'Cops' Crew Member Killed by Officers While Show Films Armed Robbery

[moonbogg]

The force was necessary I'm sure. They don't have time to sit behind their computers and rationalize their actions before and after they take them like we can. They are outside, here comes guy with gun, quick, what do you do?! You shoot his ass before he shoots you, that's what.

 

[bshole]

The force was necessary I'm sure. They don't have time to sit behind their computers and rationalize their actions before and after they take them like we can. They are outside, here comes guy with gun, quick, what do you do?! You shoot his ass before he shoots you, that's what.

Unfortunately their aim is usually as bad as their judgement. I sometimes wonder if these lunatics close their eyes before they shoot. Jesus, just so fucking pathetic.

 

[Thebobo]

What race was this audio guy?

human

 

[JEDIYoda]

How much deadly force is appropriate to use against the suspect(s) in an armed robbery? ! shot? 5 shots? What if you use you shots up and the guy is now shooting at you, too bad so sad?

There is not nearly enough info here to make the call about what happened and if it was excessive or not.

Let us know when you finally extract your foot from your mouth....hahahaa

 

[ch33zw1z]

1. Cops is still on TV? lol...

2. Sucks for the camera guy

3. 30 rounds to take down a guy with an airsoft gun who just robbed a Wendy's? wow...

 

[bshole]

1. Cops is still on TV? lol...

2. Sucks for the camera guy

3. 30 rounds to take down a guy with an airsoft gun who just robbed a Wendy's? wow...

Yes they require OVERWHELMING force to go along with their OVERWHELMING idiocy.

 

[WelshBloke]

Any comments? Those guys know the hazards of the job. It sucks, but filming the police carries with it an inherent danger.

I wonder if his family gets some sort of extra life insurance payout now.

It's funny cos the first thing you said was that filming the police is risky not that filming armed robbers is risky.

 

[rommelrommel]

Let us know when you finally extract your foot from your mouth....hahahaa

/facepalm

 

[rommelrommel]

Did the suspect fire?

Hint - it was an airsoft gun.

I don't give a shit if he shot or not, that was a hypothetical. In this case, you commit armed robbery and point something that looks like a gun at cops, you get shot. Good riddance to anyone that thinks that is a good idea.

If someone points a gun at you, you shoot until the threat has stopped. There isn't a specific amount of "deadly force" that you use.

 

[-slash-]

I don't give a shit if he shot or not, that was a hypothetical. In this case, you commit armed robbery and point something that looks like a gun at cops, you get shot. Good riddance to anyone that thinks that is a good idea.

If someone points a gun at you, you shoot until the threat has stopped. There isn't a specific amount of "deadly force" that you use.

No shit. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Airsoft or not, even if the suspect fired first it could have been an air pistol, which is capable of killing someone. If you're dumb enough to point a gun or gun looking object at officers and FIRE it, you have signed a death warrant.

 

[her209]

If someone points a gun at you, you shoot until the threat has stopped. There isn't a specific amount of "deadly force" that you use.

What about a cop that points a gun at protestors?

 

[MongGrel]

Good thing for them it wasn't a 9 year old with an Uzi.

:hmm:

 

[Riparian]

Yeah...drats......so why only 30+ shots.......why not 50 or more...what are these cops thinking.....

ah...I know -- if enough shots are fired you are bound to hit something!!

I've got to know how you reconcile your posts on use of force in your various Israel threads with your posts in the various police use of force threads.

 

[rommelrommel]

What about a cop that points a gun at protestors?

Cop should be suspended, incident investigated, and appropriate action taken up to and including firing.

 

[Saint Nick]

I live very close to this Wendy's.

Omaha is seeing a very large increase in gun-related violence, robberies, and armed home invasions. There is seemingly at least a few shootings per week. The thugs that come out of the "hood" (aka North Omaha) only do so to rob and terrorize the middle class. It's gotten a lot worse since I moved here in '05.

I should add that our policemen have been involved in several controversial cases over the past four years as well. Entering homes without permission or warrants, excessive force violations, etc. Our police chief wanted the COPS show to come to Omaha show so he could show off our professionalism. Didn't work out so well.

 

[-slash-]

What about a cop that points a gun at protestors?

Circumstantial, why was he pointing the gun at the protesters?

 

[her209]

Cop should be suspended, incident investigated, and appropriate action taken up to and including firing.

In other words, the cop doesn't deserve to be shot "until the threat has stopped"?

 

[Bitek]

I've got to know how you reconcile your posts on use of force in your various Israel threads with your posts in the various police use of force threads.

Seriously this. Substitute cops for IDF and everything is a 180.
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Condolences to the crew.

Cops is great show tho. You can see all the stupid shit cops have to deal with, and as good or as not so good some of them are at dealing with it. They do fuck with blacks a lot in traffic stops. Most fools are drunk, crazy or high. Its a dangerous job, but they need to be really good at defusing people that are not in their right minds. Guns should be so little of the job.


Cops. Parents for people that were raised by shitty ones.

