Cop charged with murder after shooting

[Don Vito Corleone]

A couple cops that make over $100k combined? lol

Where is this at and what position do they hold?

Earning $100K+/year is not uncommon for a senior officer pulling a lot of overtime, at least not where I live.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Agreed. I don't think that a conviction is as guaranteed as people are hoping. The victim did flee and violently resist a lawful arrest, and I wouldn't be surprised if those actions help the defense secure an acquittal.

Consider the Ivory Webb case. The victim was lying on his stomach when Webb demanded that he stand up. The victim began standing and Webb shot him in the back three times, then filed a report claiming that the victim had "charged him." The incident was captured on video, and the recording plainly contradicted Webb's recollection of the event. He was still acquitted.

Never underestimate the DA's ability to throw a case. Also consider how loathe juries are to ever consider a cop bad. Especially murder bad.

 

[Viper GTS]

I know more than a couple cops who make well over $100k. Most of the work is boring and beyond safe.

Its these special cops that get in situations like this. Keep in mind that at no time was the cop's life at risk. Its actually pretty damn rare that a cop's life is in danger.

http://www1.salary.com/Police-Officer-Salary.html

That's basically right at median household income for the US. This forum is full of people who make double to triple that sitting at a desk all day with the biggest threat to their lives lurking in the vending machines.

Maybe if the job paid enough to attract a different group of people we'd be better able to weed out the ones who are likely to be a problem.

Viper GTS

 

[rudeguy]

A couple cops that make over $100k combined? lol

Where is this at and what position do they hold?

just regular cops

 

[master_shake_]

Never underestimate the DA's ability to throw a case. Also consider how loathe juries are to ever consider a cop bad. Especially murder bad.

just read about that.

video evidence, victim is alive, should have been a grand slam...

surprise.

 

[WHAMPOM]

The thing that strikes me most about this is not the killing itself. Obviously nobody is going to defend that.

What I can't help but think is why would anyone want to do that job? Why would you consistently expose yourself to situations where the best possible outcome is nobody dies, and the worst possible outcome (if you make the wrong decision, as this guy clearly did) is something beyond an entire nation wanting to see you hang. I don't think anybody would argue that these guys (Slager and Darren Wilson being the two I'm thinking of) left for work in the morning with the intent to kill anyone. I've seen nothing that makes me think Darren Wilson should have been charged with anything, but a big chunk of the nation wishes the same fate for both of these men.

All that for shit pay and nobody you interact with on a daily basis being happy to see you.

Viper GTS

And yet, you continue to post here without pay.

 

[BoberFett]

http://www1.salary.com/Police-Officer-Salary.html

That's basically right at median household income for the US. This forum is full of people who make double to triple that sitting at a desk all day with the biggest threat to their lives lurking in the vending machines.

Maybe if the job paid enough to attract a different group of people we'd be better able to weed out the ones who are likely to be a problem.

Viper GTS

Cops are more likely to be killed driving to work than they are to be killed by a perp.

The job is not as dangerous as cops and Hollywood would have you believe. there are many more statistically dangerous jobs, cops just have deaths that make for big news headlines.

 

[mizzou]

Cops are more likely to be killed driving to work than they are to be killed by a perp.

The job is not as dangerous as cops and Hollywood would have you believe. there are many more statistically dangerous jobs, cops just have deaths that make for big news headlines.

I think we had this argument a while back, but lets say electrician lineman have an extremely difficult job and statistically very prone to injury/death...but they pretty much know exactly what they are doing and it is a very controlled environment. I'm pretty sure, if you asked a lineman if he would rather fix a detached high power line or respond to a domestic assault where someone was stabbed with a knife, he would rather work on the power line.

The danger is apples/oranges.

 

[fskimospy]

Earning $100K+/year is not uncommon for a senior officer pulling a lot of overtime, at least not where I live.

As has been mentioned before, a patrolman in NYC makes ~$90k a year after 5 years on the force, before overtime.

Yes it's NYC so there's some salary inflation, but still.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

http://www1.salary.com/Police-Officer-Salary.html

That's basically right at median household income for the US. This forum is full of people who make double to triple that sitting at a desk all day with the biggest threat to their lives lurking in the vending machines.

Maybe if the job paid enough to attract a different group of people we'd be better able to weed out the ones who are likely to be a problem.

