Cops beating the two subjects in Calif

[Ilmater]

YES, I'm serious. I just don't get it. I hear people like Dave Chapelle joking that black people are afraid of cops, but I find myself thinking, "Well, you don't see a lot of black people getting beat for no reason." I'm not saying that it's possible that blacks are treated worse than whites - that's bad - and I'm not saying that it's right for a cop to beat balck people just because they're arresting them. However, if the cops aprehend a guy who just shot up a store robbing the place or that just drove down the highway at 100+mph, and they beat the sh*t out of him, I just don't care! Who do we see being beat right now that people are complaining about?

1: Guy who put many people in danger
2: Guy who threw a bottle at cops

Am I supposed to feel sorry for them? I don't care if they're black, white, hispanic, whatever: you throw a bottle at a cop or drive 100mph on the highway running from cops, I certainly won't be on TV complaining aobut your treatment. What are these people doing? Don't they have anything better to do? Why don't you go help the 99% of the rest of the community that will actually TRY to better themselves.

How is it that in New Jack City, we all cheer when Ice-T beats Nino Brown down, but we complain about these cops? Because they're white?

I'm sorry, but I just saw this guy on O'Reilly (yeah, I know I'm going to hear it about that one) who was complaining about how the guy that threw the bottle at the cops was beat. WHO CARES?!

Am I crazy, or does anyone agree with me?

 

[Drift3r]

Interesting how people on the left make the car thief in LA look like a victim. If you review the series of events that happened when he was arrested you see that he was not a victim whatsoever. Oh and if he was a white car thief or a white idiot throwing a bottle at a cop no one would give a damn enough to plaster the video all over tv. Really it's common sense here. If you don't want to get stopped by the police or beat up for acting like a dumba$$ jerk then don't break the law and don't give cops a hard time.

P.S. To anyone who wants to play the whiteman guilt trip card, please don't tell me that I don't know what it is to be a minority. That's a bunch a bull since I am what the left calls a minority. Of course in 50 years my people will be the majority in California and other states. Oh ! My ancestors never owned any slaves either so I could give damn about that issue as well.

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Interesting how people on the left make the car thief in LA look like a victim. If you review the series of events that happened when he was arrested you see that he was not a victim whatsoever. Oh and if he was a white car thief or a white idiot throwing a bottle at a cop no one would give a damn enough to plaster the video all over tv. Really it's common sense here. If you don't want to get stopped by the police or beat up for acting like a dumba$$ jerk ? Then don't break the law and don't give cops a hard time.

P.S. To anyone who wants to play the whiteman guilt trip card, please don't tell me that I don't know what it is to be a minority. That's a bunch a bull since I am what the left calls a minority. Of course in 50 years my people will be the majority in California and other states. Oh ! My ancestors never owned any slaves either so I could give damn about that issue as well.

Please, I'm to the left and I think he deserve the beating that he got and more to come.

 

[kylebisme]

well i am not on the left and i don't think it is right to beat anyone, regardless of the situation.

 

[Tripleshot]

WE expect our cops to be better than a street thug and respect all peoples rights. No one is calling him a victim of anything other than a cop who lost his cool and used un-nessesary force against an individual already restrained by other officers,and when viewed by the fillm footage, the perp was on his way to the ground surrendering with his hands held high,obviously not fighting back.

I expect better emotional control by police officers. That is not a liberal thought, that is a practical mindset of a mature person who thinks before he acts (most of the time ).

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
WE expect our cops to be better than a street thug and respect all peoples rights. No one is calling him a victim of anything other than a cop who lost his cool and used un-nessesary force against an individual already restrained by other officers,and when viewed by the fillm footage, the perp was on his way to the ground surrendering with his hands held high,obviously not fighting back.

I expect better emotional control by police officers. That is not a liberal thought, that is a practical mindset of a mature person who thinks before he acts (most of the time ).

It's not that I agree with the actions, but what do the cops have to scare criminals somehow. How do you convince a guy not to run and endanger lives? Jail? Yeah, whatever.

 

[kylebisme]

it is not the cops job to scare anyone, their job is to "protect and serve."

 

[dahunan]

YOU are lucky there are liberals out there.

