Cops infiltrate Occupy LA

cybrsage

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Media reports say Los Angeles police used nearly a dozen undercover detectives to infiltrate the Occupy LA encampment in the weeks before Wednesday's raid to gather information on protesters' intentions.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/0...-undercover-to-watch-occupy-la/#ixzz1fU48lz00

I have no problem with this. They wanted to find out their intentions, which is good considering other occupy groups set fire to US ports.



I just wonder, did they stop bathing for a few weeks prior to going in, or do they have a special ointment they can put on to make them smell like they did? ;)
 

WHAMPOM

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Infiltraing agitators is SOP tactics for the police, just a replay of the Sixties student activists getting *Professional advice* on how to *Protest* more better. Nothing really removes (COP SMELL).

edit; OH YA Fox ?News? their facts but hardly the facts.
 
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cybrsage

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Nothing in the article says anything about agitators. It does say "gather information" though.

Oh, and for your stupid statement "dur...foxnews..dur..." I forward the following from the article:

Published December 03, 2011 | Associated Press
 

davmat787

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Nothing in the article says anything about agitators. It does say "gather information" though.

Oh, and for your stupid statement "dur...foxnews..dur..." I forward the following from the article:

Published December 03, 2011 | Associated Press

ProTip: If you are going to post something from Fox that is source elsewhere such as this article, simply use news.google.com to find another media outlet that is running the story. Most will have an aneurysm if they read foxnews.com, and the thread will derail.

Yet no problem of course when huffingtonpost.com or wisdems.org is used. :whiste:
 

monovillage

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ProTip: If you are going to post something from Fox that is source elsewhere such as this article, simply use news.google.com to find another media outlet that is running the story. Most will have an aneurysm if they read foxnews.com, and the thread will derail.

Yet no problem of course when huffingtonpost.com or wisdems.org is used. :whiste:

Yes or mediamatters. lol
 

cybrsage

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ProTip: If you are going to post something from Fox that is source elsewhere such as this article, simply use news.google.com to find another media outlet that is running the story. Most will have an aneurysm if they read foxnews.com, and the thread will derail.

Yet no problem of course when huffingtonpost.com or wisdems.org is used. :whiste:

I know, but it is fun watching them slowly kill themselves with their self induced stress. :)
 

monovillage

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You want to attack mediamatters? Prove your point with facts, or be shown you can't.

You mean i can't make fun of mediamatters? thanks to wiki

"Media Matters for America (MMfA) is a politically progressive media watchdog group which says it is "dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."[1] Set up as a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization, MMfA was founded in 2004 by journalist and author David Brock.[2] Eric E. Burns has been MMfA's president since its founding in 2004."

sorry, laughing too hard to really say a lot more, but i'll defend every progressives right to their own bias.
 

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You want to attack mediamatters? Prove your point with facts, or be shown you can't.

seems to me he is making fun of people who blow a gasket whenever a source is posted they don't like instead of actually reading the source material and getting an opinion. it's all bias bullshit. Hell the bias isn't even what got me to stop reading Huffingtonpost, it was the stupid Black Voices, Latino Voices, Women's sections and Gay Voices bullshit that propped up on there. I do not support segregation and that's exactly what they are promoting. So I refuse to do business with businesses that segregate.
 

JSt0rm

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seems to me he is making fun of people who blow a gasket whenever a source is posted they don't like instead of actually reading the source material and getting an opinion. it's all bias bullshit. Hell the bias isn't even what got me to stop reading Huffingtonpost, it was the stupid Black Voices, Latino Voices, Women's sections and Gay Voices bullshit that propped up on there. I do not support segregation and that's exactly what they are promoting. So I refuse to do business with businesses that segregate.

I think the point is a place like mediamatters does fact checking and is the opposite of what he wrote.

A place like fox news has stated they are entertainment but to the slow among us they view it as news regardless. Mediamatters does fact check fox more then other sites but I dont think that makes them wrong.
 

monovillage

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I think the point is a place like mediamatters does fact checking and is the opposite of what he wrote.

A place like fox news has stated they are entertainment but to the slow among us they view it as news regardless. Mediamatters does fact check fox more then other sites but I dont think that makes them wrong.

lol, how would you know if they fact check? Maybe Fox will have a report on it you would believe?
 

Craig234

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You mean i can't make fun of mediamatters? thanks to wiki

"Media Matters for America (MMfA) is a politically progressive media watchdog group which says it is "dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."[1] Set up as a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization, MMfA was founded in 2004 by journalist and author David Brock.[2] Eric E. Burns has been MMfA's president since its founding in 2004."

sorry, laughing too hard to really say a lot more, but i'll defend every progressives right to their own bias.

So, you can't back up your attack with any facts. Only 'bias' here is you. Which is why mediamatters exists, to point out the lies you like to fall for and repeat.
 

monovillage

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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Who watches the watchmen? Who fact checks the fact checkers?

No Craig, i'm not going to try to find something you'll just refuse to admit is an accurate take on mediamatters bias. They admit they're a progressive political site and I believe them.