Viper GTS

Pay has nothing to do with it. Psychologically a job that carries a gun attracts a specific type of person and in many cases that is the type of person who should never be given authority or a gun. The only way to weed out the type of person that makes a bad cop is to take away everything that makes a cop a cop and turn them into little more than meter maids and crossing guards.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

What I can't help but think is why would anyone want to do that job?

1) Good pay
2) Never ever ever get tickets
3) Get to hurt people and no consequences
4) Get viewed as heroes
5) People HAVE to do everything you say or you get to do #3 (fun fun!)
6) Even when lying, your testimony is cherished by the courts and juries
7) Retire super early with fat pension
8) Sweet tacticool gear like thigh gun holsters and camo gear to make swat teams invisible in urban environments
9) Badge bunnies
10) POWER

Why would you consistently expose yourself to situations where the best possible outcome is nobody dies, and the worst possible outcome (if you make the wrong decision, as this guy clearly did) is something beyond an entire nation wanting to see you hang.

You call that a "wrong decision"? The intentional murder of someone running away from you is a "wrong decision"? Maybe it's just me, but I think it's a little more heavy than that.

nobody you interact with on a daily basis being happy to see you.

When the majority of your interaction with people is forced on them against their will under threat of deadly force, and the interaction will likely cause them to lose money or freedom, why would you expect them to be happy to see you? This post reads more as cop masturbatory material than a genuine reflection on why a cop would choose to be a cop.

 

[Blanky]

Cops are more likely to be killed driving to work than they are to be killed by a perp.

The job is not as dangerous as cops and Hollywood would have you believe. there are many more statistically dangerous jobs, cops just have deaths that make for big news headlines.

Being a cop isn't dangerous at all, really, in the grand scheme of things. You're more likely to end up with a permanent injury from construction than the rarity of getting gunned down by a perp.

Can we please get some fucking cameras on all these damn cops immediately?

This pig damn near got away with murder because somebody didn't happen to be there to film his behavior. I am positive that happens all the time.

 

[Viper GTS]

1) Good pay
2) Never ever ever get tickets
3) Get to hurt people and no consequences
4) Get viewed as heroes
5) People HAVE to do everything you say or you get to do #3 (fun fun!)
6) Even when lying, your testimony is cherished by the courts and juries
7) Retire super early with fat pension
8) Sweet tacticool gear like thigh gun holsters and camo gear to make swat teams invisible in urban environments
9) Badge bunnies
10) POWER



You call that a "wrong decision"? The intentional murder of someone running away from you is a "wrong decision"? Maybe it's just me, but I think it's a little more heavy than that.



When the majority of your interaction with people is forced on them against their will under threat of deadly force, and the interaction will likely cause them to lose money or freedom, why would you expect them to be happy to see you? This post reads more as cop masturbatory material than a genuine reflection on why a cop would choose to be a cop.

I have no cop fetish, I try my best to avoid them. But they are vastly underpaid given what we expect them to do.

I feel the same way about most government positions - There's no logical reason that average tech workers should make what the mayor of a major metropolitan area makes given the difference in responsibility and potential for public hatred, yet here we all are arguing about this from work.

If these jobs (now talking specifically mayor type positions) paid private sector wages maybe we could get people who don't feel the need to exploit the system. Unfortunately because the general population gets worked up seeing public officials earning more than them we are stuck with corrupt assholes instead of competent people. And in the case of police, maybe just assholes.

Being a cop isn't dangerous at all, really, in the grand scheme of things. You're more likely to end up with a permanent injury from construction than the rarity of getting gunned down by a perp.

Can we please get some fucking cameras on all these damn cops immediately?

This pig damn near got away with murder because somebody didn't happen to be there to film his behavior. I am positive that happens all the time.

You guys are missing my point entirely. I'm not talking about the risk of getting killed (and yes it's far less than construction). I'm talking about repeatedly exposing yourself to situations with nothing but downsides for yourself. At least with construction or logging you are largely responsible for your own safety. You have some control over your own fate.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2013/officers-assaulted/assaults_topic_page_-2013

I don't know a single person who has been injured in an assault at work, do you? A 3% chance of being injured in an assault while at work for $52k a year sounds pretty crappy to me.

