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[hellokeith]

So back in November I started playing free online poker. Prior to that, I was an avid fan of the various popular poker tv shows and did some light research on Texas Hold'em, pot-limit vs no-limit, etc.

At one site, I started with 10,000 virtual dollars, and within a month had that up to 100,000.. was feeling pretty good with my play. This was done with a combination of pot-limit hold'em and no-limit hold'em.

In early January, that 100,000 went up to 400,000. I was ecstatic as you can imagine, and I began to contemplate heading over to Louisiana to take part in a real-life tournament.

Oh how the mighty have fallen..

I went all-in with a pair Kings, and the nimrod who called with Jack Nine got a pair of Nines on the turn and river. 300,000 lost to a very bad beat.

No end in sight..

Since then I've lost 80,000 in 3 weeks, and I am creeping back down to the original 10,000 I had when I began.

Hellokeith's Murphy's Laws of Poker

1. all-in on a pair of Aces will undoubtly be beat with 2 pair by the numnuts who called the all-in with Eight Deuce off suit before the flop
2. 2 pair Ace's & Kings all-in on the flop will be beat by a flush, made on the river, with the winner holding only one of the flush cards (community cards make 4 suited)
3. pair of Aces, Kings, Queens, and Jacks will be dealt to at least two of your opponents every hand, and you will get them maybe once every 100 hands
4. the one time you get those Kings, Queens, or Jacks you will be beat by the higher pair
5. calling bets significantly higher than you know you should will result in the next player after you immediately going all-in
6. all your bluffs will be called
7. you will call bluffs and be inevitably beat on river by 1:10 chance card
8. newcomer to your table will go all-in with a pair of Fives, be called by everyone but you, and win with that pair of Fives when you had a pair of Eights; he will then bet 1,000 on every hand, and win pretty much every hand by drawing out
9. the one time you get a good pair, with no over-cards in the flop, everyone will immediately fold to your meager bet
10. losing virtual money in online poker will actually bother you enough to spend 30 minutes at work ranting about it

Anyways, any online or real-life poker pro's have some advice to a novice about a really bad losing streak?

I've varied my play, varied my betting, played tight, played loose.. nothing seems to work.

 

[newb111]

It's play money. Who cares?

 

[interchange]

virtual poker != poker for real money

You will ruin your game by playing for fake money, if you care at all.

 

[NuclearNed]

Seriously - in most circumstances who goes all in on a pair of anything?

 

[randay]

LOL! for your own good, stay the hell away from vegas.

 

[goog40]

Originally posted by: hellokeith

10. losing virtual money in online poker will actually bother you enough to spend 30 minutes at work ranting about it

If it really bothers you that much to lose play money, I would advise you not to play for real money. If you really want to play for money, you should do some reading (Theory of Poker, Super System, etc.). And remember, just because you read some books, that doesn't make you a pro or even halfway decent. There's no substitute for experience.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Online fake money games are easy, you say you tried playing tight, guess what you have to play tighter then you would imagine. I play off and on at Poker Stars for fun and usually dont have a problem winning over time.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Seriously - in most circumstances who goes all in on a pair of anything?

heads up with k k I would at least think about pushing all in. Pushing all in pre flop is never a great idea unless you can read people like a book. And even then, idiots always seem to be able to suck out and catch runner runner to beat you. And no doubt when you push all in with a great pair you'll get called by the person who thinks Queen three off suit is a monster hand because of the face card.

I play tournies with friends, one time I played strictly by what Daniel Negreanu said in one of his book, and ended up getting beat pretty bad lol. bad beat example (that night)

I had 9 9
flop was 8 8 9

WOOO HOO nut full house on the flop, great first hand of the night! Playing with idiots and noobs, I decide to push all in to show I'm a bully. This chick who still needed the index "how to" card to know what hands were what called. I turn my hand over happy, she turns her over and of course had pocket 8's. the icing on the cake was her asking "did I win?" ARRRGH!

 

[GagHalfrunt]

If you're playing fake poker of course you're going to get bad beats, the other kiddies with their play money will call anything. If you're playing real poker you can expect them to fold more often.