David Brock, there's a fact for you.
 
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davmat787

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I am not famliar with mediamatters.com at all, but I did just come across this article on msnbc.com from 2007 titled: Calling Out MediaMatters Bias:

By the way, since they have so many questions, we have one for them, Don't they need to fully disclose their relationship with Hillary Clinton? After all, at the YearlyKos Convention in Chicago on Aug. 4, she touted her involvement with the group:
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"I only wish that we had this active and fighting blogosphere about 15 years ago because we have certainly suffered over the last years from a real imbalance in the political world in our country. But we are righting that balance -- or lefting that balance -- not sure which, and we are certainly better prepared and more focused on taking our arguments and making them effective and disseminating them widely and really putting together a network in the blogosphere in a lot of the new progressive infrastructure -- institutions that I helped to start and support like Media Matters and Center for American Progress. We're beginning to match what I had said for years was the advantage of the other side."

But I am sure Craig will tell us why this is of no importance if true. :p
 

davmat787

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Following the money trail is always a good idea, so I looked at how mediamatters.com is funded. From their wikipedia.org page, its democrats and groups like moveon.org. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I just have a very hard time believing any media group such as this, let alone mainstream media, is in no way, shape, or form biased to some degree. Just does not sell these days.

Benefactors and staff
MMfA started with the help of $2 million in donations from liberal philanthropists connected to the Democratic party. According to Byron York, additional funding came from MoveOn.org and the New Democrat Network.[14][15][16]
In 2004 MMfA received the endorsement of the Democracy Alliance, a partnership of wealthy and politically active donors. The Alliance itself does not fund its any of its endorsees, but many wealthy Alliance members acted on the endorsement and donated directly to MMfA.[17][18][19] Media Matters as a matter of course has a policy of not comprehensively listing donors. Six years after the Alliance endorsed MMfA, financier George Soros - a founding and continuing member of the Alliance - announced in 2010 that he was donating $1 million to MMfA. Soros said: "Despite repeated assertions to the contrary by various Fox News commentators, I have not to date been a funder of Media Matters." Soros said concern over "recent evidence suggesting that the incendiary rhetoric of Fox News hosts may incite violence" had moved him to donate to MMfA, which thanked Soros for announcing his donation "quickly and transparently." [20]
Former chief of staff to president Bill Clinton John Podesta provided office space for Media Matters early in its formation at the Center for American Progress, a Democratic think tank that he had created in 2002.[21] Hillary Clinton advised Media Matters in its early stages out of a belief that progressives should follow conservatives in forming think tanks and advocacy groups to support their political goals.[22][23]
Media Matters hired numerous political professionals who had worked for Democratic politicians and for other progressive groups.[24][25] In 2004 article on Media Matters the National Review referred to MMfA staffers who had recently worked on the presidential campaigns of John Edwards and Wesley Clark, for Congressman Barney Frank, and for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.[26]
 

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Following the money trail is always a good idea, so I looked at how mediamatters.com is funded. From their wikipedia.org page, its democrats and groups like moveon.org. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I just have a very hard time believing any media group such as this, let alone mainstream media, is in no way, shape, or form biased to some degree. Just does not sell these days.

Craig is immune to facts. The most partisan, biased member of the forums cannot be convinced otherwise while he proclaims to be the most unbiased member of the forums.

Case in point, the "OWS Lobbyist" memo from last week... he quickly jumped in and accepted it as absolutely genuine, despite being sourced from a left-wing commentator, being completely unprofessionally created, and lacking any credibility whatsoever.

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Craig234

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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Who watches the watchmen? Who fact checks the fact checkers?

No Craig, i'm not going to try to find something you'll just refuse to admit is an accurate take on mediamatters bias. They admit they're a progressive political site and I believe them.

David Brock, there's a fact for you.

So, you can't back up your attack with any facts. Only 'bias' here is you. Which is why mediamatters exists, to point out the lies you like to fall for and repeat.
 

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Hell the bias isn't even what got me to stop reading Huffingtonpost, it was the stupid Black Voices, Latino Voices, Women's sections and Gay Voices bullshit that propped up on there. I do not support segregation and that's exactly what they are promoting. So I refuse to do business with businesses that segregate.

Yo, we're a salad bowl not a melting pot, get with the program. Identity politics ownz, our differences makes us stronger!
 

Bowfinger

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Following the money trail is always a good idea, so I looked at how mediamatters.com is funded. From their wikipedia.org page, its democrats and groups like moveon.org. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I just have a very hard time believing any media group such as this, let alone mainstream media, is in no way, shape, or form biased to some degree. Just does not sell these days.
Having left-wing funding and even a focus on refuting right-wing disinformation doesn't mean the information they provide is inherently inaccurate. They may well be objective enough to do their jobs honestly. Their work won't be balanced, i.e., they're unlikely to refute disinformation from the left, but that doesn't mean their facts are wrong when they expose right-wing lies.

