Cop tells citizen he just lost his rights to free speech

[SparkyJJO]

Cops are scumbags, what else is new?

Generalizations are, in general, wrong.

So there are hundreds of thousands of cops out there, you have a few thousand that are scumbags, so the 1% represent the other 99%? Or heck the 10% the other 90% even? 🙄

 

[OBLAMA2009]

All cops are scumbags, because the "good" ones protect the bad ones.

what percentage of cops would help/protect a "bad" cop? close to 100%. it doesnt surprise me though, they come from the same segment of society as most criminals

i read an interview with the actor dennis farina (he was a real cop before he became an actor). he said he became an actor because he couldnt stand copping cuz everyone he worked with was involved in criminal activity--cops would assault people, steal things, deal drugs, do prostitution etc...the MAJORITY of cops ARE BAD, and thats exacerbated by the fact that theres no one policing the cops

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/mik...ntold-story-corruption-drove-him-police-force

 

[BoberFett]

Generalizations are, in general, wrong.

So there are hundreds of thousands of cops out there, you have a few thousand that are scumbags, so the 1% represent the other 99%? Or heck the 10% the other 90% even? 🙄

What percentage of those so-called "good" cops snitch on the bad ones?

 

[z1ggy]

Cops in germany carry guns as do a few cops in england. Rarely do you hear about them blatantly violating rights (BTW I lived in england for 15 years). In england, if you see a cop you feel protected. In the US if you see a cop, you immediately feel frightened and nervous.

This is right on. As a kid, I always looked at the police officer as a guy to look for if I needed help.

Now as an adult, when I see a cop I get tense and nervous and make sure I am doing nothing wrong, or that I don't look suspicious. It's pretty sad really... Cops are just there to crack down on anyone or anything that looks remotely out of line, so that the county they serve can make a few bucks. Why else would anybody get a speeding ticket for going 68 in a 55 on a road in the middle of no where (like I did..)? No reason, it's just because they love the power of being able to hand out punishment.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Bad visibility gets attention; it's just as simple as that. 90% of cops (or whatever the figure is) doing their jobs properly isn't newsworthy. Governments that have programs that actually work efficiently and without any corruption or eroding personal freedoms don't make news.

But, that is all there is talk of. I don't see anything good posted about cops. Or government. Or anything with authority.

It seems most posters here are part of a militia, or able to fend for themselves in every sense; utility, water, roads, etc.

Where do you people live where you don't need cops, fire fighters, highways, electrical power, heat, etc.??

Also, I take it some of you have never had to call the police, ever. And, will never have to.

 

[Zargon]

and the dept opened an investigation into it btw.

 

[BoberFett]

Bad visibility gets attention; it's just as simple as that. 90% of cops (or whatever the figure is) doing their jobs properly isn't newsworthy. Governments that have programs that actually work efficiently and without any corruption or eroding personal freedoms don't make news.

Learn to read.

Those 90% "good" cops protect the bad ones.

How about that woman in Florida who pulled over the jackass doing 120 to his second job? She was harassed by many of her fellow "good" cops.

Fuck cops, all of them. They're a legalized gang.

 

[Sunburn74]

Bad visibility gets attention; it's just as simple as that. 90% of cops (or whatever the figure is) doing their jobs properly isn't newsworthy. Governments that have programs that actually work efficiently and without any corruption or eroding personal freedoms don't make news.

See I don't believe that. I remember a recent story about a houston man who gave some change to a homeless man and was immediately pulled over for executing a drug deal.

Here read for yourself
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/...an-hour-for-giving-change-to-homeless-person/

I assure you there was no reprimand for those officers, neither for the rest who stood there laughing at the honest citizen they had essentially assaulted for no reason. There is a phrase "the Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing". There were 10 other officers who could have said "hey this is wrong. we should stop". None of them did. That is the problem. I can't think of any other professional society that does some degree of self policing that functions in the same way.

 

[Howard]

But, that is all there is talk of. I don't see anything good posted about cops. Or government. Or anything with authority.

It seems most posters here are part of a militia, or able to fend for themselves in every sense; utility, water, roads, etc.

