'Cops' Crew Member Killed by Officers While Show Films Armed Robbery

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rommelrommel

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During a physical struggle between the two men, Capano was mistakenly shot by responding retired police officer Christopher Geraghty.

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While you are welcome to your own opinion, you are not welcome to your own facts.

And the fact is that none of the cops referenced above, who were shot by other cops, got any benefit of any doubt.

At the Military Police Academy, I was trained in fire discipline and the prudent use of deadly force. Which seems quite different than the current, kill the suspect and any witnesses, don't say anything, wait until we get the forensic info and we will fix you up with the PD lawyers to issue a statement which you seem to embrace...

In order to protect and serve the civilian audio man, it was necessary to kill the civilian audio man?

LOL

Uno

That was not what I was saying at all.

I was making the point that you do not get to shoot a cop that points his gun at you.

I did not say that cops are not liable for errors. The point was that at the time of an incident you do what the cop says, whether he's pointing your gun at you lawfully or not.

As to the audio man who died, I have no idea what happened. Did he run into a firefight? Did he get hit by ricochet? We have no idea. All I have been addressing is this idea that you shouldn't shoot a bad guy who is pointing a goddamned gun at you, or that you should only shoot him a certain amount or other ridiculous movie nonsense.
 

bshole

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I'll trust that you provided better security than that of the nuclear facility cited above that was compromised by an 84 year old nun.

Nonetheless, I would put forth the proposition, that in the instant case had the police exercised better fire discipline and perhaps thought a bit more, then the civilian, that they brought to the crime scene, might not have been a friendly fire causality.

Just my opinion, but I think that when you invite a civilian to ride along with you, and you end up shooting and killing him, it indicates a lack of something... Call it fire discipline. Call it thinking. Call it professionalism...

Whatever you call it, the fact remains. The audio technician is KIA.

Killed by a bullet from a gun of a person who was sworn to 'protect and serve'.

Uno
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Well that is game, set and match. Well done.
 

Riparian

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No actually you don`t...when you have nothing better to say you ramp up the Israeli thing.....or you thread crap by trying to change the subject...
There is a huge difference between what is happening in the Middle east and what is happening here...no comparison at all...

Even when you add the use of force........no comparison!

Hey, I can creatively and randomly...use syntax...and punctuation! too!*&

First, I am actually quite supportive of Israel's use of defense, so you're already wrong with your assumptions. However, the concept of the use of force in both cases is the same. You give a warning to the threat to end their threatening posture and if they don't, you use force to end the threat. This is probably more true for firing 30 bullets at one target but can also be true of dropping a bomb on an entire building.

I noticed that you didn't even try to reconcile the question of what level of force you thought would be necessary in this case. You're just hung up on the number 30. What number is correct? How many bombs are enough? What amount of collateral damage is acceptable when dealing with a threat?

Try not to be so predictable in your posts Jedi. It would do you good to try and analyze a situation before getting your feathers ruffled up and ramping up your emotional tantrums.
 

Carson Dyle

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Meh. Collateral damage. Could have been a teenage employee of the restaurant, a child customer, whatever. Cops can kill anyone they want in the name of their personal safety.
 

unokitty

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... As to the audio man who died, I have no idea what happened. Did he run into a firefight? Did he get hit by ricochet? We have no idea. ...


What part of "the cops brought the audio man to a crime scene. There, the audio man was killed by a police bullet." is not clear to you?

In order to protect and serve the audio man, it was necessary to kill the audio man?

Uno
 
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pcgeek11

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or as in this case you gun down the innocent audio man who is along for the ride.... I thought the idea was to shoot the suspect, not spray down the whole motherfucking neighborhood!!!

I don't see in the article where it says they sprayed down the neighborhood. Nor did it make any statement as to exactly how many shots were fired.

It was an accident.
 

hal2kilo

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https://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/...while-show-films-armed-robbery-173502495.html

'Cops' Crew Member Killed by Officers While Show Films Armed Robbery



A staffer on the long-running television crime show Cops was shot and killed Tuesday night, reportedly by gun fire from local police, while videotaping an armed robbery in progress in Omaha, Nebraska, that also left the suspect dead.


More than 30 shots were fired, all by officers


The suspect held up a Wendy's employee at gunpoint and demanded cash before walking outside to find police waiting for him. The suspect was wounded and taken to Nebraska Medical Center where he was later pronounced dead.

Law enforcement sources told the World-Herald that the suspect, a parolee from Kansas, had an Airsoft gun on him, which is not an actual firearm.

Must have been a slow week for trailer park crimes.
 

marvdmartian

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Further proof that cops can't hit a suspect, without hitting innocent bystanders too. Usually first. :rolleyes:

Look at 2 examples in NY City. One, the guy who killed someone outside the Empire State Building, then got into a gun battle with police, before dying from one of their bullets.
When confronted by the two officers, Johnson raised his weapon, but did not fire. The officers fired a total of 16 rounds, killing Johnson and injuring nine bystanders, none of whom suffered life-threatening wounds. Three of the bystanders were directly hit by police gunfire, while the rest of the injuries were caused by fragments of ricocheting bullets, or by debris from other objects hit by police.
- Wikipedia article on shooting

Then, this past December, the NYPD showed, once again, that they are far more dangerous with firearms than any legal private gun owner in the state could be:
An unarmed, emotionally disturbed man shot at by the police as he was lurching around traffic near Times Square in September has been charged with assault, on the theory that he was responsible for bullet wounds suffered by two bystanders, according to an indictment unsealed in State Supreme Court in Manhattan on Wednesday.
- article in the NY Times

Probably why gun owners in this country laugh so hard, when the gun grabbers say that only the military & police should have firearms, because they're well trained and less dangerous! o_O