There is no such game as poker for play money. If you're not gambling for real so that there's a consequence for losing you're just playing Old Maid and pretending that it's poker.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Seriously - in most circumstances who goes all in on a pair of anything?

heads up with k k I would at least think about pushing all in. Pushing all in pre flop is never a great idea unless you can read people like a book. And even then, idiots always seem to be able to suck out and catch runner runner to beat you. And no doubt when you push all in with a great pair you'll get called by the person who thinks Queen three off suit is a monster hand because of the face card.

I play tournies with friends, one time I played strictly by what Daniel Negreanu said in one of his book, and ended up getting beat pretty bad lol. bad beat example (that night)

I had 9 9
flop was 8 8 9

WOOO HOO nut full house on the flop, great first hand of the night! Playing with idiots and noobs, I decide to push all in to show I'm a bully. This chick who still needed the index "how to" card to know what hands were what called. I turn my hand over happy, she turns her over and of course had pocket 8's. the icing on the cake was her asking "did I win?" ARRRGH!

decent play but not surprising tournies are fun like that.

 

[QueBert]

I don't mind loosing, obviously I like to win and one time when I got a horribly bad beat I did get up and kick a plastic chair across the garage I was in I usually am mellow even when I loose and enjoy the game more than winning. Only thing that sucks, I play a lot and my abilities to read people don't seem to be getting much better. I watch Daniel on TV and he's crazy, him and Doyle blow my mind with how they know what a person has and how to play. I know it takes years of practice, but some people have a gift, and I don't think all practice in the world can make a person as good as Doyle.

also knowing when to say when in a cash game is good, I bought in $100 at Harrahs, was up to about $600. Nothing amazing but a decent come up for an hour of poker, better than I usually do. I should have cashed out and went and got an 8800GTX or something but I was "HOOOOOT!" and before I knew it I had cooled down and was heading to get more chips from the counter hehe.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: QueBert
I don't mind loosing, obviously I like to win and one time when I got a horribly bad beat I did get up and kick a plastic chair across the garage I was in I usually am mellow even when I loose and enjoy the game more than winning. Only thing that sucks, I play a lot and my abilities to read people don't seem to be getting much better. I watch Daniel on TV and he's crazy, him and Doyle blow my mind with how they know what a person has and how to play. I know it takes years of practice, but some people have a gift, and I don't think all practice in the world can make a person as good as Doyle.

also knowing when to say when in a cash game is good, I bought in $100 at Harrahs, was up to about $600. Nothing amazing but a decent come up for an hour of poker, better than I usually do. I should have cashed out and went and got an 8800GTX or something but I was "HOOOOOT!" and before I knew it I had cooled down and was heading to get more chips from the counter hehe.

As I have learned over my years gambling, its not hard to win its hard to LEAVE with it.

 

[akshatp]

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: QueBert
I don't mind loosing, obviously I like to win and one time when I got a horribly bad beat I did get up and kick a plastic chair across the garage I was in I usually am mellow even when I loose and enjoy the game more than winning. Only thing that sucks, I play a lot and my abilities to read people don't seem to be getting much better. I watch Daniel on TV and he's crazy, him and Doyle blow my mind with how they know what a person has and how to play. I know it takes years of practice, but some people have a gift, and I don't think all practice in the world can make a person as good as Doyle.

also knowing when to say when in a cash game is good, I bought in $100 at Harrahs, was up to about $600. Nothing amazing but a decent come up for an hour of poker, better than I usually do. I should have cashed out and went and got an 8800GTX or something but I was "HOOOOOT!" and before I knew it I had cooled down and was heading to get more chips from the counter hehe.

As I have learned over my years gambling, its not hard to win its hard to LEAVE with it.

This is so true... SO true

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: hellokeith

1. all-in on a pair of Aces will undoubtly be beat with 2 pair by the numnuts who called the all-in with Eight Deuce off suit before the flop
.

Tell us what hand would you rather he call you with? Or perhaps you would prefer everybody fold when you have pocket Aces, so that way you can't lose. Good luck

 

[wheresmybacon]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Seriously - in most circumstances who goes all in on a pair of anything?

heads up with k k I would at least think about pushing all in. Pushing all in pre flop is never a great idea unless you can read people like a book. And even then, idiots always seem to be able to suck out and catch runner runner to beat you. And no doubt when you push all in with a great pair you'll get called by the person who thinks Queen three off suit is a monster hand because of the face card.

