Cops shouldn't pull you over when they have no reason to

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: pcslookout
The problem today is people is always in to much of a hurry. What is the problem of taking 5 minutes to the most 15 minutes to stop for a police officer so they can check to make sure everything is ok ? Wouldn't you rather them catch a thief and have your items returned to you then not if you were ever robbed?

how about taking 5 minutes out of your day and opening your home to an officer w/o a warrant as well?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Can they search your house at random too?

It will only take an hour, and it makes us all safer.

If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?

And why are you in such a hurry? It's only an hour out of your day. You have 24 of them.

sorry but the difference is that when you are in your car on a public road you are in public. Therefore anything you do in public is not subject to the same rules and regulations of privacy as when you are in the privacy of your home.


driving is a privilege, not a right...some tend to forget that.

Privileges come with prices, and in this case yes you may be subject to random stops.

If you don't like it, don't drive...pretty simple really.

Wrong.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

The 4th amendment does not go out of the door simply because you walk/drive out in public.

That guy was a fvcktard. Driving is a privledge, yes...but just because one drives doesn't make you give up your basic rights.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Makes sense to me, really. If I'm driving that late, I'm typically buzzed or stoned.

Good for you. Your being an idiot doesn't give the police the right to harass everyone else.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Can they search your house at random too?

It will only take an hour, and it makes us all safer.

If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?

And why are you in such a hurry? It's only an hour out of your day. You have 24 of them.

sorry but the difference is that when you are in your car on a public road you are in public. Therefore anything you do in public is not subject to the same rules and regulations of privacy as when you are in the privacy of your home.


driving is a privilege, not a right...some tend to forget that.

Privileges come with prices, and in this case yes you may be subject to random stops.

If you don't like it, don't drive...pretty simple really.

so you label driving as a privilege and then use that as a basis to strip citizens of constitutional protections? Your reasoning is just patently incorrect.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Can they search your house at random too?

It will only take an hour, and it makes us all safer.

If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?

And why are you in such a hurry? It's only an hour out of your day. You have 24 of them.

sorry but the difference is that when you are in your car on a public road you are in public. Therefore anything you do in public is not subject to the same rules and regulations of privacy as when you are in the privacy of your home.


driving is a privilege, not a right...some tend to forget that.

Privileges come with prices, and in this case yes you may be subject to random stops.

If you don't like it, don't drive...pretty simple really.

so you label driving as a privilege and then use that as a basis to strip citizens of constitutional protections? Your reasoning is just patently incorrect.

being pulled over does not "strip citizens of constitutional protections".

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Can they search your house at random too?

It will only take an hour, and it makes us all safer.

If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?

And why are you in such a hurry? It's only an hour out of your day. You have 24 of them.

sorry but the difference is that when you are in your car on a public road you are in public. Therefore anything you do in public is not subject to the same rules and regulations of privacy as when you are in the privacy of your home.


driving is a privilege, not a right...some tend to forget that.

Privileges come with prices, and in this case yes you may be subject to random stops.

If you don't like it, don't drive...pretty simple really.

so you label driving as a privilege and then use that as a basis to strip citizens of constitutional protections? Your reasoning is just patently incorrect.

being pulled over does not "strip citizens of constitutional protections".

being pulled over with reasonable suspicion does - its an illegal seizure of the person.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: meltdown75

It gets old; being accused of being up to no good, when all I'm trying to do is go home.

how many people in the car? mid-20s? come on man, there isn't a cop out there that wouldn't pull you over. deal with it.

Black? In a nice car? He must have stolen it. Pull him over, if he gives you any lip drag him out and taser him.

You know, I find your attitude not just argumentative, but rather offensive with the constant references to Facism and Racial Profiling. I wish you would stop and have a conversation like an adult.

As for the rest of this thread, this is typical of ATOT.

Stopping the car can be done if the officer has reasonable suspicion. Seriously, police are not dumb! If you are out a 3AM, doing everything 100% right, it is a little strange. They didn't search his car, they didn't ask to search his car, they just wanted to make sure everything is ok.

