Cop only gets two years for killing unarmed man

[ichy]

Moral of the story: Oakland sucks.

 

[dank69]

in other words you have little to no experience with either and are talking out of your ass....

If I said I did, would it matter? Would you believe me? Carry on being an idiot.

 

[piasabird]

Cops should not be allowed to carry tasers. If someone resists arrest they should just shoot them or use a billy Club. Criminals need to be treated like the scum they are. If they run the cops should be allowed to shoot them in the back. After watching all the cop shows of criminals crashing cars off the road and running, I have come to the conclusion that all bail and run criminals should be considered armed and dangerous. Why should police officers have to risk their life chasing some scumbag over fences and through the bushes?

I dont like tasers at all and I think they are a form of torture.

 

[Zargon]

If I said I did, would it matter? Would you believe me? Carry on being an idiot.

yeah the guy talking out his ass with zero knowledge or experience in the matter is right and I am the idiot :awe:

go troll elsewhere, we all know you hate cops now no matter what

 

[dank69]

yeah the guy talking out his ass with zero knowledge or experience in the matter is right and I am the idiot :awe:

go troll elsewhere, we all know you hate cops now no matter what

Nice non sequitur.

Did I say I was right?
Did I say you were wrong?
Maybe you have me confused with someone else.

Speaking of 'talking out your ass' you posted:

then 95% of the people on earth arent qualified...

Where did you come up with that 95% statistic? Do you have a source for that number or were you 'talking out of your ass'? If you were 'talking out of your ass' then by your logic your opinions are now invalid. (Technically, if we were to follow your logic crazy train, you hate cops now.)

 

[Pulsar]

Are you trying to tell me they weigh the same? Are they balanced the same? Please...

When you are grappling with a perpetrator, you are not paying attention to things like weight and balance.

Your continued insistance that the policeman should have acted in a careful, thoughtful manner is specious at best. There is no thought. Nor is there any "attention". The actions are near instantaneous, without thought, on total instinct.

If you cannot, or do not want to understand that, I suggest you either go study it to learn about reactions in high-pressure situations. There are a number of related texts you can find on amazon that can explain it.

 

[pcgeek11]

You're the sort of scumbag I don't want on my side.

I think the sentence was fair. We don't really have any 'lefties' much to disagree with here, but in this area, Oakland, I get to disagree with people on the left.

The issue here is what the crime was as well as the impact.

And IMO, his crime was making a mistake in the heat of the moment. I've approached the question carefully, and that's what seems likely to me.

It's a tragic accident. They should look at the training and procedures to improve them. But his crime was making this mistake, and nothing more IMO.

I don't know if this guy was unfriendly to minorities, I don't know if he had a jerkly attitude about it - dehumanizing the victim - if his eventual remorse was legal advice.

But the bottom line is what his crime was, and this seems fair to me, no more needed.

I heard commentary today. One person said 'THIS IS *MURDER!* No, it's not. Murder requires intent to kill. Another said 'only a two year sentence says that Oscar Grant's life did not have much value'. No, it doesn't. It says that the crime was not a worse one in terms of the behavior by the policeman.

I saw protests, I saw people choosing to get arrested - and for what? It seems to me an irrational poor choice for prioritizing issues.

There are a lot of thing in our society that deserve citizens to organize and protest - take money in politics. This doesn't seem one of them to me.

I am not basing this on the apparent criminal nature of the victim. He was a human being and the loss is a tragedy, period.

An incident like this should be thoroughly investigated for anything worse - any intent on the part of the police officer. It seems it was here, and none was found.

The argument that 'Police have to make judgement calls and need some latitidue for being human' can be abused, to dismiss valid problems that need correction. But it has truth to it.

We have an officer who made a mistake and cost a life. This seems an appropriate punishment for his not being more careful.

OMG I think I'm going to faint....

I agree with you 100% on this. :O Wow, just WOW!

 

[Zebo]

Moral of the story: Oakland sucks.

I was thinking stay away from Oakland cops.

 

[IcePickFreak]

He obviously intended to kill some random guy just because he was black. The cop likely figured "Heck, I'll only have to spend a year or two locked up away from my family with other people I put in jail. It'll be like having my own bachelor pad!" Being a cop in Oakland, he plotted this murder for months/years until he finally went on a call involving a black male and it was show time.

Him, and his wife, should be given the death penalty, his children should be allowed to live but should be sterilized and maimed so they live in shame for the elaborate plot their father acted on.

 

[dank69]

When you are grappling with a perpetrator, you are not paying attention to things like weight and balance.

