Cops: U.S. law should require logs of your text messages

Oldgamer

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Silicon Valley firms and privacy groups want Congress to update a 1986-era electronic privacy law. But if a law enforcement idea set to be presented today gets attached, support for the popular proposal would erode.

AT&T, Verizon Wireless, Sprint, and other wireless providers would be required to capture and store Americans' confidential text messages, according to a proposal that will be presented to a congressional panel today.

The law enforcement proposal would require wireless providers to record and store customers' SMS messages -- a controversial idea akin to requiring them to surreptitiously record audio of their customers' phone calls -- in case police decide to obtain them at some point in the future.

The law enforcement proposal would require wireless providers to record and store customers' SMS messages -- a controversial idea akin to requiring them to surreptitiously record audio of their customers' phone calls -- in case police decide to obtain them at some point in the future.

They had asked that an SMS retention requirement be glued onto any new law designed to update the 1986 Electronic Communications Privacy Act for the cloud computing era -- a move that would complicate debate over such a measure and erode support for it among civil libertarians and the technology firms lobbying for a rewrite.

Today's hearing before a House Judiciary subcommittee chaired by Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wisc.) is designed to evaluate how ECPA should be upgraded. CNET reported yesterday that the Justice Department is proposing that any ECPA changes expand government surveillance powers over e-mail messages, Twitter direct messages, and Facebook direct messages in some ways, while limiting it in others. A Google representative is also testifying.
While the SMS retention proposal could open a new front in Capitol Hill politicking over electronic surveillance, the concept of mandatory data retention is hardly new.

The Justice Department under President Obama has publicly called for new laws requiring Internet service providers to record data about their customers, and a House panel approved such a requirement in 2011.

Wireless providers' current SMS retention policies vary. An internal Justice Department document (PDF) that the ACLU obtained through the Freedom of Information Act shows that, as of 2010, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint did not store the contents of text messages. Verizon did for up to five days, a change from its earlier no-logs-at-all position, and Virgin Mobile kept them for 90 days. The carriers generally kept metadata such as the phone numbers associated with the text for 90 days to 18 months; AT&T was an outlier, keeping it for as long as seven years.

An e-mail message from a detective in the Baltimore County Police Department, leaked by Antisec and reproduced in a 2011 Wired article, says that Verizon keeps "text message content on their servers for 3-5 days." And: "Sprint stores their text message content going back 12 days and Nextel content for 7 days. AT&T/Cingular do not preserve content at all. Us Cellular: 3-5 days Boost Mobile LLC: 7 days"

During a criminal prosecution of a man for suspected murder of a 6-year-old boy, police in Cranston, R.I., tried to obtain copies of a customer's text messages from T-Mobile and Verizon. Superior Court Judge Judith Savage said at the time that, although she was "not unfamiliar with cell phones and text messaging," she "was stunned" to learn that providers had such different policies.

Littlehale also proposed that any attempt to update ECPA include revised "emergency" language that would allow police to demand records from providers without search warrants in some cases.
Chris Calabrese, legislative counsel for the ACLU, says he's skeptical about expanding emergency access. "Emergency can't be a magic word," he says. "Emergencies have to be documented subsequently to a judge the same way we would with a wiretap."

Link to news article: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-5...aw-should-require-logs-of-your-text-messages/
 

Oldgamer

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But hey.. if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about right? (insert sarcastic tone)
 

sm625

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There's my txt msg log you fascist pig mofo.

Good luck decyphering that.

Then the next law the fascistspigs and their bootlickers pass is a law requiring all txt msgs be legible and properly formatted. Even one lettEr out of plcae could mean you are trying to send a code to one of your inmates. At what point do you say this is so far beyond absurd that the only solution is to fire any public sector employee who advocates this types of fascism?
 

PokerGuy

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Two parts should make everyone very nervous about this stuff. One, they want to mandate data retention, which would in theory make that data available for discovery for all sorts of non-criminal discovery (civil matters like divorce cases, employer wanting to know what you texted, etc). Why should your privacy for text communication be any less than regular phone conversations?

Second, the DoJ and law enforcement want to make all the data available to them without requiring a warrant. In other words, there would be absolutely no checks in place that the data pulled is used for legitimate purposes, and the system is rife for abuse.

Thumbs down on this.
 

sixone

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So what? Obamacare is going to record every iota of your personal medical information, and you're worried about a few text messages?

Nothing new here.
 

PokerGuy

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So what? Obamacare is going to record every iota of your personal medical information, and you're worried about a few text messages?

I'm 100% opposed to that massive pile of fail as well, but that's a different discussion :)
 

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Two parts should make everyone very nervous about this stuff. One, they want to mandate data retention, which would in theory make that data available for discovery for all sorts of non-criminal discovery (civil matters like divorce cases, employer wanting to know what you texted, etc). Why should your privacy for text communication be any less than regular phone conversations?

Second, the DoJ and law enforcement want to make all the data available to them without requiring a warrant. In other words, there would be absolutely no checks in place that the data pulled is used for legitimate purposes, and the system is rife for abuse.

Thumbs down on this.
This. Plus, a text that is perfectly innocent can with hindsight be spun into something that seems incriminating, which is a good reason to not allow fishing expeditions. If the cops truly need this, let them get a friendly judge. (Although as a cop friend once told me, when you wake 'em up at 2 AM there are no friendly judges.)
 

ElFenix

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fuck the security state. civil society should not be a panopticon.
 

sixone

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I'm 100% opposed to that massive pile of fail as well, but that's a different discussion :)

I'm right there with ya, bub. But the same principle applies: an awful lot of us are willing to trade their freedom and their privacy for other things.
 

gevorg

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this might be new for cops, but higher level government agencies had this sort of access for years, such as AT&T Room 641A

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PokerGuy

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This. Plus, a text that is perfectly innocent can with hindsight be spun into something that seems incriminating, which is a good reason to not allow fishing expeditions. If the cops truly need this, let them get a friendly judge. (Although as a cop friend once told me, when you wake 'em up at 2 AM there are no friendly judges.)

I hadn't thought of that, but you're right, that's another problem. It's very easy to lose context and nuance when you're working with individual 140 character messages. Heck, even emails can get completely twisted in meaning under a microscope, texts are even worse.
 

PokerGuy

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I'm right there with ya, bub. But the same principle applies: an awful lot of us are willing to trade their freedom and their privacy for other things.

You're absolutely right, people are all to willing to throw out their rights for promises of safety/security. Unfortunately, that tradeoff rarely works well.
 

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everything WE say CAN and WILL be used in the court of law, FOREVER.

I can't believe this sort of law is even being contemplated. This is the most communist idea we have come up with yet...
 

MtnMan

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They probably already are, along with recording every voice phone call, land line and cell.

Of course they say they are not, and if you take these bastards word for it your are a fucking idiot.

Oh yea, they are probably capturing this traffic as well, FU big brother:mad:
 

OverVolt

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Ya, they can retroactively change laws. What you say now might not be illegal but in the future it might be.

In other news let me go on facebook and spout opinions everywhere.
 

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I really don't talk much about what I do for a living. But I will state that I am involved in content archiving and other technology tools used to leverage that archived information.

I have been involved with some RFPs that would make your skin crawl. this is important because until now sms messaging retention has dodged the typical legality that allows and requires capture of other types of electronic data.


and I will tell you unequivocally without a doubt not only do other content and data types get archived currently but there are mechanisms in place to react to that data should the need arise.
 
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Cops: The USA should become a police state where police can monitor all of your activities 24/7 without annoying warrants.