Cops = mob mentality?

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Dari

Now, the cops have a job to do and they need to be ruthless in carrying out their duties so that innocent people don't fall victim to these assholes.

I take it you are proponent of no-knock warrants then, right?

If the neighborhood is in terrible shape, then I have no problem with it. No reason why citizens should live in fear of the criminals in their midst.

How does this make you feel:

Tracy Ingle: Another Drug War Outrage

If you somehow think things like this are restricted to only neighborhoods in terrible shape, then you are incredibly naive. Or restricted to criminals at all actually.

Is violence your solution to every problem in the world?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Dari

Now, the cops have a job to do and they need to be ruthless in carrying out their duties so that innocent people don't fall victim to these assholes.

I take it you are proponent of no-knock warrants then, right?

If the neighborhood is in terrible shape, then I have no problem with it. No reason why citizens should live in fear of the criminals in their midst.

How does this make you feel:

Tracy Ingle: Another Drug War Outrage

If you somehow think things like this are restricted to only neighborhoods in terrible shape, then you are incredibly naive. Or restricted to criminals at all actually.

Is violence your solution to every problem in the world?

It's unfortunate. If you lie with dogs, you're bound get up with fleas.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Dari

Now, the cops have a job to do and they need to be ruthless in carrying out their duties so that innocent people don't fall victim to these assholes.

I take it you are proponent of no-knock warrants then, right?

If the neighborhood is in terrible shape, then I have no problem with it. No reason why citizens should live in fear of the criminals in their midst.

Instead they should live in fear of the State? I don't understand why you have the American flag as your avatar, you seem to have no respect for the ideals of freedom or due process.

It's both sad and upsetting that so many Americans today are willing to give up so easily what many have died for in this nation's short history.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Dari

Now, the cops have a job to do and they need to be ruthless in carrying out their duties so that innocent people don't fall victim to these assholes.

I take it you are proponent of no-knock warrants then, right?

If the neighborhood is in terrible shape, then I have no problem with it. No reason why citizens should live in fear of the criminals in their midst.

Instead they should live in fear of the State? I don't understand why you have the American flag as your avatar, you seem to have no respect for the ideals of freedom or due process.

It's both sad and upsetting that so many Americans today are willing to give up so easily what many have died for in this nation's short history.

boo hoo hoo, you're breaking my heart. Since when is no-knock warrants un-American? Besides, these drug-ridden, criminally infested neighborhoods deserver the tough and unforgiving hand of the police force. If you have a better idea than letting the good people held hostage by those thugs, let it be known. Otherwise, STFU and watch how it's supposed to be done.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
How does this make you feel:

Tracy Ingle: Another Drug War Outrage

Good God, that's unbelievable.

 

[Dari]

You know, your arguments would have more sympathetic ears if you were talking about political crimes. But these are economic crimes and, thus, deserve little sympathy.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: alchemize
I think we should pick a big city somewhere with a lot of gang presence - Houston, Seattle, LA, etc. and completely legalize drugs and sell them through government outlets.

It would be fascinating to see what impact it had on crime, corruption, brutality, etc.

Gangs lose their profit - do they turn to other crimes for $$? Does it become affordable (free?) for addicts so they quit committing so many crimes? Does it take the monkey off the backs of the police who are executing the "war on drugs" at the expense of our privacy and civil rights?

That's a terrible idea considering you'd have a large and growing segment of the population that would become addicted to drugs. It could destroy the city.

Really? You mean nobody is using drugs there right now? They are difficult to get?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: alchemize
I think we should pick a big city somewhere with a lot of gang presence - Houston, Seattle, LA, etc. and completely legalize drugs and sell them through government outlets.

It would be fascinating to see what impact it had on crime, corruption, brutality, etc.

Gangs lose their profit - do they turn to other crimes for $$? Does it become affordable (free?) for addicts so they quit committing so many crimes? Does it take the monkey off the backs of the police who are executing the "war on drugs" at the expense of our privacy and civil rights?