Your continued insistance that the policeman should have acted in a careful, thoughtful manner is specious at best. There is no thought. Nor is there any "attention". The actions are near instantaneous, without thought, on total instinct.

If you cannot, or do not want to understand that, I suggest you either go study it to learn about reactions in high-pressure situations. There are a number of related texts you can find on amazon that can explain it.

I understand your point and it is a valid one. Please understand that I am not saying that the cop is lying or that I don't believe him. All I am saying is that a cop should be trained for these types of situations. They should know where each and every one of their tools is at all times. They use tools that can kill someone in the blink of an eye, and should treat them (the weapons) with the respect they deserve.

A cop has the ability to kill someone else in cold blood, and in the absence of hard evidence, everyone will give them the benefit of the doubt that the other person had it coming. Excuse me for thinking that before you give someone that type of power they should be properly trained first.

 

[Kaieye]

Remember, it was a BART cop and not a Oakland cop that accidentally shot Oscar Grant.

 

[Amused]

OMG I think I'm going to faint....

I agree with you 100% on this. :O Wow, just WOW!

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[JD50]

I was thinking stay away from Oakland cops.

Why do you keep avoiding my question. I agree with a lot of your posts but your stance here is incredibly inconsistent.

 

[Zargon]

Nice non sequitur.

Did I say I was right?
Did I say you were wrong?
Maybe you have me confused with someone else.

Speaking of 'talking out your ass' you posted:

Where did you come up with that 95% statistic? Do you have a source for that number or were you 'talking out of your ass'? If you were 'talking out of your ass' then by your logic your opinions are now invalid. (Technically, if we were to follow your logic crazy train, you hate cops now.)

what were you trying to infer by calling me an idiot? its doubtful you were saying I was right, and not saying I was right would infer that I was wrong.

You started by dodging my question about your experience with tasers and handguns. Of cour se it matters, as you tell others who have experience that they are wrong and you are right, when you dont know what the fuck you are talking about

My 95% statistic is an estimate from my experiences with people. And your list of requirements. Most people that have that kind of ability, get way better paying lower stress jobs than walking beat.

I am not dissagreeing that it would be great if cops were better trained, but there is no money for that. The training is EXPENSIVE, and you have to pay the officer OT.

Again, personal expereince trumps your words with no expereinece behind them.

 

[JD50]

what were you trying to infer by calling me an idiot? its doubtful you were saying I was right, and not saying I was right would infer that I was wrong.

You started by dodging my question about your experience with tasers and handguns. Of cour se it matters, as you tell others who have experience that they are wrong and you are right, when you dont know what the fuck you are talking about

My 95% statistic is an estimate from my experiences with people. And your list of requirements. Most people that have that kind of ability, get way better paying lower stress jobs than walking beat.

I am not dissagreeing that it would be great if cops were better trained, but there is no money for that. The training is EXPENSIVE, and you have to pay the officer OT.

Again, personal expereince trumps your words with no expereinece behind them.

He probably stayed at a holiday inn express last night though.

 

[classy]

I don't think this was a mistake at all. Because here is the brutal truth, nothing in that video warranted him pulling and using any weapon of any kind. He pulled the one he wanted. I doubt it, but hopefully he gets some time in the general population. I would trade 2 years for 2 weeks in general population. This guy is a scumbag and honestly if he doesn't make it home to his family, just like the guy he smoked didn't make it home to his, then justice truly will have been served.

 

[dank69]

what were you trying to infer by calling me an idiot? its doubtful you were saying I was right, and not saying I was right would infer that I was wrong.

You started by dodging my question about your experience with tasers and handguns. Of cour se it matters, as you tell others who have experience that they are wrong and you are right, when you dont know what the fuck you are talking about

My 95% statistic is an estimate from my experiences with people. And your list of requirements. Most people that have that kind of ability, get way better paying lower stress jobs than walking beat.

I am not dissagreeing that it would be great if cops were better trained, but there is no money for that. The training is EXPENSIVE, and you have to pay the officer OT.

Again, personal expereince trumps your words with no expereinece behind them.

I called you an idiot because you were being an idiot. It is idiotic to ask about someone's experience on an anonymous forum, as if anything they say will carry any weight. It is even more idiotic to dismiss someone's opinion on an anonymous forum just because they don't claim to be an expert. You might as well dismiss every post on this entire forum.

If you truly believe that because you 'have handled your fair share of guns and tasers' that your opinion is more valid than mine you are an idiot plain and simple. You don't know me or anything about me. You don't know how many guns I may have handled in my lifetime.