Where do you people live where you don't need cops, fire fighters, highways, electrical power, heat, etc.??

Also, I take it some of you have never had to call the police, ever. And, will never have to.

Do I really need to make a post about how punctual my mailman is? Those with greater power need to be scrutinized accordingly, or rampant abuse is sure to go unchecked.

 

[TheVrolok]

In the US if you see a cop, you immediately feel frightened and nervous.

Maybe if you're paranoid? I don't think I've ever felt frightened and nervous when I see a cop? Well, unless I see them on the side of the road as I'm blowing past at 90. 😛 Then yea, nervous is about right.

 

[1prophet]

Maybe if you're paranoid? I don't think I've ever felt frightened and nervous when I see a cop? Well, unless I see them on the side of the road as I'm blowing past at 90. 😛 Then yea, nervous is about right.

You're not a minority, are you?

 

[SparkyJJO]

This is right on. As a kid, I always looked at the police officer as a guy to look for if I needed help.

Now as an adult, when I see a cop I get tense and nervous and make sure I am doing nothing wrong, or that I don't look suspicious. It's pretty sad really... Cops are just there to crack down on anyone or anything that looks remotely out of line, so that the county they serve can make a few bucks. Why else would anybody get a speeding ticket for going 68 in a 55 on a road in the middle of no where (like I did..)? No reason, it's just because they love the power of being able to hand out punishment.

No, the reason was simple. Limit is 55. You were doing 68, 13 mph over the limit. Empty road or not, you broke the law. Faulting a cop for that is silly 🙄

Now if he gave you a ticket for like 2 over that would be rather silly, but 13 over is plenty reason. Slow down, even though I do agree some of these roads really should have higher limits.

 

[Lepton87]

. I can't think of any other professional society that does some degree of self policing that functions in the same way.

I know one other profession that acts similarly to cops in that they always try to bury their mistakes.(literally) Doctors. Usually they don't take responsibility for grossly negligent mistakes, because they all cover their asses.

 

[Geosurface]

IMO, only a bad cop has a problem with his actions (while on duty) being recorded.

I disagree.

It's distracting and annoying. They have a high stress job and some yahoo standing around filming them just adds to that stress.

I personally don't like having anyone look over my shoulder while I use my PC. This is the case even if I'm doing the most innocuous thing imaginable, browsing CNN.com or something completely normal. I just simply don't like being monitored, and never have. It gets under my skin. I always work better when I'm left to myself too.

A cop or group of cops may not want to be filmed because they know they're violating their rules of conduct and don't want to get in trouble for it, but they also may be doing nothing wrong at all and just feel that the person filming them is hampering their ability to do their job. You can't really say which it is without looking at the specific cops and specific situation.

Even though there are problematic things that can happen from filming cops, sometimes it's a good thing to do. There have been some important videos that have come out from people filming with their cell phone, which showed that cops were being ridiculously violent and needlessly brutal - including shooting and tazing people when there was just no good reason for it at all.

I'm glad those people did it, but in most cases the cops didn't even know they were being filmed.

I would say that in almost every case, if the cop is in a position to know you're filming him, you're doing it wrong. Once they're aware of the filming, the odds that you'e deliberately trying to rub it in their nose that you're doing so, and that you will be a disruption are dramatically higher.

So I say to my fellow citizens, film secretly and film in situations where there seems to be a legitimate need to do so, don't use it as a way to harass cops.

 

[Sunburn74]

I know one other profession that acts similarly to cops in that they always try to bury their mistakes.(literally) Doctors. Usually they don't take responsibility for grossly negligent mistakes, because they all cover their asses.

I completely disagree. For one thing US doctors get rigorous ethical training in medical school where the emphasis is on getting things right, not just being right. They are regularly told to squeal on each other (ie incapacitated doctor, incompetent doctor, unethical doctor, etc) and are regularly encouraged to stand up for our ethical professional beliefs. In addition, if a physician's actions are objected to by another physician (for example, imagine if one doctor wanted to take a 97 year old demented man for a high risk surgery, but another doctor objected and said its unreasonable), that objection is taken extremely seriously and often is enough by itself to seek either further help from other physicians or to just do what the objectioner wants.