That's a terrible idea considering you'd have a large and growing segment of the population that would become addicted to drugs. It could destroy the city.

Really? You mean nobody is using drugs there right now? They are difficult to get?

It's controlled by legal and social pressure. You legalize it and the social pressure will also collapse. Remember, we had legalized drugs in the 19th and early parts of the 20th century and it was estimated that 20% of the nation was addicted, especially housewives.

If you really want to try something like that out, why don't you use your community as a guinea pig?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Dari
If you really want to try something like that out, why don't you use your community as a guinea pig?

Because the federal government has taken rights away from the states.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: alchemize
I think we should pick a big city somewhere with a lot of gang presence - Houston, Seattle, LA, etc. and completely legalize drugs and sell them through government outlets.

It would be fascinating to see what impact it had on crime, corruption, brutality, etc.

Gangs lose their profit - do they turn to other crimes for $$? Does it become affordable (free?) for addicts so they quit committing so many crimes? Does it take the monkey off the backs of the police who are executing the "war on drugs" at the expense of our privacy and civil rights?

That's a terrible idea considering you'd have a large and growing segment of the population that would become addicted to drugs. It could destroy the city.

Really? You mean nobody is using drugs there right now? They are difficult to get?

It's controlled by legal and social pressure. You legalize it and the social pressure will also collapse. Remember, we had legalized drugs in the 19th and early parts of the 20th century and it was estimated that 20% of the nation was addicted, especially housewives.

If you really want to try something like that out, why don't you use your community as a guinea pig?

I'd give it a try in my community sure. Can't be any worse than the liquor stores on every corner. I'd rather have a bunch of addicts self-destructing on cheap dope than gang-bangers shooting it out over $5 rocks...

Source for that silly 20% number? Even if true, it's because folks were putting opium in cough syrup and people didn't generally understand addiction.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: alchemize
I think we should pick a big city somewhere with a lot of gang presence - Houston, Seattle, LA, etc. and completely legalize drugs and sell them through government outlets.

It would be fascinating to see what impact it had on crime, corruption, brutality, etc.

Gangs lose their profit - do they turn to other crimes for $$? Does it become affordable (free?) for addicts so they quit committing so many crimes? Does it take the monkey off the backs of the police who are executing the "war on drugs" at the expense of our privacy and civil rights?

That's a terrible idea considering you'd have a large and growing segment of the population that would become addicted to drugs. It could destroy the city.

Really? You mean nobody is using drugs there right now? They are difficult to get?

It's controlled by legal and social pressure. You legalize it and the social pressure will also collapse. Remember, we had legalized drugs in the 19th and early parts of the 20th century and it was estimated that 20% of the nation was addicted, especially housewives.

If you really want to try something like that out, why don't you use your community as a guinea pig?

I'd give it a try in my community sure. Can't be any worse than the liquor stores on every corner. I'd rather have a bunch of addicts self-destructing on cheap dope than gang-bangers shooting it out over $5 rocks...

Source for that silly 20% number? Even if true, it's because folks were putting opium in cough syrup and people didn't generally understand addiction.

I'd also like to know how powerful they were and how much money drug lords made "in the 19th and early parts of the 20th century."

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: alchemize
I think we should pick a big city somewhere with a lot of gang presence - Houston, Seattle, LA, etc. and completely legalize drugs and sell them through government outlets.

It would be fascinating to see what impact it had on crime, corruption, brutality, etc.

Gangs lose their profit - do they turn to other crimes for $$? Does it become affordable (free?) for addicts so they quit committing so many crimes? Does it take the monkey off the backs of the police who are executing the "war on drugs" at the expense of our privacy and civil rights?

That's a terrible idea considering you'd have a large and growing segment of the population that would become addicted to drugs. It could destroy the city.

Really? You mean nobody is using drugs there right now? They are difficult to get?

It's controlled by legal and social pressure. You legalize it and the social pressure will also collapse. Remember, we had legalized drugs in the 19th and early parts of the 20th century and it was estimated that 20% of the nation was addicted, especially housewives.

