Cooling issue on P4?

[DocDooDaa]

Hello all.

Before anyone decides to flame me for my processor choice, let it be known that I have what I have and no one is going to change my mind.

I recently built a P4 1.5GHz rig and am having trouble with cooling issues.

So far, I have been unable to use the system. I have completely disassembled the system and narrowed it down to either the processor or the heatsink.

I have a Global Win HS with a Delta 60mm high speed fan attached on an ASUS P4T mobo.

The problem:

When booted, I can get into the Bios and hardware monitor for about a minute or so before the CPU hardlocks at 69degrees C. I have actually gotten into windows one time before it hard locked.
I have even tried letting everything sit overnight and cool before powering on- Even then, booting into bios hardware monitor give me a temp of 68.5 degrees C after just a 3 second boot and the default 1500mHz.

I have reseated the HS several times and even changed out the clips... as well as bending the clips to make them latch tighter. I have changed out the thermal compound, used a little, used a lot etc. but to no avail. The HS makes good, flat contact with the die.

The processor was an OEM and I know the Global Win is not prime for a HS but it was only going to be a short lived alternative until the Alphas arrive... I don't want to go the $250 water/TEC cooling route just to overclock a little.


Anyone have any ideas on what can be done to remedy this situation?

The reseller has offered to retest the CPU and replace if faulty but I don't want to send it back and wait another 2 to 3 weeks before I get my system going if their is an easier solution.


Thanks in advance.

 

[mHubs]

Is the HS made for P4 or not?
If not, then that is prolly your problem..
If it is.. well, I dunno

 

[Mikewarrior2]

which globalwin heatsink?

I think 2cooltek and millisec have some P4-globalwin's now...


Mike

 

[DocDooDaa]

not to sound ungrateful but of course it is for the P4

 

[DocDooDaa]

I got the HS from CoolerGuys...

 

[frustrated2]

Well I am typing this to you on an overclocked p4 using a $9 heatsink to cool it. I don't think that cooling is the problem. The 1st revision bios of the p4t had a problem reporting temperatures correctly they have since fixed it in the update. You say that you can't even get yours to boot up?? Sounds like something is defective to me my whole system was setup in a couple of hours

 

[DocDooDaa]

I am thinking you are probably right.
The mobo is reporting 69C but the processor doesn't even burn a finger.

I have stripped the contraption down to just the Asus 6800 GeForce card(which I kept awaiting the NV20), the processor, the ram and the heatsink... and still have problems.

I am starting to lean more toward a videocard/mobo/bios issue.

Anyway, I should have posted my specs earlier... I think this covers it all (computers are my hobby and I am a geek )


P4 1500mHz (looks prettier than 1.5GHz)
Asus P4T Mobo
512 meg Samsung PC800
Asus V6800 GeForce (held out waiting for NV20)
Realmagic Hollywood Plus Decoder
Adaptec 29160 SCSI card
Realtek NIC
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz
40gig Maxtor (for sale)
36gig IBM 10k ultra160
73.4gig Quantum Atlas 10k2 ultra 160
Antec 1040x case
4 Sunon 80mm HO fans
GlobalWin P4 cooler with 60mm HO replacement fan
Toshiba 32x SCSI CD-rom (for sale)
HP 9200i SCSI CDRW (for sale)
Creative DVD-Ram SCSI (for sale)
1 3.5" floppy
19" Sony, 21" Optiquest

 

[frustrated2]

Nice rig, now lets get that rig running for you.

It won't run with the bare essentials??
Do you have another video card?? anythink will work (I don't think this is but you never know)

What do you have for a powersupply??

 

[frustrated2]

Looks like you have an antec 403 for a ps as I read further.

 

[frustrated2]

Can you get to the bios?? You must since you know tempuratures right?? I am wondering if you have to set your scsi hdds as a boot device.

 

[frustrated2]

Do you have instant messenger?? it would be easier than this. I could get NOS440 in there as well to get this thing runnin.

 

[DocDooDaa]

unfortuantely, I am typing from work behind several firewalls and it doesn't allow IM or any other program.

I have actually been in windows so I don't think the HDs are a problem.

(I had a previous install from the computer I just parted out to put this thing together.)

It detected all new devices etc....

It actually works as it should ... just locks up between 5 to 100 secs after booting.
All completely random. It is never at a specific time.

Someone has informed me that 1003 bios from Asus fixes the temp readout in the hardware monitor.

I have a PCI card I am gonna try to boot with tonight and flash the bios... if I can keep it stable. Not gonna take any chances though.

 

[DocDooDaa]

Yes, you are correct. It is the Antec 403 PS in the case.

 

[frustrated2]

What windows version?? You should really format that hdd and give it a fresh install to start with.

 

[frustrated2]

Did you clear the device manager completely out on the old install of windows??

 

[Def]

I tried changing my MoBo to an Asus CUSL2 with a previous Windows install. It would lock about 5-10 seconds into building a driver device database. Sounds kinda similar to your problem. A reformat and reinstall fixed all problems.

Try to do a fresh reformat and see what that does.

Hope that helps.

 

[DocDooDaa]

It hasn't anything to do with Hard drives, windows, device database or anything.
It will hang just sitting idle in the bios screen--- before it even gets into the "meat" of booting.


A kind soul- and you know who you are- pointed me toward the fact that the 1002 bios on the Asus board reports the wrong temp.

I actually was able to get the board to boot into Dos long enough to flash the bios to 1003 and now the temp readout is correct. It reports 39 degrees C which is about what I would expect for a lower-end heatsink.

Upon further investigation, I still have problems.

I have tried both PCI and AGP cards. I have tried different combinations of RIMMS- even did a long post where the memory was checked continuously without any errors.

The motherboard temperature reading is only a couple of degrees over room temp so I don't think it is the mobo having heat probs. (The northbridge does have a heatsink on it that isn't exactly centered but it is on well enough that I doubt very seriously that could be a problem.)

I am at a complete loss. I have been building systems for 15 years and have never had this much problem with a system before. In the past it either worked or it didn't. If it didn't work then tracking down the problem was easy.....

Now...... well, I just barely have any hair left.
I have spent my entire savings account to build this technological glory only to have it poop in my face.

(Before any comments are made, I have had just as many problems with AMD systems in the past as I have had with Intel systems.)

It is at the point where I am about to ship both the mobo and CPU back to the respective resellers and say "I want another please!"

I have had some good suggestions but any further thoughts before I rake out more on shipping and wait another 2-3 weeks to get this thing going?

I have got mid-terms and term-papers coming up and I refuse to use the computer at the library--- that 386 piece of junk.

 

[Flat]

how much for that maxtor, and what speed is it?