Cop only gets two years for killing unarmed man

[JSt0rm]

Have you played contact sports?

I know you hate me. I don't care. You mean nothing - unless I am admitted and I need you to change my bed pan

 

[Craig234]

What is the pig saying? "Better to be judged by 7 then carried by 6"

That is the mentality. Basically if you kill some innocent its unfortunate but better to kill someone then have even a chance of them killing you. And the punishment isn't bad so do it already.

The low number of officer killings of people suggests they are not reckless.

 

[Zebo]

None of that matters?

The cops wouldn't have even been there if the guy wasn't drunk and high while brawling on a BART train, while putting the civilized riders safety into question.

His action certainly had an impact on the events of that night.

His record should not matter in justification to kill him or making it okay. You can't take it back. They won't heal. It's over.

Cop was there to apprehend, had guy down and made a mistake, what should be sentence for mistake is the only question. IMO 2 years ,most under house arrest & county, justice is not served.

If you make mistake of instead of pulling your wallet to show officer you "accidentally" pulled a 1911 and it went off you'd be doing life.

 

[classy]

it was a accident. not like he killed a pillar of society. he was a long standing criminal with a huge record of violence. And why were the cops called into the area to begin with?? He and others were harassing people on the train and someone 911 it in. The real victim is the cop and his family. Your unarmed man was fresh out of prison on probation from a felony conviction. His lawyer told him to behave or go back to the slam. So what does he do? Did he stay home with his family?? No he's out fighting and harassing people on a train. Shit Happens.

It doesn't matter what he may or may not have done in the past. He didn't deserve to be shot in the back like a dog and outright murdered over a scrum. And he wasn't involved in the fight, he was trying to help prevent the fight.

 

[Zebo]

Accident eh? Tazers mass is half or less than a firearm. If you can't tell half in your hand you have issues. Not to mention balance and feel differences.
Here are some tazers used by LE.
http://shop.fortresstactical.com/TASER-Comparisons-s/159.htm

Negligence. I understand people are defensive of LE I am too generally when it comes to beatings because they heal at least, but not killing which you can't take back. There is a huge demarcation between losing your cool and punching a guy in the nose/tazing and killing them.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I can tell you've never handled either as a Glock 23 and tazer weigh about the same. The handles are very similar in size as well.

 

[Zebo]

I can tell you've never handled either as a Glock 23 and tazer weigh about the same. The handles are very similar in size as well.

Glock 23 is 31 oz loaded

C2 is 9oz and shaped like a flash light
M26C is 21oz and front heavy
X26C is 10oz and grip is half the size and front heavy

We don't know what he used but you may have an argument for M26C.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Well this ruling is still harsh compared to this dipshits

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7867036&page=1

Still doesn't make it right. Both should be sitting behind bars for a long time.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I know you hate me. I don't care. You mean nothing - unless I am admitted and I need you to change my bed pan

I don't hate you. That's an emotion which requires continual work to maintain. Tragically amused maybe

Ok I won't give you shit here, but I grew up in Frank Rizzo's Philadelphia. That won't mean anything to you, but back in those times you never ever crossed the police. Ever. I got a good beating when I was 14 for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Yeah, bad stuff happens.

On the other hand I've had police be helpful and considerate. It really depends on the individual. As far as the job goes, most people couldn't do it. Few are able to live as a human target while working, but in a lot of places it's exactly that. I've known smart cops and dumb ones, good and bad. Each is a person and because they are police doesn't make them gods nor devils. I'm not going to condemn them all because I was beat by a few.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The Glock 23 is front heavy as well however, when either are pointed downward it's not as noticeable.

 

[Zebo]

I don't want to make this into a cop hating thread. There are good cops, I'd say better than average people because of background investigation they must go through to prevent shit like this, killing unarmed people...weed out rate is high. However, Cops make mistakes, and I happen to think mistakes need to be punished to prevent future occurrence.

This light or non sentencing goes with a general theme I've noticed last few years with bonused bankers, politicians, LE who don't seem to play be same rules we have to.

 

[Zebo]

Well this ruling is still harsh compared to this dipshits

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7867036&page=1

Still doesn't make it right. Both should be sitting behind bars for a long time.

Wow. Ridiculous. I know a guy who justifiably got 37 years for DUIing through a stop light and killing a family of 4. A kid my dad used to coach. Good kid A student but so what? People died and price must be paid for negligence..

 

[JD50]

just remember it doesnt take much brain power to be a cop. You get to suck on the government tit and not think for yourself. These people generally are trying to overcompensate for something in thier lives and turn to a profession where they get to be violent. I never have to deal with cops but if I ever do I will enter the situation as if I am about to deal with a psychpath who will kill me without thinking about it.

Wrong.

 

[JD50]

Accident eh? Tazers mass is half or less than a firearm. If you can't tell half in your hand you have issues. Not to mention balance and feel differences.
Here are some tazers used by LE.
http://shop.fortresstactical.com/TASER-Comparisons-s/159.htm

Negligence. I understand people are defensive of LE I am too generally when it comes to beatings because they heal at least, but not killing which you can't take back. There is a huge demarcation between losing your cool and punching a guy in the nose/tazing and killing them.