If you really want to try something like that out, why don't you use your community as a guinea pig?

I'd give it a try in my community sure. Can't be any worse than the liquor stores on every corner. I'd rather have a bunch of addicts self-destructing on cheap dope than gang-bangers shooting it out over $5 rocks...

Source for that silly 20% number? Even if true, it's because folks were putting opium in cough syrup and people didn't generally understand addiction.

The source is The History Channel. And you're right, the drugs were in all types of medicine. But nothing will change if it becomes legal and people become addicted all the same. Even 10% is horrendous for a general population.

EDIT: And I rather they kill each other than be allowed to kill many more in the general population simply because the drugs are now legal.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: alchemize
I think we should pick a big city somewhere with a lot of gang presence - Houston, Seattle, LA, etc. and completely legalize drugs and sell them through government outlets.

It would be fascinating to see what impact it had on crime, corruption, brutality, etc.

Gangs lose their profit - do they turn to other crimes for $$? Does it become affordable (free?) for addicts so they quit committing so many crimes? Does it take the monkey off the backs of the police who are executing the "war on drugs" at the expense of our privacy and civil rights?

That's a terrible idea considering you'd have a large and growing segment of the population that would become addicted to drugs. It could destroy the city.

Really? You mean nobody is using drugs there right now? They are difficult to get?

It's controlled by legal and social pressure. You legalize it and the social pressure will also collapse. Remember, we had legalized drugs in the 19th and early parts of the 20th century and it was estimated that 20% of the nation was addicted, especially housewives.

If you really want to try something like that out, why don't you use your community as a guinea pig?

I'd give it a try in my community sure. Can't be any worse than the liquor stores on every corner. I'd rather have a bunch of addicts self-destructing on cheap dope than gang-bangers shooting it out over $5 rocks...

Source for that silly 20% number? Even if true, it's because folks were putting opium in cough syrup and people didn't generally understand addiction.

The source is The History Channel. And you're right, the drugs were in all types of medicine. But nothing will change if it becomes legal and people become addicted all the same. Even 10% is horrendous for a general population.

EDIT: And I rather they kill each other than be allowed to kill many more in the general population simply because the drugs are now legal.

So you rather see the current gang wars over drugs and stray bullets killing kids just so you can feel safe that your personal view on making drugs legal is never realized.

As for what will change well you certainly won't have drugs fueling and funding the rise of street gangs. Addiction will no longer be seen as a crime but instead would be treated as a illness and more resources would be freed up to clean people up. In fact the whole "More people will use drugs if it's legal" argument is just based on fear mongering and fallacies. As for your 20% comment goes well take a look at time you are comparing and the level of education on drugs and their effects vs today. Comparing the early 20th century with today is a bit misleading and dishonest to say the least.

 

[Linux23]

Cops are so big and bad when no one is fighting back, but as soon as they get get challenged, they cower like pvssys.

Hopefully these guys start fighting back.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: alchemize
I think we should pick a big city somewhere with a lot of gang presence - Houston, Seattle, LA, etc. and completely legalize drugs and sell them through government outlets.

It would be fascinating to see what impact it had on crime, corruption, brutality, etc.

Gangs lose their profit - do they turn to other crimes for $$? Does it become affordable (free?) for addicts so they quit committing so many crimes? Does it take the monkey off the backs of the police who are executing the "war on drugs" at the expense of our privacy and civil rights?

That's a terrible idea considering you'd have a large and growing segment of the population that would become addicted to drugs. It could destroy the city.

Really? You mean nobody is using drugs there right now? They are difficult to get?

It's controlled by legal and social pressure. You legalize it and the social pressure will also collapse. Remember, we had legalized drugs in the 19th and early parts of the 20th century and it was estimated that 20% of the nation was addicted, especially housewives.

If you really want to try something like that out, why don't you use your community as a guinea pig?

I'd give it a try in my community sure. Can't be any worse than the liquor stores on every corner. I'd rather have a bunch of addicts self-destructing on cheap dope than gang-bangers shooting it out over $5 rocks...

