Cop beats man with Flashlight in 2009 - gets probation this week

GarfieldtheCat

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http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...-caught-video-receives-misdemeanor-probation/

Yup, just another isolated bad apple. Dude beat the shit out of a man with his flashlight, so bad the victim was in a coma for 2days. And gets off with probation, his pension, and his city has indemnified him against all civil lawsuits so he doesn't have to pay a dime.

Who said crime didn't pay? Obviously whoever said that never realized that it does for cops.

Once again DA, cops, justice system are all in bed together, protecting each other.
 
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nickqt

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http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...-caught-video-receives-misdemeanor-probation/

Yup, just another isolated bad apple. Dude beat the shit out of a man with his flashlight, so bad the victim was in a coma for 2days. And gets off with probation, his pension, and his city has indemnified him against all civil lawsuits so he doesn't have to pay a dime.

Who said crime didn't pay? Obviously whoever said that never realized that it does for cops.

Once again DA, cops, justice system are all in bed together, protecting each other.
The concept of a "bad apple" is that there are bad apples, among many, many good apples.

That these stories aren't more common means that, in fact, most of these cops are "bad apples". That the bad apples are armed and have protection from the system by the system is an issue, but not every cop is a criminal looking to beat your face in.

Ever been assaulted by a police officer? I haven't. I've dealt with a-hole cops, just like I've dealt with a-hole parking attendants.
 

JEDIYoda

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The concept of a "bad apple" is that there are bad apples, among many, many good apples.

That these stories aren't more common means that, in fact, most of these cops are "bad apples". That the bad apples are armed and have protection from the system by the system is an issue, but not every cop is a criminal looking to beat your face in.

Ever been assaulted by a police officer? I haven't. I've dealt with a-hole cops, just like I've dealt with a-hole parking attendants.

Actually it does not have to be a concept!
It is a saying that is referring to all cops or a majority of cops being bad!

Your concept of ,ore good cops than bad is basically wrong!
Why?
Because just because a cop sits there and watches another cop beat the crap out of somebody does not mean that cop is a good cop who does not do....

It has come to a point in this country where something needs to be done! Police departments across America have the same issues.

Then to try to be cool you ask the question -- ever been assaulted by a Police officer as if that is suppose to prove something! All it proves is that you do not believe there is a problem across this country!


To address the one bad apple thing using science -- We have all heard the old saying, "One bad apple spoils the whole bunch." Due to the production of the plant hormone ethylene during the ripening process, this saying proves true!
 

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You know When they say a bad apple spoils the bunch?

Every time anyone involved in law enforcement covers for one who does something like this it makes them a bad apple.

Spoiling the bunch.
 

nickqt

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Actually it does not have to be a concept!
It is a saying that is referring to all cops or a majority of cops being bad!
Well, let's be real clear here. It's an analogy, thus a concept. Saying "bad apple" implies that the proportion of bad things are smaller than the proportion of not-bad things.

Your concept of ,ore good cops than bad is basically wrong!
Why?
Because just because a cop sits there and watches another cop beat the crap out of somebody does not mean that cop is a good cop who does not do....

Well, again, just because one cop is bad and one is bad through inaction doesn't mean the majority of cops are bad. There might have been 20 cops who would have stepped up and stopped something from happening, but there weren't 20 cops there. There was a bad cop, and a bad cop through inaction. No evidence/proof that a majority of cops are bad.

It has come to a point in this country where something needs to be done! Police departments across America have the same issues.

Then to try to be cool you ask the question -- ever been assaulted by a Police officer as if that is suppose to prove something! All it proves is that you do not believe there is a problem across this country!

First off, I don't disagree that there are bad cops, and that they shouldn't be shielded from the law by prosecutors who are a part of the system and protect bad cops because they, too, are a part of the system.

But, that argument doesn't require the assumption that a majority of cops are bad.

Additionally, if a majority of cops were bad, then you would expect to see, uh, a lot more stories like this. You would expect that a lot more people would be getting assaulted by cops like the reference story we're discussing, if the majority of cops are like this.

Yet, we don't see these stories in the hundreds of thousands, and yet cops interact in the hundreds of millions with the public each year. Which tends to support the idea that most cops are not bad...otherwise more people would be getting assaulted.


To address the one bad apple thing using science -- We have all heard the old saying, "One bad apple spoils the whole bunch." Due to the production of the plant hormone ethylene during the ripening process, this saying proves true!
Nothing in that quote is science or applicable/relevant to the discussion at hand. One bad cop doesn't make all cops bad. And ethylene is literally neither here nor there for this discussion. You'd be better off leaving that out.
 

mizzou

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you guys sound just like the racists who use every news story to justify the whole black race as inferior....unbelievable
 

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Nothing in that quote is science or applicable/relevant to the discussion at hand. One bad cop doesn't make all cops bad. And ethylene is literally neither here nor there for this discussion. You'd be better off leaving that out.

spin this anyway you want...there is a problem!!
 

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oops,I misread;thought it said "fleshlight"
Not to diminish the victims injuries..
That's messed up..lucky I'm not a family member of his.
I'd be waiting for that cop..
He wouldn't make it very far out of his door.
There's no excuse for doing that to somebody..
well..unless they're a rapist or something.
I say that because i recall a certain LEO telling me how he gave a rapist some "wall therapy" and I thought "You know what? He deserved it"
and he did.sick people are sick.
If this guy was not that depraved..he didn't deserve it.
 