Viper GTS

 

[BoberFett]

I think we had this argument a while back, but lets say electrician lineman have an extremely difficult job and statistically very prone to injury/death...but they pretty much know exactly what they are doing and it is a very controlled environment. I'm pretty sure, if you asked a lineman if he would rather fix a detached high power line or respond to a domestic assault where someone was stabbed with a knife, he would rather work on the power line.

The danger is apples/oranges.

When statistics don't back up your argument, just make shit up and claim they can't be compared, eh?

 

[soundforbjt]

I don't know a single person who has been injured in an assault at work, do you? A 3% chance of being injured in an assault while at work for $52k a year sounds pretty crappy to me.

Viper GTS

Bouncer, security guards, etc. and they earn less than cops.

 

[BoberFett]

I don't know a single person who has been injured in an assault at work, do you? A 3% chance of being injured in an assault while at work for $52k a year sounds pretty crappy to me.

Viper GTS

Why is being injured in an assault worse than being injured in a roofing accident?

 

[Ns1]

Why is being injured in an assault worse than being injured in a roofing accident?

because one is just fucked up the other is a workplace hazard that makes you eligible for workers comp.

 

[Viper GTS]

Why is being injured in an assault worse than being injured in a roofing accident?

Because if you fell off a roof you probably did something stupid. Or if it was someone else being stupid it was probably just that and not malicious.

I excluded the accidents and felonious killings from that statistic, a LEO being injured in a traffic accident is probably a closer analogy to being injured in construction.

Viper GTS

 

[JSt0rm]

The direct parallel to a cop is a firefighter. Why is it a firefighter will risk their lives for us but a cop wont? What is the difference between the 2 positions? I bet being a firefighter is riskier then being a cop. If a cop finds a active shooter they will let that active shooter continue. If a firefighter finds a fire they rush in to help. I remember a video where a entire brick side of a building came down and those firefighters first reaction was to rush INTO the building. We train our cops to think of themselves FIRST and then we give them all this respect for it. Fuck that.

 

[Darwin333]

The video is pretty damning evidence and he'll hopefully be seeing serious prison time. But is GoFundMe saying the guy doesn't deserve a defense in court?

He can get a public defender just like anyone else who shot someone multiple times in the back and then allegedly planted evidence on him.

How many times has he said "You have a right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you".

It's his turn now and GoFundMe has said no such thing, it appears that they don't want to be associated with helping fund an attorney for a cowardly murderer. If it was my company/organization I wouldn't want to be associated with him either.

 

[Ns1]

The direct parallel to a cop is a firefighter. Why is it a firefighter will risk their lives for us but a cop wont?

not sure if srs. you ever see dashcam videos of cops getting blasted for pulling people over? and let's not forget, you know, things like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout#The_shootout

 

[BoberFett]

He can get a public defender just like anyone else who shot someone multiple times in the back and then allegedly planted evidence on him.

How many times has he said "You have a right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you".

It's his turn now and GoFundMe has said no such thing, it appears that they don't want to be associated with helping fund an attorney for a cowardly murderer. If it was my company/organization I wouldn't want to be associated with him either.

That's certainly their right. I just think it's shitty.

 

[BoberFett]

not sure if srs. you ever see dashcam videos of cops getting blasted for pulling people over? and let's not forget, you know, things like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout#The_shootout

I love the way one single incident is used as a reason for anything and everything cops do to abuse citizens.

Why do cops need assault rifles? NORTH HOLLYWOOD!!!

Why do cops need tanks? NORTH HOLLYWOOD!!!

What a joke. If we're going to base all future needs on a single incident, then this incident proves that citizens should all shoot first anytime they encounter a cop, otherwise the citizen is just going to get shot in the back anyway.

 

[Ns1]

I love the way one single incident is used as a reason for anything and everything cops do to abuse citizens.

Why do cops need assault rifles? NORTH HOLLYWOOD!!!

Why do cops need tanks? NORTH HOLLYWOOD!!!

What a joke. If we're going to base all future needs on a single incident, then this incident proves that citizens should all shoot first anytime they encounter a cop, otherwise the citizen is just going to get shot in the back anyway.

uh...it wasn't meant to be a fully exhaustive list. You can peruse youtube for many dashcam videos of cops getting blasted for no reason.

I'm only replying to this comment, so I don't understand the rest of your tirade.

Why is it a firefighter will risk their lives for us but a cop wont?

 

[Subyman]

just regular cops

Patrol cops or high ranking guys that push papers? If you are paying your patrol cops 100k, then wth.