Don't diss the Gay Waiter! (Queen with a tray) It's a MONSTER hand.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: QueBert
I don't mind loosing, obviously I like to win and one time when I got a horribly bad beat I did get up and kick a plastic chair across the garage I was in I usually am mellow even when I loose and enjoy the game more than winning. Only thing that sucks, I play a lot and my abilities to read people don't seem to be getting much better. I watch Daniel on TV and he's crazy, him and Doyle blow my mind with how they know what a person has and how to play. I know it takes years of practice, but some people have a gift, and I don't think all practice in the world can make a person as good as Doyle.

also knowing when to say when in a cash game is good, I bought in $100 at Harrahs, was up to about $600. Nothing amazing but a decent come up for an hour of poker, better than I usually do. I should have cashed out and went and got an 8800GTX or something but I was "HOOOOOT!" and before I knew it I had cooled down and was heading to get more chips from the counter hehe.

As I have learned over my years gambling, its not hard to win its hard to LEAVE with it.

I haven't learned that yet, it's typically hard for me to win, at poker tables (all I mostly play) it's either people who are damn near WSOP players, or noobs who have plenty of cash to waste and can't be scared into "laying down" 2 7 off suit. Some people call every damn thing. They lack skill and are too brave. I wish it was easy for me to win man


next time I go I am going to leave with money I don't care if I'm only 10 dollars up what I started with, daamit I refuse to walk away with an empty wallet.

 

[hellokeith]

QueBert,

What types of tournies have you played in? What kinds of single tables?

 

[QueBert]

I play in whatever tourney's I come across, most are low entry fee, $100 or less, the one I play at often is $35 with unlimited re-buys for the first 45 minutes and a $10 add on after 45 mins if you want it. Winner only gets like $900 or something but it's fun, best I've done was make it next to last table. I don't have enough money, or balls to play in $1,000+ yet, that's what I'm working towards though. Single, I like lower antie, $1-2 or $2-3 blinds with no limit. Weird anties for no limit but the pots can still get good sized and I'm not stuck with outrageous blinds. $3-6 with limit is pretty good too, I've had some luck at those tables. Sometimes at the $2-3 no limit a lot of people will still play like it's high $$$ and bet stupid amounts. Haven't found the perfect game for me yet I'm still looking

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: QueBert
I don't mind loosing, obviously I like to win and one time when I got a horribly bad beat I did get up and kick a plastic chair across the garage I was in I usually am mellow even when I loose and enjoy the game more than winning. Only thing that sucks, I play a lot and my abilities to read people don't seem to be getting much better. I watch Daniel on TV and he's crazy, him and Doyle blow my mind with how they know what a person has and how to play. I know it takes years of practice, but some people have a gift, and I don't think all practice in the world can make a person as good as Doyle.

also knowing when to say when in a cash game is good, I bought in $100 at Harrahs, was up to about $600. Nothing amazing but a decent come up for an hour of poker, better than I usually do. I should have cashed out and went and got an 8800GTX or something but I was "HOOOOOT!" and before I knew it I had cooled down and was heading to get more chips from the counter hehe.

As I have learned over my years gambling, its not hard to win its hard to LEAVE with it.

I haven't learned that yet, it's typically hard for me to win, at poker tables (all I mostly play) it's either people who are damn near WSOP players, or noobs who have plenty of cash to waste and can't be scared into "laying down" 2 7 off suit. Some people call every damn thing. They lack skill and are too brave. I wish it was easy for me to win man


next time I go I am going to leave with money I don't care if I'm only 10 dollars up what I started with, daamit I refuse to walk away with an empty wallet.

The hardest games to win are against people who dont know how to play, they see a face card and think oh yeah I have a good hand ill call. The next thing they do is out draw you. The problem is even worst playing on a limit table, cause in limit poker you cant make nearly as many moves as no limit. Money management and discipline are 2 huge key factors when gambling.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: QueBert
I don't mind loosing, obviously I like to win and one time when I got a horribly bad beat I did get up and kick a plastic chair across the garage I was in I usually am mellow even when I loose and enjoy the game more than winning. Only thing that sucks, I play a lot and my abilities to read people don't seem to be getting much better. I watch Daniel on TV and he's crazy, him and Doyle blow my mind with how they know what a person has and how to play. I know it takes years of practice, but some people have a gift, and I don't think all practice in the world can make a person as good as Doyle.

also knowing when to say when in a cash game is good, I bought in $100 at Harrahs, was up to about $600. Nothing amazing but a decent come up for an hour of poker, better than I usually do. I should have cashed out and went and got an 8800GTX or something but I was "HOOOOOT!" and before I knew it I had cooled down and was heading to get more chips from the counter hehe.