And for the record, unless you can find links showing otherwise, here are the two pieces of equipment we are most likely discussing:

If you can't tell the difference between those two weapons in one second while blindfolded while being tortured by TFP, well it's probably not safe for you to leave the house without wearing a football helmet and foam mittens.

 

[classy]

The sickening part of the sentence, people have done far far less and have gotten more time. Hell they gave Wesley Snipes 3 years for not paying taxes, but gave this clown only 24 months.

 

[JD50]

I don't think this was a mistake at all. Because here is the brutal truth, nothing in that video warranted him pulling and using any weapon of any kind. He pulled the one he wanted. I doubt it, but hopefully he gets some time in the general population. I would trade 2 years for 2 weeks in general population. This guy is a scumbag and honestly if he doesn't make it home to his family, just like the guy he smoked didn't make it home to his, then justice truly will have been served.

So you think he murdered the guy in cold blood, in front of all of those witnesses? You think he just felt like killing someone that day?

 

[Zebo]

Why do you keep avoiding my question. I agree with a lot of your posts but your stance here is incredibly inconsistent.

I'm ignoring because you didn't read what I said. I already said cop was negligent many times. That implies not on purpose. That does not mean it was an accident. An accident is brain shutting down. I.e. stroke driving down road. Most so-called accidents are gross negligence. Two years too light.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

And for the record, unless you can find links showing otherwise, here are the two pieces of equipment we are most likely discussing:

If you can't tell the difference between those two weapons in one second while blindfolded while being tortured by TFP, well it's probably not safe for you to leave the house without wearing a football helmet and foam mittens.

Here's the link to the taser you chose not to show as it doesn't fit your show and tell story.

http://www.safetytechnology.com/TASER-M26C.htm

 

[classy]

So you think he murdered the guy in cold blood, in front of all of those witnesses? You think he just felt like killing someone that day?

JD I honestly believe he lost control for that split second and he murdered that young boy in cold blood. And he used the taser thing as a cover up lie. I base my opinion soley on the video. There was no violent struggle happening, he had plenty of support there in another cop, the victim was face down, he had ahold of one hand behind the guys back, but then he just jumps up pulls out his gun and shot the dude. I didn't believe it was an accident when it first happened and still don't. He got away with murder.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Here's the link to the taser you chose not to show as it doesn't fit your show and tell story.

http://www.safetytechnology.com/TASER-M26C.htm

Now let's compare the taser to a Glock 22 that police officers choose to
carry.

http://www.policensw.com/info/gen/e5.html

 

[Zebo]

JD I honestly believe he lost control for that split second and he murdered that young boy in cold blood. And he used the taser thing as a cover up lie. I base my opinion soley on the video. There was no violent struggle happening, he had plenty of support there in another cop, the victim was face down, he had ahold of one hand behind the guys back, but then he just jumps up pulls out his gun and shot the dude. I didn't believe it was an accident when it first happened and still don't. He got away with murder.

You're entitled to your opinion but I'd think he'da run into a lot more deserving than some little teen laying on the ground. Say someone really combative. A child molester. Whatever. Cops run into a lot more that makes blood boil than this.

 

[dank69]

Here's the link to the taser you chose not to show as it doesn't fit your show and tell story.

http://www.safetytechnology.com/TASER-M26C.htm

Now let's compare the taser to a Glock 22 that police officers choose to
carry.

http://www.policensw.com/info/gen/e5.html

Nice try bro, but those are not the weapons in question. From the wiki:

Several experts who observed video evidence suggested Mehserle might have confused his gun for his Taser[32][75] causing him to mistakenly believe he was tasering Grant.[76] If Mehserle thought he was firing his Taser, this could provide a full or partial defense to the murder charge,[10][77] depending on whether Mehserle had a legal right to use his taser at all, which was also brought into question.[4] Prosecutors allege that paperwork, including a blood alcohol test, completed by Mehserle after the shooting show that he has changed his story.[70]
While there have been previous cases where police officers have confused guns with Tasers, modern Tasers weigh half as much as handguns.[10] The prosecution argues that the position of Mehserle's Taser "in relation to his duty weapon, combined with the different 'feel' and color of the two weapons makes it highly unlikely that he would have mistaken one for the other."[78] Burris responded to claims of Taser confusion by arguing that video evidence did not support the idea of Taser confusion and, in any event, Mehserle had no reason to fire his Taser.[4] Mehserle was wearing his Taser on the left side of his body (on the opposite side from which he wore his gun) -- but set up for a cross-body, strong hand (right-hand) draw.[79]
BART purchased the Taser X26 stun guns in September, and provided them to officers after six hours of training,[4] which is the amount recommended by the manufacturer

Plus I also read that the bullet was indeed a .40