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DrDoug

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Not as culpable, but culpable. I think the majority if cops are willing to look the other way when they see police abuse of power.

exhibit a: percentage of police found to have violated civil rights and the primary evidence against them was from another cop at the scene vs some other source. The simple fact is even the so called good cops are too weak themselves to call out their co workers on abusive behavior.

I have personally never been mistreated by a cop. However I am very sure that if I were his partner would NOT side with me on the matter.

I disagree. I believe that if they are aware of an abusive officer and do nothing about it, they are guilty of enabling that abusive behavior. They are allowing that officer to break the laws that they swore to enforce.

Their job is to protect and serve the PUBLIC, not each other.
 

Pipeline 1010

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Don't even bother addressing ZJ as an adult, he's not one.

Our Cops around here are great. The only corruption I've heard of is a cop who ordered a guy to the ground just because he was open carrying.No beating,no trying to hide evidence, just made him get down in the snow fir a minute. The cops released the video right away and you could tell the cop just needed training. After that the mayor talked openly about it at city meetings. Nothing close has happened since.

That doesn't even sound like corruption. It sounds like a mistake and the problem was taken care of.
 

ivwshane

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I'm going to defend "good cops" in this thread. While I agree that a cop who let's bad cops get away with corrupt behavior, is themselves a bad cop, I'll point out that they don't have a lot of options.

Who and how can a good cop report a bad cop? Will the bad cop retaliate? Will other bad cops retaliate? Is there a possibility of the bad cop finding out who reported him? What if the corruption goes through leadership? Could he lose his job? Will a bad cop have the back of a good cop who reported on another bad cop?

It's a very difficult position to be in and I don't think anyone can really imagine what it would be like to be put in that situation.

The question is, how do we fix it?
 

cubby1223

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hahahahaaaa its idiots who actually believe that these things are isolated that are the problem with fixing the problem...

In a past thread I've run the numbers. It's staggering. It's too late tonight for me to care to search the exact numbers (believe it was ~700k), and not that anyone really cares.

If you find a new sworn law enforcement officer to be outraged by every single day of the year, by the end of the year you have been outraged at a grand total of 0.05% of officers. Also meaning there are 99.95% of officers who did not piss you off.

If you find outrage in 10 new officers every single day for a full year, at the end of the year you have 99.5% of officers who did not piss you off.

If 100 sworn U.S. officers piss you off every single day for a full year, that still means 95% you have no problem with.
 

AllanMoore

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Police in the US is becoming brutal and violent! That is sad!!

violentamericanpolice.jpg
 

Triumph

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Blanky

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I'm going to defend "good cops" in this thread. While I agree that a cop who let's bad cops get away with corrupt behavior, is themselves a bad cop, I'll point out that they don't have a lot of options.

Who and how can a good cop report a bad cop? Will the bad cop retaliate? Will other bad cops retaliate? Is there a possibility of the bad cop finding out who reported him? What if the corruption goes through leadership? Could he lose his job? Will a bad cop have the back of a good cop who reported on another bad cop?

It's a very difficult position to be in and I don't think anyone can really imagine what it would be like to be put in that situation.

The question is, how do we fix it?
As much as I hate to invoke Godwin's law, you've basically just excused a gas chamber operator. The same psychology happens here and of course it takes a strong individual to out his co-worker as a piece of shit, and face the distrust of him and the other co-workers who also are probably pieces of shit.

This is why I think the "good cops" who don't report this stuff are simply lacking in courage. They know what the right thing to do is but don't want to take the heat. That is because the "police brotherhood" we hear about is extremely injurious.
 

Blanky

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Not really.

First he breaks up a fight by pushing a guy to the ground. That's fine.

Then he gets off the guy and tells him to get up? And hits him like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mCzlrKrwsg&t=0m56s

Really, I've hit my brother harder than that with a stick.

How does that compare to a real police baton beating that people justifiably got angry about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1ZDIXiuS4&t=0m15s

Are the two even remotely comparable?
Why don't I come and whack your lower leg with a baton. Bone covered in little flesh adores being hit by steel bars.

Is there a rule that says a person is only beaten by police if it's comparable to Rodney King? I wasn't aware of that.
 

ivwshane

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As much as I hate to invoke Godwin's law, you've basically just excused a gas chamber operator. The same psychology happens here and of course it takes a strong individual to out his co-worker as a piece of shit, and face the distrust of him and the other co-workers who also are probably pieces of shit.

This is why I think the "good cops" who don't report this stuff are simply lacking in courage. They know what the right thing to do is but don't want to take the heat. That is because the "police brotherhood" we hear about is extremely injurious.