As I have learned over my years gambling, its not hard to win its hard to LEAVE with it.

I haven't learned that yet, it's typically hard for me to win, at poker tables (all I mostly play) it's either people who are damn near WSOP players, or noobs who have plenty of cash to waste and can't be scared into "laying down" 2 7 off suit. Some people call every damn thing. They lack skill and are too brave. I wish it was easy for me to win man


next time I go I am going to leave with money I don't care if I'm only 10 dollars up what I started with, daamit I refuse to walk away with an empty wallet.

The hardest games to win are against people who dont know how to play, they see a face card and think oh yeah I have a good hand ill call. The next thing they do is out draw you. The problem is even worst playing on a limit table, cause in limit poker you cant make nearly as many moves as no limit. Money management and discipline are 2 huge key factors when gambling.

I agree on everything, the thing I love about limit is what I hate most about it. On a $20 dollar limit table you can't really bluff or scare people out of a hand. And the no limit is play is sort of a joke, $100 table buy in isn't going to lead to $30,000 bucks. I hope in 5 years to be playing comfortably in high stakes cash games. Watching a dude like Mike The Mouth loose $80,000 cash in a single hand and not sweat it too much is inspiring lol.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: QueBert
I don't mind loosing, obviously I like to win and one time when I got a horribly bad beat I did get up and kick a plastic chair across the garage I was in I usually am mellow even when I loose and enjoy the game more than winning. Only thing that sucks, I play a lot and my abilities to read people don't seem to be getting much better. I watch Daniel on TV and he's crazy, him and Doyle blow my mind with how they know what a person has and how to play. I know it takes years of practice, but some people have a gift, and I don't think all practice in the world can make a person as good as Doyle.

also knowing when to say when in a cash game is good, I bought in $100 at Harrahs, was up to about $600. Nothing amazing but a decent come up for an hour of poker, better than I usually do. I should have cashed out and went and got an 8800GTX or something but I was "HOOOOOT!" and before I knew it I had cooled down and was heading to get more chips from the counter hehe.

As I have learned over my years gambling, its not hard to win its hard to LEAVE with it.

I haven't learned that yet, it's typically hard for me to win, at poker tables (all I mostly play) it's either people who are damn near WSOP players, or noobs who have plenty of cash to waste and can't be scared into "laying down" 2 7 off suit. Some people call every damn thing. They lack skill and are too brave. I wish it was easy for me to win man


next time I go I am going to leave with money I don't care if I'm only 10 dollars up what I started with, daamit I refuse to walk away with an empty wallet.

The hardest games to win are against people who dont know how to play, they see a face card and think oh yeah I have a good hand ill call. The next thing they do is out draw you. The problem is even worst playing on a limit table, cause in limit poker you cant make nearly as many moves as no limit. Money management and discipline are 2 huge key factors when gambling.

I agree on everything, the thing I love about limit is what I hate most about it. On a $20 dollar limit table you can't really bluff or scare people out of a hand. And the no limit is play is sort of a joke, $100 table buy in isn't going to lead to $30,000 bucks. I hope in 5 years to be playing comfortably in high stakes cash games. Watching a dude like Mike The Mouth loose $80,000 cash in a single hand and not sweat it too much is inspiring lol.

I played in a live game about 4 weeks ago, my very 1st hand I played I raised before the flop with 5-3 on the button. The flop came K 10 something and the guy next to me had pocket nines. He checked I bet he called, next card didnt hit me either but I bet anyhow and he folded, then I showed him the bluff. The rest of the night that bluff was under his skin, he kept saying I almost called I almost called. In the end I didnt win but played for 4 hours on 100 bucks, the people playing were just like people online, full on calling stations. I only made 1 bad play in 4 hours and it was just a call I should of made. It wasnt a limit game but there sure werent many going all in unless they were low on chips, even though I was prob the best player at the table sometimes you just need the cards to win.