So you think he intentionally shot the guy? Seriously?

 

[Craig234]

Glock 23 is 31 oz loaded

C2 is 9oz and shaped like a flash light
M26C is 21oz and front heavy
X26C is 10oz and grip is half the size and front heavy

We don't know what he used but you may have an argument for M26C.

It's easy to believe in the heat of the moment, an officer could pull the wrong weapon even if it is very different in weight, and not realize it.

He's thinking about all kinds of things, whether the force is justified, the behavior of the suspect, what's going on around with other police and the crowd and suspects.

 

[Zebo]

Even assuming he used a Glock 31 and tazer with almost same mass as Glock 31, which we don't know. Where is tazer holstered? They can't be holstered in exact same location. but in different locations. He had poor training, poor practice, poor muscle memory. I simply don't buy into accidents. there is always a reason for fuckups.

 

[KlokWyze]

No, it's not. You have zero evidence that he had any intent to fire his gun, and meant to kill. That he didn't think he was pulling his tazer and made a mistake.

All the evidence suggests otherwise.



For those who are dehumanizing the victim, I agree.



That used to be more true - especially regarding white police and minority citizens.

For a long time, it was almost as if the police were the agents of whites to 'keep the blacks intimidated and away from the white parts of town' some places, it seemed.

There can still be some racism by white cops against minorities. I've seen anoecdotal cases where former cops express some very bad racism they clearly had while on the force, for example.

But I think things have gotten far, far better to the point if anything the reaction to this incident shows we're at the point of holding the police very accountable, and it's the citizens' side that is overreacting with a mob mentality, letting their grief over a tragedy win over any reason about what happened for many people. They're not helping 'their cause' with this, and proving how they're wrong.

We should celebrate the improvements, to how little any racism is now tolerated by police.

Certainly things are better, but compared to what?

2 years for executing a restrained and unarmed man in front of a crowd of people is beyond anything. I get it, he didn't intend to, yet his actions clearly speak more loudly than any of his good "intentions". Apologists for clear cut corruption keeps the system like this.

And some of you actually insult me because I think 2 years is nothing for the damage this guy caused. D: DAMN I'M SUCH A MORON. HOPEFULLY I'LL BE ABLE TO CRY MYSELF TO SLEEP TONIGHT.

 

[Zebo]

So you think he intentionally shot the guy? Seriously?

No. I think he was reckless and negligent. And 2 years is too light.

 

[Zebo]

Apologists for clear cut corruption keeps the system like this.

/thread

 

[Zebo]

Where is their outrage over the numbers of 'black on black' killings? I know it is a different issue, shouldn't there be more outrage over this because of the number of killings each year

The only reason this is a big deal is because the cop is white. Would their outrage would be similar if the cop was black?

3...2....1 until I get accused of being racist for this post....

If it takes a black man being killed to bring justice to system so be it. They have been known to sacrifice for us all many times in history. I don't see race issue but injustice. 2 years too light.

And yes it would. There was a case a couple years ago of a black cop shooting a white or Hispanic unarmed AF police guy at side of road, he didn't get any time and community was outraged.

 

[nyker96]

I think 2 years is more than enough, I mean, it was an accident right?

Or do you really believe a cop would pull out a pistol on purpose and execute a man right in front of dozens of people? I mean, that seems like a pretty stupid thing to do. Can't believe anyone is that stupid.

I totally agree that the cop didn't mean to kill, it makes no logical sense for him to do it. But on the other hand, for the people from the slums, they see a cop kills one of them then gets just 2 years. I mean to them their lives seems pretty inconsequential and worthless. Yes the guy turns out to have a long list of rap sheet but the cop who shot him didn't know that at the scene. What if he's clean? I mean the cop will still just get 2 years for killing a guy w/ or w/o criminal background. It's a sad story looking from both sides.

Personally I think the police need to do some out reach program to the neighborhood to say the least. On top of that, they need to so some investigation on how to prevent such accidents in the future, like for instance get taser with different handle vs gun etc.

 

[Narmer]

I hope someone accidently shoots this former cop when he gets out. That ought to make things right with the world. WTF would you put a tazer and your gun on the same side? How retarded do you have to be? He couldn't have been nervous because the perps were on the ground and another cop was there. Hopefully, he'll get raped by an AIDS-infected prisoner with a big dick. He's an embarrassment to the uniform.

 

[Narmer]

By the way, no way is this cop spending 2 years in prison. At most he'll serve 6-7 months and get out early for good behavior. What a deal. Imagine if a civilian shoots someone accidently. No way will they get such a sweetheart deal.

 

[Zebo]

WTF would you put a tazer and your gun on the same side?

Good point.

What a deal. Imagine if a civilian shoots someone accidently. No way will they get such a sweetheart deal

And another.

 

[Narmer]

Good point.



And another.

Can you imagine if there was no camera? This cop would be home free. Who would believe civilians over a police officer? No wonder cops are advocating laws that prevent people from filming their activities : Disgust