I didn't excuse anyone. I just said the same thing you did in a different way.
 

Pipeline 1010

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Who and how can a good cop report a bad cop?

To management. Via complaint.

Will the bad cop retaliate? Will other bad cops retaliate? Is there a possibility of the bad cop finding out who reported him?

If the department is full of good cops, how would the bad cop even dare to retaliate? Your questions are only problems if one assumes the bad cops outnumber/outpower the good cops. Which is the argument many here are making. Are you unwittingly agreeing with them?

What if the corruption goes through leadership? Could he lose his job?

If your leadership is bad, you don't just "suck it up" and let bad cops get away with bad shit. AT MINIMUM you go work for a different department that isn't led by bad cops.

Will a bad cop have the back of a good cop who reported on another bad cop?

An even better question: will even a GOOD cop have the back of a good cop who reported another bad cop? Probably not. Blue wall stands tall. Snitches get stitches.

It's a very difficult position to be in and I don't think anyone can really imagine what it would be like to be put in that situation.

Grow a pair.

The question is, how do we fix it?

Certainly not by writing it off as a difficult position to be in and espousing vague platitudes about how nobody can really imagine what it's like to be in that situation.
 

ivwshane

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Ok! Wow the solution is so simple! And when there isn't a solution you just dismiss it and go work somewhere else! It's that easy folks.


Back in the real world...

To management. Via complaint.



If the department is full of good cops, how would the bad cop even dare to retaliate? Your questions are only problems if one assumes the bad cops outnumber/outpower the good cops. Which is the argument many here are making. Are you unwittingly agreeing with them?



If your leadership is bad, you don't just "suck it up" and let bad cops get away with bad shit. AT MINIMUM you go work for a different department that isn't led by bad cops.



An even better question: will even a GOOD cop have the back of a good cop who reported another bad cop? Probably not. Blue wall stands tall. Snitches get stitches.



Grow a pair.



Certainly not by writing it off as a difficult position to be in and espousing vague platitudes about how nobody can really imagine what it's like to be in that situation.
 

Pipeline 1010

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Ok! Wow the solution is so simple! And when there isn't a solution you just dismiss it and go work somewhere else! It's that easy folks.


Back in the real world...

Do you want to go into any detail about any specific ideas that you think are over simplistic?

As for cases when there is no solution, if it was me, I'd would get out. I've done it before. Otherwise I'm just supporting the corruption. Why do you consider this NOT a real world type option? When there is no solution, what is your strategy?
 

TheSlamma

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this is why we should implement harsher punishments up to death against some of these police brutality cases. If we hold our kids to a stupid zero tolerance policy in schools, then why the fuck don't officers have the same policy. We shouldn't have cops investigating other cops as thats just fucking stupid. Of the different brutality threads we have here, this is a minor one, although it would have been interesting how far it would have gone had he not known about the camera.

Well after lol'ing at the urban dictionary thread a word that has faded from current day vocabulary is 'accountability' and no one wants that anymore. It's about the shoot from the hip free ride baby. Look at the way we hire management in gov and private sector, zero skill talking heads with bright 'ideas' they talk about and have no idea how to implement. And we wonder why we have failing quality, costumer service, ethics, accountability and nothing ever getting done anymore.
 

bradley

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When it comes to police abuse/brutality (or the militarization of police) one needs to correctly and fairly pick their battles. This isn't the case, or certainly not egregious enough.

I can think of hundreds of police needing disciplinary action (and worse justice) other than this officer.
 

Pipeline 1010

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When it comes to police abuse/brutality (or the militarization of police) one needs to correctly and fairly pick their battles. This isn't the case, or certainly not egregious enough.

I can think of hundreds of police needing disciplinary action (and worse justice) other than this officer.

If it's brutality, it's brutality. They're not allowed to get away with it because it's "just a little" brutality. I'm not allowed to be just a little bit brutal to someone at my work.

And they don't get to get away with it just because we can come up with worse examples. Now, if it's not brutality in the first place, I can agree with you...don't cry wolf. In this case, even the cops apparently thought it was bad enough that they stopped right away when the camera was discovered.
 

JEDIYoda

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In a past thread I've run the numbers. It's staggering. It's too late tonight for me to care to search the exact numbers (believe it was ~700k), and not that anyone really cares.

If you find a new sworn law enforcement officer to be outraged by every single day of the year, by the end of the year you have been outraged at a grand total of 0.05% of officers. Also meaning there are 99.95% of officers who did not piss you off.

If you find outrage in 10 new officers every single day for a full year, at the end of the year you have 99.5% of officers who did not piss you off.

