "good side" that are knowledgeable on these matters.
 
The RIAA is losing money left and right, and they need a way to fill the void online distribution has created in their coffers so they are sue happy hoping to go back to pre-napster and put the genie called the internet back in its bottle. As the atomic bomb was created and the nuclear genie was forever released, the internet has released us from the shackles of the RIAA and they are not happy about it. Soon enough the RIAA will go after somebody that will fight back and put them in their place. I believe that we are getting close a "landmark case" that the RIAA will lose, and give the control back to the artists and consumer. I, for one, cannot wait until the dogs of RIAA get beat back into a cage that the FCC could join them in. The FCC and RIAA both have come to become like "the man" in the famous Apple 1982ish commercial.
 
Originally posted by: child of wonder
American citizens should rise up and slay the RIAA.
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"Rising against" a corporation in today's AMERICA Inc., will get you declared an enemy combatant, and your actions "terrorist".
Corporations are the shadow government.
Lobbyist's Dollars > Citizen's Rights.


edit: Get used to it.

 
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
The RIAA is losing money left and right, and they need a way to fill the void online distribution has created in their coffers so they are sue happy hoping to go back to pre-napster and put the genie called the internet back in its bottle. As the atomic bomb was created and the nuclear genie was forever released, the internet has released us from the shackles of the RIAA and they are not happy about it. Soon enough the RIAA will go after somebody that will fight back and put them in their place. I believe that we are getting close a "landmark case" that the RIAA will lose, and give the control back to the artists and consumer. I, for one, cannot wait until the dogs of RIAA get beat back into a cage that the FCC could join them in. The FCC and RIAA both have come to become like "the man" in the famous Apple 1982ish commercial.
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online distro isnt the only reason they are losing money

people collectivily realized that most music is pure fing shit and dont buy it anymore, for some reason the RIAA does not understand that
 
It will be such a blessed day when the RIAA stops trying to desperately hold onto its antiquated business model and simply accept the fact that technology and the internet have changed they way people enjoy their music in this modern day.
 
Originally posted by: Anubis
online distro isnt the only reason they are losing money

people collectivily realized that most music is pure fing shit and dont buy it anymore, for some reason the RIAA does not understand that
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I'd buy that argument if people weren't downloading it all willy nilly. 😉 If it's so bad, they wouldn't download it either.
 
Originally posted by: aphex
...but it's looking more and more like I would like to find a way to get into copyright/IP law.
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that won't change the laws
you need to become a politician if you want to change the law
or a lobbyist
 
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