If everyone thought like you then what would stop the cops from beating anyone they wanted to?


If you don't agree with what the cop did then why did you start this thread?

The criminal was already restrained.

Maybe for good measure - from now on.. we should allow EVERY cop who is involved in an arrest to take a couple swings at the person they arrested.

Or maybe we should close all the jails and just let the COURTS sentence criminals to beatings with nightsticks??

 

[Tab]

I agree with you to a point Ilmater, but beating someone after they are cuffed? No, thats inhuman and its not part of any law enforcement officers job. Otherwise, I could careless if a officer hits some thug who stole or shot or did anything that hurt someone. When officers go out of their way to beat a suspect thats out of line.

 

[Drift3r]

First of all the criminal in this case stole a car and then engaged in a high speed chase with the cops which could of ended with someone getting killed had he not of been cornered by the police officer. Then when the criminal was cornered he ran from the police. Any sane person who wants to stay alive for a long time while being a cop is going to damn make sure that this guy does not have a chance to pull a fast one while they are cuffing him.

The cops said that when they had him on the floor the guy had something in his pocket that they felt as they were making the arrest. It turned out to be a pair of wire cutters but we all know that sometimes it more then a pair of wire cutters, like a gun, knife or a AIDS or Hep B infested needle. You can't go around Monday morning quarter backing or second guessing situations like these as they are evolving at the moment.

Sorry but when you engaged in reckless behavior and put other peoples lives at risk and then decided to resist arrest by running away from the police you should not have the right to complain about a little ruff behavior. If this guy didn't go around stealing cars or engaging in other crazy behavior maybe somethings like this would not happen. It's not society's fault, it's not the cops fault, it's not the fault of the victim either that this car thief decided to break the law.

If anything the cop should just be verbally reprimanded for not being in control of his emotions during that one specific incident and then be sent back to the trenches of the inner-city hell hole known as L.A. In hind sight it's easier to sit on a couch and say what should of been done but the fact is that in this situation the time to think about all the possibilities is not easily at the disposal of those engaged in this incident as it is developing.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
it is not the cops job to scare anyone, their job is to "protect and serve."

So how do you "protect and serve" the public when a criminal decides that he/she does not have to follow the law anymore ? Personally I'd like to see how everyone here would react and feel if put in the same situation. No matter how much training you give a cop, under underneath that badge you are going to have a human being with a mind and heart. As we all know humans are not anything near perfect beings and this is not an excuse for bad behavior but the realities of any given situation must always be thought about before passing judgment.

The sad thing about this whole affair is that this car thief will more then likely end up suing the city for a huge amount of cash and in the end he will more then likely get it because the city governments in most big cities are so god damn gutless when it comes to lawyers and lawsuits. Not only that they'll probably end up dropping the charges to appease this car thief.

 

[daveshel]

Originally posted by: Ilmater
However, if the cops aprehend a guy who just shot up a store robbing the place or that just drove down the highway at 100+mph, and they beat the sh*t out of him, I just don't care! Who do we see being beat right now that people are complaining about?

OK, until you're the guy that they pull over by mistake because your taillights look like his and you had one or two before leaving...

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
it is not the cops job to scare anyone, their job is to "protect and serve."

So how do you "protect and serve" the public when a criminal decides that he/she does not have to follow the law anymore ? Personally I'd like to see how everyone here would react and feel if put in the same situation. No matter how much training you give a cop, under underneath that badge you are going to have a human being with a mind and heart. As we all know humans are not anything near perfect beings and this is not an excuse for bad behavior but the realities of any given situation must always be thought about before passing judgment.

The sad thing about this whole affair is that this car thief will more then likely end up suing the city for a huge amount of cash and in the end he will more then likely get it because the city governments in most big cities are so god damn gutless when it comes to lawyers and lawsuits. Not only that they'll probably end up dropping the charges to appease this car thief.

Tell us how a cop beating ANYONE in the head with a nigkstick who is ALREADY RESTRAINED can be considered justified under the LAW?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
So how do you "protect and serve" the public when a criminal decides that he/she does not have to follow the law anymore ?

i suppose i might have an a bit more insight on the subject than you here as my father was a carrier cop (mp); anyway, the procedure calls for arresting such indivudals, beating them is not a part of that procedure.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
it is not the cops job to scare anyone, their job is to "protect and serve."

