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CoolSculpting: A new way to lose fat

Bateluer

Bateluer

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http://www.ktar.com/6/1477732/Scottsdale-doctor-has-a-different-way-to-lose-weight

The FDA-approved procedure uses technology that cools unwanted fat cells in the body to get rid of unwanted bulges without surgery.
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Shapiro said over 150,000 CoolSculpting procedures have been done so far in the U.S. It costs about $1,200 and there are no known side effects. He said it isn't covered by insurance because it's considered experimental.
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I'll just let H&F tear this apart. 😛
 
I cant believe what people will do to drop some weight. If they werent so lazy, a little exercise will go a long way.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK the FDA does not approve procedures - it only approves equipment. Therefore, at best if this site is legitimate in saying that he is "FDA-approved", that probably means he is just using FDA-approved cryoablative equipment (which is used to remove other pieces of tissue such as malignancies) - it does not say anything about the legitimacy of the actual procedure anyway.

Also, while the fact that insurance doesn't cover it isn't fatal in itself (look at chiropractic, or homeopathy, or acupuncture - insurance coverage is not a guarantee of legitimacy, and no coverage is not a guarantee of woo), it does seem a bit strange.
 
Mr. Pedantic said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK the FDA does not approve procedures - it only approves equipment. Therefore, at best if this site is legitimate in saying that he is "FDA-approved", that probably means he is just using FDA-approved cryoablative equipment (which is used to remove other pieces of tissue such as malignancies) - it does not say anything about the legitimacy of the actual procedure anyway.

Also, while the fact that insurance doesn't cover it isn't fatal in itself (look at chiropractic, or homeopathy, or acupuncture - insurance coverage is not a guarantee of legitimacy, and no coverage is not a guarantee of woo), it does seem a bit strange.
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You had me there until homeopathy. You were sooo close!
 
Schadenfreude said:
You had me there until homeopathy. You were sooo close!
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Quite a few people across the AT forums have a resounding hatred of chiropractic care, homeopathy, and acupuncture. Chiropractors get a lot of hate, but my experience with mine was entirely positive. Wish I could still go, but I couldn't afford it alone and BCBS outsourced to ASH, who were about the biggest bunch of assholes I've dealt with in the medical field since I got out of the military.

Acupuncture has been around for thousands of years, and it'll be around for thousands more years. Must have some effectiveness.
 
Bateluer said:
Quite a few people............................. I got out of the military.
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I feel ya, its hard to see how important free medical is until your out of service. I got honorably discharged under medical reasons for asthma after serving just over 6 years. I really miss that medical more then anything.

Acupuncture has been around for thousands of years, and it'll be around for thousands more years. Must have some effectiveness.
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I think it has more to do with who is really doing it and if your aliments are treatable with acupuncture. Think so many try it hoping to get a wonder-drug effect from it when its more likely to help those with nerve tissue damage or pains that can be bypassed with precise nerve blockage. That and I would trust someone who looked like Mr Miyagi more then some young white guy down the street.
 
Schadenfreude said:
You had me there until homeopathy. You were sooo close!
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If anything, the most 'legitimate' out of the three would have to be chiropractic, because some chiropractors are just physiotherapists. There is no real redeeming quality to homeopathy at all, and the only thing that 'works' about acupuncture is the non-specific benefit that comes from the practitioner-patient interaction.

Bateluer said:
Quite a few people across the AT forums have a resounding hatred of chiropractic care, homeopathy, and acupuncture. Chiropractors get a lot of hate, but my experience with mine was entirely positive. Wish I could still go, but I couldn't afford it alone and BCBS outsourced to ASH, who were about the biggest bunch of assholes I've dealt with in the medical field since I got out of the military.

Acupuncture has been around for thousands of years, and it'll be around for thousands more years. Must have some effectiveness.
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See above.

Oh...and argument from tradition. Go look it up.
 
Mr. Pedantic said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK the FDA does not approve procedures - it only approves equipment. Therefore, at best if this site is legitimate in saying that he is "FDA-approved", that probably means he is just using FDA-approved cryoablative equipment (which is used to remove other pieces of tissue such as malignancies) - it does not say anything about the legitimacy of the actual procedure anyway.

Also, while the fact that insurance doesn't cover it isn't fatal in itself (look at chiropractic, or homeopathy, or acupuncture - insurance coverage is not a guarantee of legitimacy, and no coverage is not a guarantee of woo), it does seem a bit strange.
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Stuff like this that's approved by the FDA usually just means it won't kill or maim you if used properly and doesn't say much for how effective it is.
 
Nothing against chiropractors or acupuncturists - I certainly believe that both has their effective use outside of the placebo effect - but homeopathy? Seriously?
 
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Schadenfreude said:
Nothing against chiropractors or acupuncturists - I certainly believe that both has their effective use outside of the placebo effect - but homeopathy? Seriously?
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Acupuncture findings generally depend on who's doing the research--western researchers tend to find null results, while eastern/Asian researchers tend to find significant results. Yay, science.

I think Mr. Pedantic's point was that homeopathy isn't really a valid healthcare option, though.
 
A review of all major reviews of acupuncture studies concluded this year that there's no statistically significant effect at reducing pain, which was the only area where a few studies had previously showed a greater than placebo effect. Remember that 1 in 20 findings regarding a useless treatment with 95% statistical significance will turn out to be a false positive.

The longevity of a tradition doesn't imply anything about its value.
 
Placebo or not, but I always feel better coming out of my chiropractor's office.

Maybe it's a glorified back massage, but it works for me.
 
TechBoyJK said:
Placebo or not, but I always feel better coming out of my chiropractor's office.

Maybe it's a glorified back massage, but it works for me.
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Nobody says you shouldn't feel better; you should. But the feeling better is most likely due to the way you are treated at the chiropractor's, rather than any actual chiropracting that happens to you.
 
Exodist said:
I feel ya, its hard to see how important free medical is until your out of service. I got honorably discharged under medical reasons for asthma after serving just over 6 years. I really miss that medical more then anything.
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My point was that military health care is a joke. And I haven't even gotten in my collection of dental stories from those idiots.
 
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