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ch33zw1z

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oops,I misread;thought it said "fleshlight"
Not to diminish the victims injuries..
That's messed up..lucky I'm not a family member of his.
I'd be waiting for that cop..
He wouldn't make it very far out of his door.
There's no excuse for doing that to somebody..
well..unless they're a rapist or something.
I say that because i recall a certain LEO telling me how he gave a rapist some "wall therapy" and I thought "You know what? He deserved it"
and he did.sick people are sick.
If this guy was not that depraved..he didn't deserve it.

So turning the other cheek, forgiveness, etc...not applicable?
 

nickqt

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Oh hi, nick. I see you're new around here....
Depends on who you ask. I've been accused of being a previously banned user and a secondary account. Because if you don't have 10,000+ posts, it's impossible to newly come here and make an account. Also, Benghazi.

Unless good cops start standing up to bad cops they're all corrupt.

Its not supposed to a craps shoot when it comes to finding a good one.
Perhaps good cops do stand up to bad cops, but it just doesn't make the nightly news all that much.
 

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Depends on who you ask. I've been accused of being a previously banned user and a secondary account. Because if you don't have 10,000+ posts, it's impossible to newly come here and make an account. Also, Benghazi..

I meant to say, you'll soon find that nothing gets the 3.5" floppies of this forum harder faster than a good down home CopHateCircleJerkExtraordinaire™
Why, if you don't personally know of a cop who has raped your grandmother, shot a toddler, eaten the hearts of the elderly, or sacrificed a few virgins, ur a LIAR or you're not telling the truth!!!! OR BOTH!!
Just mind the floors. They get kind of sticky...
 

nickqt

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I meant to say, you'll soon find that nothing gets the 3.5" floppies of this forum harder faster than a good down home CopHateCircleJerkExtraordinaire™
Why, if you don't personally know of a cop who has raped your grandmother, shot a toddler, eaten the hearts of the elderly, or sacrificed a few virgins, ur a LIAR or you're not telling the truth!!!! OR BOTH!!
Just mind the floors. They get kind of sticky...

Oh, yeah, every forum I've ever been involved in is like that. The funny thing is that I recognize that there are plenty of bad cops out there. I also recognize that the system that cops are a part of will also protect them (the prosecutor) simply because they are members ostensibly on the same side.

But, I won't paint every cop as bad because of the few who are and get attention for it. Just like I won't insist that we need to come up with a...solution...for the Muslims who are all inherently evil and ready to enact sharia law in my town.

I enjoy discussing things with other people, and I'm generally reasonable and respectful. Y'all has some ultra-obnoxious hypocrites on here though. Like, people who cry and complain that I'm a meanie-head for using snark when their first response to me is screaming, cursing, and wild accusations. Not that ultra-obnoxious people are anything new. Just funny. I love holding up mirrors to them. Makes me smile.
 

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Its a shame such strong hatred is being directed at things people have no clue works. Most people posting here arent criminals or cops or criminal attorneys....yet somehow we have a few experts here able to give broad sweeping hatred based on editorials from conspiracy theory websites.

im always open to the truth...i understand i dont know everything.

these circle jerk hate posts have nothing to do with real news or reality, its to continue spinning a cycle so you have a bogeyman to hate.
 

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6 bad cops means most cops are bad, or those 6 are?

There is no general definition of what "bad" is. It's undeniable that the majority of cops will not report another cop even for quite egregious breaches of the law, which makes them complicit. There is a reason why virtually all complaints of police brutality or abuse of power are initiated by victims and not fellow officers.
 

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Government give them glocks - they kill people with glocks.
Government give them tazers - they kill people with tazers.
Government give them flashlights...
The problem that most of the cops are just brutal idiots and they like to hurt people!
 

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Its a shame such strong hatred is being directed at things people have no clue works. Most people posting here arent criminals or cops or criminal attorneys....yet somehow we have a few experts here able to give broad sweeping hatred based on editorials from conspiracy theory websites.

im always open to the truth...i understand i dont know everything.

these circle jerk hate posts have nothing to do with real news or reality, its to continue spinning a cycle so you have a bogeyman to hate.

Wow, just wow. So video of the cop besting the guy into a coma isn't reality????? Really?

Not sure why you think I have to be either a cop or criminal law expert to know that treating someone is illegal and wrong.

You are open to the truth you say. So the truth it is another cop beating a man, and several cops that didn't do anything to stop him, or even report hin. Which makes them all bad.


Unless you have evidence that says otherwise? Care to put up or admit you are trolling?
 

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Now I don't want to argue that he doesn't have the right to a fair trial because he most absolutely does but I find it rather convieniant that the very office he works so closely with his entire career fucked up the trial in the closing arguments of all things.

Another item for discussion, lets flip this around and say a guy beats the fuck out of a non-handcuffed cop and puts him in a coma. Does anyone here think that guy gets off with probation??? That's not even getting into the indemnification and the fucking severance pay (seriously WTF) and pension. The cop got the holy trifecta after beating a handcuffed man nearly to death. Takes a real fucking coward to do shit like that.

Take note at how the "good cops" tackled, tased and/or shot the "one bad apple" the same as they would had the guy taken a swing at one of them. Anyone here think he would have been convicted had it not been for flat out luck that they were in view of a rather expensive surveillance system considering how many credible eyewitnesses (cops) that were present?
 

Darwin333

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The concept of a "bad apple" is that there are bad apples, among many, many good apples.

That these stories aren't more common means that, in fact, most of these cops are "bad apples". That the bad apples are armed and have protection from the system by the system is an issue, but not every cop is a criminal looking to beat your face in.

Ever been assaulted by a police officer? I haven't. I've dealt with a-hole cops, just like I've dealt with a-hole parking attendants.

One question:

Do you think the cop would have been charged and convicted had he not been caught on tape? Yes or no.