So how do you "protect and serve" the public when a criminal decides that he/she does not have to follow the law anymore ? Personally I'd like to see how everyone here would react and feel if put in the same situation. No matter how much training you give a cop, under underneath that badge you are going to have a human being with a mind and heart. As we all know humans are not anything near perfect beings and this is not an excuse for bad behavior but the realities of any given situation must always be thought about before passing judgment.

The sad thing about this whole affair is that this car thief will more then likely end up suing the city for a huge amount of cash and in the end he will more then likely get it because the city governments in most big cities are so god damn gutless when it comes to lawyers and lawsuits. Not only that they'll probably end up dropping the charges to appease this car thief.

Tell us how a cop beating ANYONE in the head with a nigkstick who is ALREADY RESTRAINED can be considered justified under the LAW?

A.) He was not beating him with a nightstuck.

B.) He was in the process of being restrained.

C.) That is not a beating by any stretch of the imagination. If anything it's just a cop using to much force to subdue a suspect.

I guess you feel that this guy should be let go or given a huge some of cash because of what happened right? He must be a victim of the white man's racism and unjust laws.

 

[sandorski]

Courts dispense Justice, Cops gather in those suspected of commiting Crimes so that they can be brought to Court.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
it is not the cops job to scare anyone, their job is to "protect and serve."

So how do you "protect and serve" the public when a criminal decides that he/she does not have to follow the law anymore ? Personally I'd like to see how everyone here would react and feel if put in the same situation. No matter how much training you give a cop, under underneath that badge you are going to have a human being with a mind and heart. As we all know humans are not anything near perfect beings and this is not an excuse for bad behavior but the realities of any given situation must always be thought about before passing judgment.

The sad thing about this whole affair is that this car thief will more then likely end up suing the city for a huge amount of cash and in the end he will more then likely get it because the city governments in most big cities are so god damn gutless when it comes to lawyers and lawsuits. Not only that they'll probably end up dropping the charges to appease this car thief.

Tell us how a cop beating ANYONE in the head with a nigkstick who is ALREADY RESTRAINED can be considered justified under the LAW?

A.) He was not beating him with a nightstuck.

B.) He was in the process of being restrained.

C.) That is not a beating by any stretch of the imagination. If anything it's just a cop using to much force to subdue a suspect.

I guess you feel that this guy should be let go or given a huge some of cash because of what happened right? He must be a victim of the white man's racism and unjust laws.

Don't be AN ASS and put words in my mouth.. OK

I think the criminal should be punished by the courts to the FULLEST EXTENT of the law - not by the cops..

I also am one who believes that if someone breaks into a home then the homeowner has the right to SHOOT them right in their skull and then receive an award from the city for taking care of the scum

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
it is not the cops job to scare anyone, their job is to "protect and serve."

So how do you "protect and serve" the public when a criminal decides that he/she does not have to follow the law anymore ? Personally I'd like to see how everyone here would react and feel if put in the same situation. No matter how much training you give a cop, under underneath that badge you are going to have a human being with a mind and heart. As we all know humans are not anything near perfect beings and this is not an excuse for bad behavior but the realities of any given situation must always be thought about before passing judgment.

The sad thing about this whole affair is that this car thief will more then likely end up suing the city for a huge amount of cash and in the end he will more then likely get it because the city governments in most big cities are so god damn gutless when it comes to lawyers and lawsuits. Not only that they'll probably end up dropping the charges to appease this car thief.

Tell us how a cop beating ANYONE in the head with a nigkstick who is ALREADY RESTRAINED can be considered justified under the LAW?

A.) He was not beating him with a nightstuck.

B.) He was in the process of being restrained.

C.) That is not a beating by any stretch of the imagination. If anything it's just a cop using to much force to subdue a suspect.

I guess you feel that this guy should be let go or given a huge some of cash because of what happened right? He must be a victim of the white man's racism and unjust laws.

Don't be AN ASS and put words in my mouth.. OK

I think the criminal should be punished by the courts to the FULLEST EXTENT of the law - not by the cops..