That said, I agree that their funding and stated mission certainly mean Mediamatters reports should be considered with a grain of salt. If you want to understand the whole story, you should probably balance Mediamatters with other sources of good information. I'm just not sure where that is on the right.

It's certainly not Fox -- they have a long track record of presenting willfully false and highly distorted information. That's why they are so scorned by smart people. If you see a story on Fox, you always need to double-check it elsewhere to see how accurate it is ... or far too often is not. That makes Fox pretty useless in my book. The same goes for tabloids like Washington Times and Newsmax. They may sometimes print honest stories, but that's not a smart bet.

So finding solid sources is challenging. The mainstream corporate media are sometimes good, but their stories are usually fairly shallow unless it's Page 1 (and often even then). They also too often serve as a rubber-stamp for the status quo and focus more on sensationalism than substance. Getting more in-depth information for me usually means turning to Google and finding multiple sources. It also often means turning to more specialized sources, e.g., for specific industry publications, or to original source materials for studies, investigative reports, polls, etc.
 
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monovillage

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So, you can't back up your attack with any facts. Only 'bias' here is you. Which is why mediamatters exists, to point out the lies you like to fall for and repeat.

You are so extremely biased that it's kind of a joke and it's not like you try to hide your bias craig, it's in your signature. It's not like mediamatters hides their bias either, it's on their about us page. Somehow you define what's an obvious fact stated by mediamatters on their own website into a lie by me. I just have to salute that piece of work.
 

Bowfinger

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I am immune to facts. The most partisan, biased member of the forums cannot be convinced otherwise while he proclaims to be the most unbiased member of the forums.
FTFY. You have no business calling anyone else partisan Mr. RNC Sock Puppet.

Case in point, the "OWS Lobbyist" memo from last week... he quickly jumped in and accepted it as absolutely genuine, despite being sourced from a left-wing commentator, being completely unprofessionally created, and lacking any credibility whatsoever.
No matter how many times you repeat that nonsense, it isn't going to become true. I suggest you move on to a different angle of attack because I haven't seen anyone else buying that one.
 

Craig234

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Following the money trail is always a good idea, so I looked at how mediamatters.com is funded. From their wikipedia.org page, its democrats and groups like moveon.org. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I just have a very hard time believing any media group such as this, let alone mainstream media, is in no way, shape, or form biased to some degree. Just does not sell these days.

You're projecting. Just because YOU can't imagine an accurate site, you think they aren't.

It's a site about exposing the lies of right-wing media. That's liberal, not 'bias'.

"Republicans demanded Obama extend the Bush tax cuts to get their votes for other programs he wants" - that's an accurate liberal report critical of Republicans.

"Smelly Republicans demand Obama extent the Bush tax cuts because they like babies to go hungry" - that's 'bias'. You don't know the difference.

The question is, are their criticisms accurate? If so, that's not 'bias'.

If they claimed to cover all media errors and did not, that would be bias; they don't.
 

Craig234

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Monovillage: So, you can't back up your attack with any facts. Only 'bias' here is you. Which is why mediamatters exists, to point out the lies you like to fall for and repeat.
 

Craig234

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Having left-wing funding and even a focus on refuting right-wing disinformation doesn't mean the information they provide is inhernetly inaccurate. They may well be objective enough to do their jobs honestly. Their work won't be balanced, i.e., they're unlikely to refute disinformation from the left, but that doesn't mean their facts are wrong when they expose right-wing lies.

That said, I agree that their funding and stated mission certainly mean Mediamatters reports should be considered with a grain of salt. If you want to understand the whole story, you should probably balance Mediamatters with other sources of good information. I'm just not sure where that is on the right.

It's certainly not Fox -- they have a long track record of presenting willfully false and highly distorted information. That's why they are so scorned by smart people. If you see a story on Fox, you always need to double-check it elsewhere to see how accurate it is ... or far too often is not. That makes Fox pretty useless in my book. The same goes for tabloids like Washington Times and Newsmax. They may sometimes print honest stories, but that's not a smart bet.

So finding solid sources is challenging. The mainstream corporate media are sometimes good, but their stories are usually fairly shallow unless it's Page 1 (and often even then). They also too often serve as a rubber-stamp for the status quo and focus more on sensationalism than substance. Getting more in-depth information for me usually means turning to Google and finding multiple sources. It also often means turning to more specialized sources, e.g., for specific industry publications, or to original source materials for studies, investigative reports, polls, etc.

The right has sources that claim to be the counterpart to Mediamatters, but are guilty of the 'bias' the right accuses Mediamatters of. They have no accurate counterpart.

That's because the right is the side that has a major propaganda organization - what Hillary called the 'vast right-wing conspiracy'. So they're the ones to get exposed.

Of course, they'd like to try to say the left is just as bad, but they can't prove it.

But you'll find right-wingers assuming false equivalency and not caring about the facts.

That's the game they play - 'accurate' becomes 'the left' and their inaccurate claims become 'the other side' they claim is equal, and if you criticize it, it's bias.