 

[Epic Fail]

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: QueBert
I don't mind loosing, obviously I like to win and one time when I got a horribly bad beat I did get up and kick a plastic chair across the garage I was in I usually am mellow even when I loose and enjoy the game more than winning. Only thing that sucks, I play a lot and my abilities to read people don't seem to be getting much better. I watch Daniel on TV and he's crazy, him and Doyle blow my mind with how they know what a person has and how to play. I know it takes years of practice, but some people have a gift, and I don't think all practice in the world can make a person as good as Doyle.

also knowing when to say when in a cash game is good, I bought in $100 at Harrahs, was up to about $600. Nothing amazing but a decent come up for an hour of poker, better than I usually do. I should have cashed out and went and got an 8800GTX or something but I was "HOOOOOT!" and before I knew it I had cooled down and was heading to get more chips from the counter hehe.

As I have learned over my years gambling, its not hard to win its hard to LEAVE with it.

I haven't learned that yet, it's typically hard for me to win, at poker tables (all I mostly play) it's either people who are damn near WSOP players, or noobs who have plenty of cash to waste and can't be scared into "laying down" 2 7 off suit. Some people call every damn thing. They lack skill and are too brave. I wish it was easy for me to win man


next time I go I am going to leave with money I don't care if I'm only 10 dollars up what I started with, daamit I refuse to walk away with an empty wallet.

The hardest games to win are against people who dont know how to play, they see a face card and think oh yeah I have a good hand ill call. The next thing they do is out draw you. The problem is even worst playing on a limit table, cause in limit poker you cant make nearly as many moves as no limit. Money management and discipline are 2 huge key factors when gambling.

So you are saying you can't beat people who don't know how to play? :evil:

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: yamadakun

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: QueBert
I don't mind loosing, obviously I like to win and one time when I got a horribly bad beat I did get up and kick a plastic chair across the garage I was in I usually am mellow even when I loose and enjoy the game more than winning. Only thing that sucks, I play a lot and my abilities to read people don't seem to be getting much better. I watch Daniel on TV and he's crazy, him and Doyle blow my mind with how they know what a person has and how to play. I know it takes years of practice, but some people have a gift, and I don't think all practice in the world can make a person as good as Doyle.

also knowing when to say when in a cash game is good, I bought in $100 at Harrahs, was up to about $600. Nothing amazing but a decent come up for an hour of poker, better than I usually do. I should have cashed out and went and got an 8800GTX or something but I was "HOOOOOT!" and before I knew it I had cooled down and was heading to get more chips from the counter hehe.

As I have learned over my years gambling, its not hard to win its hard to LEAVE with it.

I haven't learned that yet, it's typically hard for me to win, at poker tables (all I mostly play) it's either people who are damn near WSOP players, or noobs who have plenty of cash to waste and can't be scared into "laying down" 2 7 off suit. Some people call every damn thing. They lack skill and are too brave. I wish it was easy for me to win man


next time I go I am going to leave with money I don't care if I'm only 10 dollars up what I started with, daamit I refuse to walk away with an empty wallet.

The hardest games to win are against people who dont know how to play, they see a face card and think oh yeah I have a good hand ill call. The next thing they do is out draw you. The problem is even worst playing on a limit table, cause in limit poker you cant make nearly as many moves as no limit. Money management and discipline are 2 huge key factors when gambling.

So you are saying you can't beat people who don't know how to play? :evil:

Yeah seems backwards doesnt it? Only in poker though is it the sad truth.

 

[QueBert]

LOL poker is a game of luck, some noobs are lucky, beyond what's reasonable, one female I play against has a few months poker experince and I'm still not sure she understands every hand that wins/loose to another. Her luck is magical, I watch her suck out time and time again, she pushes all in with NOTHING or a runner runner straight/flush drag. She's dumb and plays dumb but she wins a sick amount of the time. You cannot play against because of her luck, and the fact she finds King Four off suit to be a "really good hand to play"

Personally I'd rather play Doyle Brunson than her, at least when I get beat by him it's legit and not some stupid ass chick who plays with no rhyme or reason and wins

 

[warmodder]

So if you're saying that noob tactics beat the so called professionals in typical situations--wouldn't it be prudent to say join a tourney with all these experts and just act like a beginner? You'd by your own admission make a killing.

Maybe I should go to vegas and just start calling every picture card hand I get. All those wsop wanna-be's will shit there pants.