 

[rommelrommel]

In other words, the cop doesn't deserve to be shot "until the threat has stopped"?

It's part of the social contract that we grant the use of violence to the state. When a uniformed officer performing his duties uses too much force the appropriate response is not to fight back. This is simple shit. Like it or not, a cop in the course of his duties does get the benefit of the doubt (in the moment anyways.) If you surrender you won't get shot, that's the deal. There is no such deal when a criminal threatens a cop or a civilian.

 

[bshole]

I don't give a shit if he shot or not, that was a hypothetical. In this case, you commit armed robbery and point something that looks like a gun at cops, you get shot. Good riddance to anyone that thinks that is a good idea.

If someone points a gun at you, you shoot until the threat has stopped. There isn't a specific amount of "deadly force" that you use.

or as in this case you gun down the innocent audio man who is along for the ride.... I thought the idea was to shoot the suspect, not spray down the whole motherfucking neighborhood!!!

 

[ch33zw1z]

or as in this case you gun down the innocent audio man who is along for the ride.... I thought the idea was to shoot the suspect, not spray down the whole motherfucking neighborhood!!!

In capitalist 'murica, it's quantity, not quality.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I've got to know how you reconcile your posts on use of force in your various Israel threads with your posts in the various police use of force threads.

No actually you don`t...when you have nothing better to say you ramp up the Israeli thing.....or you thread crap by trying to change the subject...
There is a huge difference between what is happening in the Middle east and what is happening here...no comparison at all...

Even when you add the use of force........no comparison!

 

[unokitty]

...This is simple shit. Like it or not, a cop in the course of his duties does get the benefit of the doubt (in the moment anyways.) ...

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While you are welcome to your own opinion, you are not welcome to your own facts.

And the fact is that none of the cops referenced above, who were shot by other cops, got any benefit of any doubt.

At the Military Police Academy, I was trained in fire discipline and the prudent use of deadly force. Which seems quite different than the current, kill the suspect and any witnesses, don't say anything, wait until we get the forensic info and we will fix you up with the PD lawyers to issue a statement which you seem to embrace...

In order to protect and serve the civilian audio man, it was necessary to kill the civilian audio man?

LOL

Uno

 

[smackababy]

At the Military Police Academy, I was trained in fire discipline and the prudent use of deadly force. Which seems quite different than the current, kill the suspect and any witnesses, don't say anything, wait until we get the forensic info and we will fix you up with the PD lawyers to issue a statement which you seem to embrace...

In order to protect and serve the civilian audio man, it was necessary to kill the civilian audio man?

LOL

Uno

I don't know when you were in, but a lot of the older use of force models and escalations of force procedures have been removed. The reason: MPs were having to think too much, and therefore hesitate and getting killed.

The training I got while doing security forces duty(I wasn't an MP, but we had additional duty to cover that when units got deployed) had quotes like: "If someone trying to access nuclear material or weapons is using a baby as a human shield, you shoot through the baby. Do anything necessary to stop them."

Having seen cops, in most situations where there is a possibly armed suspect, the camera men will wait back until given the all clear by officers. I think further investigation in this matter will likely show the audio guy was out of position, for lack of a better term. It is a tragic accident, for sure, but the hazards of the job are real.

 

[unokitty]

The training I got while doing security forces duty(I wasn't an MP, but we had additional duty to cover that when units got deployed) had quotes like: "If someone trying to access nuclear material or weapons is using a baby as a human shield, you shoot through the baby. Do anything necessary to stop them."l.

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The AP reminds us that:
"On July 28, 2012, the three activists cut through three fences before reaching a $548 million storage bunker" at the Y-12 National Security Complex in Oak Ridge. "They hung banners, strung crime-scene tape and hammered off a small chunk of the fortress-like Highly Enriched Uranium Materials Facility, or HEUMF, inside the most secure part of complex. After the break-in, the complex had to be shut down, security forces were re-trained and contractors were replaced."

Matt Shafer Powell of NPR member station WUOT previously that the facility is "often described as the Fort Knox of nuclear weapons material. So no one was more surprised to find out that an 82-year-old nun could break into the complex than the woman who did it."

"We had no idea how much was electrocuted," Rice told WUOT. "The sensor, we didn't know exactly which was, we suspected which was but we kept moving. No dogs came out. ..

I'll trust that you provided better security than that of the nuclear facility cited above that was compromised by an 84 year old nun.

Nonetheless, I would put forth the proposition, that in the instant case had the police exercised better fire discipline and perhaps thought a bit more, then the civilian, that they brought to the crime scene, might not have been a friendly fire causality.

Just my opinion, but I think that when you invite a civilian to ride along with you, and you end up shooting and killing him, it indicates a lack of something... Call it fire discipline. Call it thinking. Call it professionalism...

Whatever you call it, the fact remains. The audio technician is KIA.

Killed by a bullet from a gun of a person who was sworn to 'protect and serve'.

Uno
Sentry Dog Handler
US Army 69-71