I also am one who believes that if someone breaks into a home then the homeowner has the right to SHOOT them right in their skull and then receive an award from the city for taking care of the scum

and if someone is caught breaking into that home owners parked car ?

The point being is that this guy got off with a minor slap on the wrist and was only slightly ruffed up. Well boo hoo ! Now compared that to what would of happened if the owner of the car he stole was armed and caught him in the act of breaking into his property? What do you think would of happened ?

Was the cop slightly out of control after engaging the suspect in a very dangerous high speed chase and subsequent foot chase on the streets of LA ? Yes.

Did he use a little to much force when subduing the suspect ? Yes.

Was he brutalizing the suspect and savagely beating him ? NO!

What happened is hardly worth shedding tears about. The criminal just got slightly ruffed up and like I said above in a previous post all that needs to be done with this cop is to verbally reprimand him and that's it. Make sure that he knows what he did was wrong when it came to his slight lack of emotional control and that if he continues using the same tactics in the future then he will be off the force for good. This is hardly a matter worth losing sleep over.

 

[Moonbeam]

"whatever: you throw a bottle at a cop or drive 100mph on the highway running from cops,"

Boy are you stupid. I'd a done the same damn thing if I knew I was gonna get beat if I got caught only I would a driven 200 mph.

 

[LunarRay]

The rule of law that we live under sees no difference between Moonbeam beating someone and a cop beating someone (IMO). What makes it worse is the cop is paid to serve and protect the very folk he beat. After the force necessary to apprehend the alleged criminal is passed it is battery (IMO). It is that line that must be evaluated by folks who are charged with that responsibility and if there is criminality then ... well.. there it is.
I'd not want to prosecute a cop... lots in the family including a son... and, neither do I want a border line case handed up to the DA. Clear and beyond the pale would be my standard. No reasonable doubt at all as to the fact the cop battered the alleged criminal.

 

[Painman]

Cops and robbers are cut from the same cloth IMO, they both like to live on the bleeding edge of the law.

 

[jpeyton]

Please note that when a cop arrests someone, that person is a suspect. A SUSPECT. A cop is supposed to be cool-headed, restrained, and willing to follow the letter of the law.

If you think our justice system is perfect, it's most definitely not. Innocent people are taken to court all the time, so just because they were arrested doesn't mean they deserve a beating from a police officer.

An officer who can't keep a level head doesn't deserve to wear a badge, and most certainly doesn't deserve the rights given to an officer of the law.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Painman
Cops and robbers are cut from the same cloth IMO, they both like to live on the bleeding edge of the law.

I don't share that opinion. Robbers have no regard for their victims, the law nor often the consequences whereas the cops with some exceptions have those same victims the law pertaining and society in general as the motivator that keeps them providing the service they provide. Cops enforce what we in society decide. They are our sticks. They are often seen as our door mats and that is wrong. They are essential to our well being and way of life.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Please note that when a cop arrests someone, that person is a suspect. A SUSPECT. A cop is supposed to be cool-headed, restrained, and willing to follow the letter of the law.

If you think our justice system is perfect, it's most definitely not. Innocent people are taken to court all the time, so just because they were arrested doesn't mean they deserve a beating from a police officer.

An officer who can't keep a level head doesn't deserve to wear a badge, and most certainly doesn't deserve the rights given to an officer of the law.

My point deals with 'the force needed to apprehend an alleged criminal or suspect' Assuming reasonable cause exists, the police are charge with the responsibility to take into custody these 'suspects'. The failure on the part of the suspect to obey the lawful orders of the police officer then becomes the problematic issue. Officer safety, the public's safety and the arrest process itself all must be considered.
If rights were found to be violated by the police officer then yes he should not be doing that job. Just as a quack surgeon should not be cutting into patients.

 

[Rainsford]

No experience I have ever had with cops suggests its a good idea for them to dispense justice to ANYONE, even the obviously guilty. And yet I've had lots of person experiences suggesting they shouldn't be dispensing justice.

When your local cops CAUSE a riot, mace, club and pepper spray random (and innocent) people while letting the guilty get away, you're opinion of their ability to uphold the values of our justice system tends to decrease rather sharply. I don't think cops are evil or bad or anything like that, I just think it's best if they stick to their jobs, and leave the justice to those better at its application.