I'm not even going to address Racial Profiling because it is ludicrous. I'm not so naive to say that it never happens, but they are very remote isolated incidents. It isn't widespread like some of you are making it out to be.

Like I said blowing this simple series of questions up to a full blown 4th Amendment violation is stupid. Clearly your bias has gotten in the way of clear thinking here.

-Kevin

So you're saying there's an informal curfew created by the police? How is being out late suspicious? Is someone on their way to an early shift at work suspicious?

Sorry, but pigs don't make the rules. Until lawmakers pass a curfew that applies to all citizens, then it's harassment. There is no reasonable suspicion based solely on the time one chooses to be in public.

If anybody needs to act like an adult it's you. You're the one who feels adults can't be out after 3am without being criminals.

I am not the one insulting people for no reason. I state my opinion which counters yours. Its called a discussion or an argument. That doesn't involve insulting one or the others argument.

I never said or suggested a curfew of any type. Generally most people in the respective time zone are asleep at 3AM. Typically robberies and what not happen in the dead of night, not in broad daylight. Please note that the time he was pulled over was only part of the circumstances. Convenient how you left out the rest of the circumstances.

If you are out late at night doing everything 100% right (Be honest, most people don't follow the speed limit to a T) some could interpret that as slightly suspicious.

As I said wouldn't you rather have the police take 5 minutes of your time just to make sure you are ok and everyone else is ok than to just assume that everything is fine??

As for reasonable suspicion-- yea you need it. As I said earlier something can, though following the law can be slightly suspicious. Also, what do some of you do at Checkpoints. I mean you haven't done anything wrong, and they are all asking you questions and stuff-- is that against some code you all have in your head?

Seriously, regardless of your feelings towards police, both my father and my grandfather were police officers. I am a security guard during the summer when I'm not at college. I would appreciate it if you didn't use such a demeaning term.

-Kevin

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Can they search your house at random too?

It will only take an hour, and it makes us all safer.

If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?

And why are you in such a hurry? It's only an hour out of your day. You have 24 of them.

sorry but the difference is that when you are in your car on a public road you are in public. Therefore anything you do in public is not subject to the same rules and regulations of privacy as when you are in the privacy of your home.


driving is a privilege, not a right...some tend to forget that.

Privileges come with prices, and in this case yes you may be subject to random stops.

If you don't like it, don't drive...pretty simple really.

so you label driving as a privilege and then use that as a basis to strip citizens of constitutional protections? Your reasoning is just patently incorrect.

being pulled over does not "strip citizens of constitutional protections".

being pulled over with reasonable suspicion does - its an illegal seizure of the person.

did you mean "without"

and anyways, its fairly easy to pull someone over for a traffic/car violation. There are so many rules and regs that nobody does it 100% right all of the time.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Can they search your house at random too?

It will only take an hour, and it makes us all safer.

If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?

And why are you in such a hurry? It's only an hour out of your day. You have 24 of them.

sorry but the difference is that when you are in your car on a public road you are in public. Therefore anything you do in public is not subject to the same rules and regulations of privacy as when you are in the privacy of your home.


driving is a privilege, not a right...some tend to forget that.

Privileges come with prices, and in this case yes you may be subject to random stops.

If you don't like it, don't drive...pretty simple really.

so you label driving as a privilege and then use that as a basis to strip citizens of constitutional protections? Your reasoning is just patently incorrect.

being pulled over does not "strip citizens of constitutional protections".

being pulled over with reasonable suspicion does - its an illegal seizure of the person.

Reasonable suspicion is the only thing required to pull someone over. If the police believe that, while in pursuit of someone, they fled into your house (ie: Reasonable Suspicion) they have every right to pursue them.

Good for you. Your being an idiot doesn't give the police the right to harass everyone else.

What kind of backwards logic is that? Because there are "idiots" in the world we have to have law enforcement individuals. If there were no idiots, then there would be no reason to have police because there would be no crime (I assume by idiot you mean people who break the law)

-Kevin

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Can they search your house at random too?

