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Cops arrest man filming police, shoot his dog.

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Craig234 said:
Thing is, in a police operation, dealing with a guy showing hostility they're about to detain, you don't give him any more chance to go to his car and get a gun.

The guy had the chance to the secure the dog when he put him in the car, and should have done it then.

It would be bad police procedure to say 'go back to car then we'll handcuff you'.
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I disagree, it's bad police work to apprehend an individual when it's not safe to do so. They should have gotten him to lock up the dog as their first priority while maintaining a very close look on him.

Once the situation is manageable, then talk to/apprehend the individual.
 
GagHalfrunt said:
20 seconds or twenty minutes, it doesn't matter. The guy willingly put the dog in a car with rolled down windows and no restraint. He and only he made that decision and it was before police intervention. You said They removed his control of the dog...

I understand why you don't want to man up and own those words given how stupid they are and how the video proves them to be completely false, but tough shit. THEY did not remove his control of the dog, he himself removed his control of the dog. What the dog did after the owner INTENTIONALLY left him unrestrained is 100% on the owner. Period. The video does not lie, only you do.
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When you have two armed officers coming at you that just previously beat the crap out of you and locked you up for no reason, you tend to react fast.
 
alkemyst said:
When you have two armed officers coming at you that just previously beat the crap out of you and locked you up for no reason, you tend to react fast.
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And you know it was for no reason? You know he has been charged in the past with resisting arrest, battery, and driving under the influence? But you're probably right, he's just an upstanding citizen continually in the wrong place at the wrong time with a bunch of racist and crooked cops. What horrible luck.
 
JDawg1536 said:
And you know it was for no reason? You know he has been charged in the past with resisting arrest, battery, and driving under the influence? But you're probably right, he's just an upstanding citizen continually in the wrong place at the wrong time with a bunch of racist and crooked cops. What horrible luck.
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What one did in the past should not be extended to new events.
 
alkemyst said:
What one did in the past should not be extended to new events.
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Surely. My point was, you're immediately taking the side of a repeat offender when you have zero idea of what actually happened.

alkemyst said:
When you have two armed officers coming at you that just previously beat the crap out of you and locked you up for no reason, you tend to react fast.
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It does for the poor guy who can't seem to stop breaking the law, though?
 
I finally got around to watching this. I have experience working in law enforcement and I can tell you that shooting that dog was completely justified. Those of you who think it wasn't are just clueless about police work.
 
Vaux said:
I finally got around to watching this. I have experience working in law enforcement and I can tell you that shooting that dog was completely justified. Those of you who think it wasn't are just clueless about police work.
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Killing the dog was necessary. Trust me, im a cop.
 
WelshBloke said:
Clearly they should have let the dog chew on the policemans leg till it got full and sleepy.
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The third cop is an idiot, plain and simple. Comes in to the situation guns a blazin. Literally and figuratively.

Mailmen deal with dogs on a daily basis more often than cops. Why do we never see an incident where they shoot a dog?
 
Vaux said:
I finally got around to watching this. I have experience working in law enforcement and I can tell you that shooting that dog was completely justified. Those of you who think it wasn't are just clueless about police work.
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So in other words, when a police officer places him/herself in unnecessarily compromising situations, there's always a gun to erase poor decision-making.

BTW, if the officers believed the dog to be dangerous or aggressive, they likely would have approached this misdemeanor initially with hands on holsters.
 
cheezy321 said:
The third cop is an idiot, plain and simple. Comes in to the situation guns a blazin. Literally and figuratively.
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Uh, no he did not. His "blazin gun" was holstered until the dog got loose and there was a threat. He drew his firearm to protect himself and everyone else. He made two attempts to gain control of the dog.

cheezy321 said:
Mailmen deal with dogs on a daily basis more often than cops. Why do we never see an incident where they shoot a dog?
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Uh, probably because mailmen don't carry guns. Just a guess.
 
bradley said:
So in other words, when a police officer places him/herself in unnecessarily compromising situations, there's always a gun to erase poor decision-making.

BTW, if the officers believed the dog to be dangerous or aggressive, they likely would have approached this misdemeanor initially with hands on holsters.
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You must be talking about the poor decision making of the dog owner.

And they didn't believe the dog to be dangerous initially, it was in a car with the window up. Do you have eyes, or did you touch a braille version of the video?
 
The average dog is likely going to bite a stranger who "attempts to gain control" by grabbing its collar. That's like wondering why a cornered rat bites, while you attempt to grab its nape.

Perhaps shooting in such a crowded area wasn't that wise when mace (or a baton) would have been the more appropriate and common sense solution. Thank goodness mailmen aren't allowed to carry guns.
 
cheezy321 said:
Mailmen deal with dogs on a daily basis more often than cops. Why do we never see an incident where they shoot a dog?
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I did a quick google search for you, and here is what I found.... just from last year -

2012 Dog Bite Fatality: Postal Worker Dies Days After Vicious Dog Attack - See more at: http://blog.dogsbite.org/2012/10/20...es-after-dog-attack.html#sthash.9398PRYj.dpuf

2012 Dog Bite Fatality: Letter Carrier Dies After Pit Bull Attack in Escondido - See more at: http://blog.dogsbite.org/2012/03/2012-dog-bite-fatality-letter-carrier.html#sthash.8lLbKOiw.dpuf

Delaware Postal Worker Attacked By Dogs Dies
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/10/18/delaware-postal-worker-attacked-by-dogs-dies/

Mail Carrier Dies After Dog Attack - Who's Responsible?
http://voices.yahoo.com/mail-carrier-dies-after-dog-attack-whos-responsible-11100102.html?cat=53

Dog's Owner Is Devastated by Mailman's Death
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Dogs-Owner-Is-Devastated-Daughter.html
 
JDawg1536 said:
You must be talking about the poor decision making of the dog owner.

And they didn't believe the dog to be dangerous initially, it was in a car with the window up. Do you have eyes, or did you touch a braille version of the video?
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They are initially approaching the dog and owner while both are on the street. I'm presumably watching the very same video.
 
bradley said:
Perhaps shooting in such a crowded area wasn't that wise when mace (or a baton) would have been the more appropriate and common sense solution. Thank goodness mailmen aren't allowed to carry guns.
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Perhaps, or perhaps everyone would be outraged if it were beaten with a baton. Perhaps beating the dog with a baton or macing it would only further agitate the dog and it would run into the crowd and dig its teeth into a little girl. Perhaps next time he should try and sit down and talk with the dog.
 
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