If 100 sworn U.S. officers piss you off every single day for a full year, that still means 95% you have no problem with.
you are so nieve...
 

Orignal Earl

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Yea. I fear walking to the store anymore.

My nerves are shot, and I'm scared I could be next. Maybe I should apply for SSI.

:(

Can you imagine there is a whole world out there in which people go on day to day without ever even thinking of being attacked by cops or thugs.
Maybe it's time for you to take a vacation away from it all and visit some of these places
 

Triumph

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This Buffalo, NY altercation doesn't even crack the top 10, much less the top 1000 of most heinous examples of police misconduct caught on film.

Top 10: Worst Police Beatings Caught on Tape
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWbNXu9xgvA


The below snuff film is number one with six bullets, from March 2014 in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Video: APD releases HelmetCam footage of shooting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DngOL6LokN4

my point exactly.

it's like the whole ferguson thing. they couldn't have picked a worse thug to rally around for their cause. couldn't they have found a young handsome INNOCENT black kid killed by the cops to use as their martyr? i'm sure there are plenty to be found.
 

Mai72

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Can you imagine there is a whole world out there in which people go on day to day without ever even thinking of being attacked by cops or thugs.
Maybe it's time for you to take a vacation away from it all and visit some of these places
It's happening more frequently now. The police beatings and shootings. It could happen to us.

:(
 

AllanMoore

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Not a day goes by without news of another case of police brutality or the abuse of power by officers, which begs the question: is this the new norm? There was a time when it was not so common to hear about abuse by the police, let alone see actual footage of the abuse taking place. But now in this age of technology, camera phones, video cameras and even squad car dash cams have made it possible for the general public to have access to the rampant abuse of power by law enforcement.

See the infographics: http://picoolio.net/image/eTl
 

bradley

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my point exactly.

it's like the whole ferguson thing. they couldn't have picked a worse thug to rally around for their cause. couldn't they have found a young handsome INNOCENT black kid killed by the cops to use as their martyr? i'm sure there are plenty to be found.

Yep. Here's a way better recent case of police impropriety and misconduct. A 76 year-old Texas man is tazed over an expired inspection sticker. The police officer needlessly escalates a routine traffic stop and could have potentially killed this elderly gentleman.

Dashcam video: Victoria police officer uses Taser on 76-year-old man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVNwPD7CPR8

‘Goddamned Nazi Stormtrooper’: Texas cop Tasers 76-year-old man with expired inspection
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/...sers-76-year-old-man-with-expired-inspection/

A Texas police officer was placed on administrative leave on Friday after he reportedly used a Taser on a 76-year-old man after the suspect had already been forced to the ground.

The Victoria Advocate reported that 76-year-old Pete Vasquez was driving a work-owned vehicle back to his place of business on Thursday when 23-year-old Officer Nathanial Robinson pulled him over for an expired inspection.

Vasquez said that he explained that the car belonged to a car lot, and that the dealer tags made it exempt from having an inspection.


But dashcam video obtained by the paper shows Robinson using force to arrest Vasquez for what should have been a Class C misdemeanor. In the video, Vasquez pulls his arm away from Robinson, and the officer slams him into the hood of the patrol car. The two men disappear from camera range as Robinson places Vasquez in a hold, and then forces him to the ground.

According to police, Robinson shocked Vasquez with a Taser twice while he was on the ground.

“He just acted like a pit bull, and that was it,” Vasquez recalled. “For a while, I thought he was going to pull his gun and shoot me.”

Vasquez was placed in the patrol car, and then transported to Citizens Medical Center for treatment, where he spent the next two hours in police custody. He was eventually released with out being charged or cited.

Chief J.J. Craig offered a personal apology to Vasquez on Friday.

“Public trust is extremely important to us,” Craig explained. “Sometimes that means you have to take a real hard look at some of the actions that occur within the department.”

“You want to make sure you give the right kind of person a badge and a gun,” he added.

Larry Urich, who works as a sales manager at the car lot, told the Advocate that the officer should be both fired from the force and prosecuted for assault.

“I told the officer, ‘What in the hell are you doing?’ This gentleman is 76 years old,” Urich said. “The cop told me to stand back, but I didn’t shut up. I told him he was a goddamned Nazi Stormtrooper.”

For his part, Vasquez said that he felt like his “rights were violated.”

“The police department is supposed to train their police officers to be more conscientious and use common sense,” he observed. “I don’t think he had any.”

Robinson could be charged with aggravated assault, injury to the elderly and official oppression if the department determines he violated the law.
 
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