It will only take an hour, and it makes us all safer.

If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?

And why are you in such a hurry? It's only an hour out of your day. You have 24 of them.

sorry but the difference is that when you are in your car on a public road you are in public. Therefore anything you do in public is not subject to the same rules and regulations of privacy as when you are in the privacy of your home.


driving is a privilege, not a right...some tend to forget that.

Privileges come with prices, and in this case yes you may be subject to random stops.

If you don't like it, don't drive...pretty simple really.

so you label driving as a privilege and then use that as a basis to strip citizens of constitutional protections? Your reasoning is just patently incorrect.

being pulled over does not "strip citizens of constitutional protections".

being pulled over with reasonable suspicion does - its an illegal seizure of the person.

did you mean "without"

and anyways, its fairly easy to pull someone over for a traffic/car violation. There are so many rules and regs that nobody does it 100% right all of the time.

yes, I meant without. typo.

You are right about the latter part - but clearly that was not the case here as the officer did not say there was a violation.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Can they search your house at random too?

It will only take an hour, and it makes us all safer.

If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?

And why are you in such a hurry? It's only an hour out of your day. You have 24 of them.

sorry but the difference is that when you are in your car on a public road you are in public. Therefore anything you do in public is not subject to the same rules and regulations of privacy as when you are in the privacy of your home.


driving is a privilege, not a right...some tend to forget that.

Privileges come with prices, and in this case yes you may be subject to random stops.

If you don't like it, don't drive...pretty simple really.

so you label driving as a privilege and then use that as a basis to strip citizens of constitutional protections? Your reasoning is just patently incorrect.

being pulled over does not "strip citizens of constitutional protections".

being pulled over with reasonable suspicion does - its an illegal seizure of the person.

Reasonable suspicion is the only thing required to pull someone over. If the police believe that, while in pursuit of someone, they fled into your house (ie: Reasonable Suspicion) they have every right to pursue them.

it was a typo. I meant to say without reasonable suspicion.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
What kind of backwards logic is that? Because there are "idiots" in the world we have to have law enforcement individuals. If there were no idiots, then there would be no reason to have police because there would be no crime (I assume by idiot you mean people who break the law)

-Kevin

Yes, I mean idiots who break the law. Just because some people commit crimes doesn't give the police the right to frisk anybody at any time, at least not in this country where people do have rights. That's the very definition of a police state.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Can they search your house at random too?

It will only take an hour, and it makes us all safer.

If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?

And why are you in such a hurry? It's only an hour out of your day. You have 24 of them.

sorry but the difference is that when you are in your car on a public road you are in public. Therefore anything you do in public is not subject to the same rules and regulations of privacy as when you are in the privacy of your home.


driving is a privilege, not a right...some tend to forget that.

Privileges come with prices, and in this case yes you may be subject to random stops.

If you don't like it, don't drive...pretty simple really.

so you label driving as a privilege and then use that as a basis to strip citizens of constitutional protections? Your reasoning is just patently incorrect.

being pulled over does not "strip citizens of constitutional protections".

being pulled over with reasonable suspicion does - its an illegal seizure of the person.

Reasonable suspicion is the only thing required to pull someone over. If the police believe that, while in pursuit of someone, they fled into your house (ie: Reasonable Suspicion) they have every right to pursue them.

it was a typo. I meant to say without reasonable suspicion.

I'm sorry, I wasn't looking at it hard enough to catch that

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
What kind of backwards logic is that? Because there are "idiots" in the world we have to have law enforcement individuals. If there were no idiots, then there would be no reason to have police because there would be no crime (I assume by idiot you mean people who break the law)

-Kevin

Yes, I mean idiots who break the law. Just because some people commit crimes doesn't give the police the right to frisk anybody at any time, at least not in this country where people do have rights. That's the very definition of a police state.

Yes but it does give them a reason to be suspicious. If they are suspicious given a persons mannerisms/driving style/etc... then they investigate further by questioning people.