In addition regarding lawsuits, things have changed dramatically in the last 20 years or so. In the past, doctor's were more or less encouraged not to admit fault as that could be damaging in court. However, this has changed and now doctors are strongly encouraged to admit fault, to have full disclosure of errors to patient's and families, and to do so EARLY on, almost immediately once the error has occurred.

These changes essentially came from
1)a big study by the university of michigan showing that a policy of open discussion of fault, apologies, and early attempts to settle were much more cost effective to the hospital and gave much more patient satisfaction than a policy of attempting to with hold information from a wounded family that would ultimately wind up suing you. The reasons people sue are a lack of communication, a lack of a feeling of respect between the doctor and the patient, and the patient's want to prevent what they went through from ever happening to anyone else. Physicians nowadays when error occurs disclose, disclose fully how the error occurred, and discuss with patients the steps that are being taken to ensure this never happens again and more often than not the case is settled without any lawyers being involved.
2)Legislation changes where apologizing for an error to a patient is not admissible in court and in general doesn't have a negative outcome on that physician's case

Finally, you want to know what is a very common side role of physician's, especially academic doctors? They review cases for negligence by other doctors and will testify against them. They do this for academic and professional interest to ensure that physicians are behaving properly and ethically in the community. Its easy for us to judge police actions. Its kind of hard to judge whether a doctor should have given epinephrine vs dopamine.

Every now and then you hear about some asshat doctor who was egregiously doing something wrong for greed or just out of plain stupidity but its rare and they get absolutely crucified by other physicians. Its nowhere even close to what is daily on the news about police abuse of power and failure to self regulate.

 

[Lepton87]

I'm glad it's not the same everywhere. In Poland it's very unusual for doctors to admit to their mistakes and they usually do not face consequences for their mistakes. They usually don't testify against one another. They were cases where doctors left some objects inside patients(gauze, surgical tools) and even then they continued practicing without facing any consequences. It's sickening that they skirted responsibility for such gross negligence.

 

[JumBie]

These forums hate authority figures, what else is new?

You must be a cop.

 

[destey]

The first amendment is not unlimited, just like the 2nd. There were also no video cameras in the 1700s, just like there were no machine guns. Regulation is necessary in this day and age, a very different time than in the founders day.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

These forums hate authority figures, what else is new?

why would u want an underachieving loser who happened to get a badge and a gun ("because no one with a brain would take that job) to be an ultimate "authority figure" in society?

 

[Exterous]

The first amendment is not unlimited

That would be a good argument if anyone attempted to make the argument that it was unlimited. Since no one did that your point is worthless.

Regulation is necessary in this day and age

Cops are not regulators they are enforcers of existing laws. What law was broken or rule in play that would have limited someone's free speech in this situation?

The police even agree it was incorrect to tell the bystander to not record

 

[destey]

That would be a good argument if anyone attempted to make the argument that it was unlimited. Since no one did that your point is worthless.

LOL pls go. His first amendment rights don't give him the right to hamper their investigation. Must follow all lawful police orders. He thought his first amendment rights took precedent over their investigation, and furthermore after given an order from the police to stop his activities. Certainly seemed like he thought the first was unlimited

 

[destey]

Cops are not regulators they are enforcers of existing laws. What law was broken or rule in play that would have limited someone's free speech in this situation?

You put away the camera as directed by the officer, and you take that up in a court of law, if you believe you are right. You cannot just disobey a police officer.

 

[BoberFett]

You put away the camera as directed by the officer, and you take that up in a court of law, if you believe you are right. You cannot just disobey a police officer.

So if a cop told you to get on your knees and start sucking, you would?

 

[Mean MrMustard]

So if a cop told you to get on your knees and start sucking, you would?

Don't worry, you can just take it up in court afterwards. No worries... 🙂

 

[MrPickins]

LOL pls go. His first amendment rights don't give him the right to hamper their investigation. Must follow all lawful police orders. He thought his first amendment rights took precedent over their investigation, and furthermore after given an order from the police to stop his activities. Certainly seemed like he thought the first was unlimited

Telling a person to stop filming is not a lawful order by the police.

And filming them from a reasonable distance is not hampering the investigation.