Source for that silly 20% number? Even if true, it's because folks were putting opium in cough syrup and people didn't generally understand addiction.

The source is The History Channel. And you're right, the drugs were in all types of medicine. But nothing will change if it becomes legal and people become addicted all the same. Even 10% is horrendous for a general population.

EDIT: And I rather they kill each other than be allowed to kill many more in the general population simply because the drugs are now legal.

So you rather see the current gang wars over drugs and stray bullets killing kids just so you can feel safe that your personal view on making drugs legal is never realized.

As for what will change well you certainly won't have drugs fueling and funding the rise of street gangs. Addiction will no longer be seen as a crime but instead would be treated as a illness and more resources would be freed up to clean people up. In fact the whole "More people will use drugs if it's legal" argument is just based on fear mongering and fallacies. As for your 20% comment goes well take a look at time you are comparing and the level of education on drugs and their effects vs today. Comparing the early 20th century with today is a bit misleading and dishonest to say the least.

lol. You can speculate about what it'll be today but we've seen it happen before and those are the numbers I'm going by. Furthermore, you fail to understand the concept of "addiction". You and I may not become addicted but millions might and that is something that is beyond their control. Nobody wants that.

I rather see drugs in the current controlled manner than have it loose on the public. And, in case you have reading comprehension problems, drugs were legal at one point in our history. Nobody wants to return to such high rates of addiction.

 

[mrCide]

people are addicted to alcohol and tobacco. in fact, both of them kill thousands of people and are readily available to anyone over a certain age.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Dari

Now, the cops have a job to do and they need to be ruthless in carrying out their duties so that innocent people don't fall victim to these assholes.

I take it you are proponent of no-knock warrants then, right?

If the neighborhood is in terrible shape, then I have no problem with it. No reason why citizens should live in fear of the criminals in their midst.

How does this make you feel:

Tracy Ingle: Another Drug War Outrage

If you somehow think things like this are restricted to only neighborhoods in terrible shape, then you are incredibly naive. Or restricted to criminals at all actually.

Is violence your solution to every problem in the world?

It's unfortunate. If you lie with dogs, you're bound get up with fleas.

Did you even manage to read the article before spewing more garbage? You seem to have an ability to comment on things you know nothing about anyways, but I was hoping that just once you'd try reading something.
Keep talking tough while having everything in life handed to you, its funny seeing college students with no life experience talk about how things are. Its cute. When you grow up you are in for one hell of a shock though.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Dari

Now, the cops have a job to do and they need to be ruthless in carrying out their duties so that innocent people don't fall victim to these assholes.

I take it you are proponent of no-knock warrants then, right?

If the neighborhood is in terrible shape, then I have no problem with it. No reason why citizens should live in fear of the criminals in their midst.

How does this make you feel:

Tracy Ingle: Another Drug War Outrage

If you somehow think things like this are restricted to only neighborhoods in terrible shape, then you are incredibly naive. Or restricted to criminals at all actually.

Is violence your solution to every problem in the world?

It's unfortunate. If you lie with dogs, you're bound get up with fleas.

Did you even manage to read the article before spewing more garbage? You seem to have an ability to comment on things you know nothing about anyways, but I was hoping that just once you'd try reading something.
Keep talking tough while having everything in life handed to you, its funny seeing college students with no life experience talk about how things are. Its cute. When you grow up you are in for one hell of a shock though.

You know little about me. And yes, I did read that story. The man who just couldn't say no. What I said still stands.

 

[mxyzptlk]

I'd like to know more about you Dari. What's your background, where are you from? Where were you educated and what do you do for a living? Do you consider yourself well informed? If so, where do you primarily get your information, TV? I know you mentioned the History channel...