I don't ever recall me advocating that, because some people do things wrong in this world, that is ok to frisk someone. Because people do things wrong, we need police to be suspicious and gauge their next action based on that (Yes there are a fair few who fail at that, but a majority of police do their job properly).

-Kevin

Edit: Thanks for not using pigs in that post-- I really appreciate it

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I'll take you up on that. What's your address? Leave the key in the mailbox.

Where did I say I would let anyone who wanted to to look through my house?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I'll take you up on that. What's your address? Leave the key in the mailbox.

Where did I say I would let anyone who wanted to to look through my house?

Only police officers, right?

It's a good thing all police officers are infallible. You can trust them to always do what's in your best interest.

 

[Eli]

That shit pisses me off too. Leave me the fsck alone.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I'll take you up on that. What's your address? Leave the key in the mailbox.

Where did I say I would let anyone who wanted to to look through my house?

Only police officers, right?

It's a good thing all police officers are infallible. You can trust them to always do what's in your best interest.

I guess they must be running because they're innocent. Maybe you should ask why the "victims" didn't do what was in their best interests.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: her209
Maybe you should ask why the "victims" didn't do what was in their best interests.

The only thing victim did was wake up in the morning.

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
please describe what you mean by "adults". just because you're 18 doesn't mean squat. "adults" and a carload of n0obs are 2 different things.

:laugh: well put

 

[frostedflakes]

The beauty of it is they can basically make up anything they want. May not be able to stand up in court, but so many idiots fall for it, as long as they don't run into a lawyer or someone who actually knows their rights, they're golden.

I've known people that have been pulled over for the stupidest reasons. One guy got pulled over because the cop claimed he thought something was wrong with the guy's muffler. Nothing was wrong with his car.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I'll take you up on that. What's your address? Leave the key in the mailbox.

Where did I say I would let anyone who wanted to to look through my house?

Pigs are no more trustworthy than your average person, so why would you care who looked through your stuff?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I'll take you up on that. What's your address? Leave the key in the mailbox.

Where did I say I would let anyone who wanted to to look through my house?

Pigs are no more trustworthy than your average person, so why would you care who looked through your stuff?

Between this and the marijuana thread, it seems many people trust U.S authorities to do what's right for you. Sheep.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
I, personally, have zero desire to live in a police state where the police can exercise power over the citizenry whenever they please to ensure the illusion of security for people too timid to accept that crime will happen regardless. Yes, we should do what we can to keep crime to a minimum, but when you start infringing on the rights of law-abiding citizens to the point that the police can stop you for literally no reason, I have to draw the line.

It's a sad day when you hear an American complain that they live in a police state.

Sad is people that do not seem to understand that vigilance against arbitrary police power and the expectation that the police will operate under and be subject to the same laws and restrictions they enforce is precisely why we do not live in a police state. It is not anti-police to expect the police to obey the law and operate within the bounds set forth in the US and state Constitutions.

This is exactly what I meant. If you though I meant that I feel we currently live in a police state, perhaps my intention was not clear. I do not believe we live in a police state now, nor do I want to see this country become one.

For what it's worth, I am pro-police. I respect that they have an incredibly difficult job, and for the most part, they do it very well. I wanted to be a police officer for some time, but that desire faded. It's an incredibly challenging task to go to work knowing that in the course of protecting and serving the citizenry, those same citizens are going to dislike you for the job you perform. I only ask that the police act within the confines of the rights established in the fourth amendment, which include the right to be secure in our persons from unreasonable searches and seizures. I don't think that is too much to ask. Actually, I think that makes me a patriotic American.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I'll take you up on that. What's your address? Leave the key in the mailbox.

Where did I say I would let anyone who wanted to to look through my house?

Pigs are no more trustworthy than your average person, so why would you care who looked through your stuff?

You realize that you come across as the biggest idiot in the world by referring to police as "pigs" right? It completely undermines any argument you might try to make by revealing that you are simply biased against the police. It's the same as entering a debate against illegal immigration and referring to the problem caused by "b**ners and w*tb*cks." All it does is expose your bigotry; doesn't matter how good your arguments are after that.