I'm a 26yr old black male from South Central LA. I went to Palisades Highschool then ITT technical institute, and I now make my living as a programmer at a small software company here in San Pedro. I listen to public radio and read the newspaper almost exclusively for news, then I talk about it online

I personally think its funny when people say shit like "I think its funny when <stereotypical internet teenager> says so and so about life" as if everyone on the internet is posting from their mothers basement, surrounded by video games, anime posters and star wars figurines.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
I'd like to know more about you Dari. What's your background, where are you from? Where were you educated and what do you do for a living? Do you consider yourself well informed? If so, where do you primarily get your information, TV? I know you mentioned the History channel...

I'm a 26yr old black male from South Central LA. I went to Palisades Highschool then ITT technical institute, and I now make my living as a programmer at a small software company here in San Pedro. I listen to public radio and read the newspaper almost exclusively for news, then I talk about it online

I personally think its funny when people say shit like "I think its funny when <stereotypical internet teenager> says so and so about life" as if everyone on the internet is posting from their mothers basement, surrounded by video games, anime posters and star wars figurines.

Born in Richardson, Texas. BA from Princeton. (soon) Ph.D from Columbia. Grew up in a conservative home. I would consider myself well-informed. I get my news from different sources to verify it.

Don't let the above info distort your view of me. I've lived in different parts of the world and have excellent relations with everyone I meet. I've never lived in the ghetto but lived closed enough to never want to. However, I have friends from there and we get on well. Some of them glorify this gangster-romantic lifestyle but most don't.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Linux23
Cops are so big and bad when no one is fighting back, but as soon as they get get challenged, they cower like pvssys.

Hopefully these guys start fighting back.

Says the tubby basement dwelling linux admin...

 

[mxyzptlk]

Yea, I hate when people glorify ignorance. I think they do it because they've never really been exposed to a successful lifestyle that isn't from either sports, entertainment or drug dealing. It's different when you're brought up in an area where you can see others like yourself become successful through more traditional means. If, as a child, you only see people like you succeeding through one of those categories, of course you would try to imitate them.. and if you weren't gifted with looks/talent or physical ability then there's not much left to hope for.

This is where my belief comes from that education is the key to resolving the poverty/crime cycle. If you don't give young people good examples to follow then all they have left is the negative. Of course there will always be bad apples and effective policing is necessary to combat this. It would be best to lock up the troublemakers, and remove them from society all together, but brutality isn't the way of achieving this as I think it does more harm than good.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Yea, I hate when people glorify ignorance. I think they do it because they've never really been exposed to a successful lifestyle that isn't from either sports, entertainment or drug dealing. It's different when you're brought up in an area where you can see others like yourself become successful through more traditional means. If, as a child, you only see people like you succeeding through one of those categories, of course you would try to imitate them.. and if you weren't gifted with looks/talent or physical ability then there's not much left to hope for.

This is where my belief comes from that education is the key to resolving the poverty/crime cycle. If you don't give young people good examples to follow then all they have left is the negative. Of course there will always be bad apples and effective policing is necessary to combat this. It would be best to lock up the troublemakers, and remove them from society all together, but brutality isn't the way of achieving this as I think it does more harm than good.

You're right. But it all comes down to parenting. AA parents failing their children on an epic scale. We have no one to blame but ourselves. If our children think that getting an education is "acting white" then it's a sad commentary on AAs. Any AA that's an adult has a responsibility not just to themselves but to their community. This is blatantly obvious for everyone except us. The police are just there doing their job. It is up to us to right the wrongs in our communities. We don't need outside help or any government assistance to do this. It is up to us and nobody else.

Police brutality is not good, but neither is projecting our problems onto others. AAs are far too adept at the blame game and treating the police as outsiders. When you have a drug problem in your neighborhood, instead of claming up the community should work with them. We shouldn't let the criminals come between us and the law.

Sorry if the above paragraphs sound incoherent but I'm really getting tired of us being "victims".

 

[mxyzptlk]

I agree with everything you just said!

 

[Linux23]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Linux23
Cops are so big and bad when no one is fighting back, but as soon as they get get challenged, they cower like pvssys.

Hopefully these guys start fighting back.

Says the tubby basement dwelling linux admin...

Says the moron who figured out who I am by my username.:roll: