I never heard of or saw that B-52 crash. When did that happen?
Disturbing, yet incredible video.
Disturbing, yet incredible video.
Don Vito Corleone
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<< I never heard of or saw that B-52 crash. When did that happen?
Disturbing, yet incredible video. >>
It was in June of 1994, as was the shooting incident I described. Fairchild AFB is near Spokane, WA. I have seen a longer version of the film that is even creepier, in that Lt Col Holland was really manhandling the BUFF like a fighter plane - it seems almost inevitable that something will go horribly wrong.
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it was a creepy week. I am from Spokane and you should have seen the local news guys when that happened, everyone did not know what to make of it. I had forgotten about the shooting but that video that KREM 2 news kept playing of the b52 crashing is stuck in my head for good 
is that what really happens when it travels faster than sound? Like those cloud things, will we be able to see that? thats cool..
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<< it was a creepy week. I am from Spokane and you should have seen the local news guys when that happened, everyone did not know what to make of it. I had forgotten about the shooting but that video that KREM 2 news kept playing of the b52 crashing is stuck in my head for good
>>I can only imagine.
An Air Force Security Forces member rode up on a mountain bike and shot Dean Mellberg in the head with his M9 from something like 50 meters away to bring his shooting spree to an end. The cop won all kinds of awards at the time, but the word on the streets is that he hit the guy with a ricochet (it seems odd to say the least that he would aim for the head from that distance), and his first shot hit a doctor's Miata. I have no idea and I for one am all for acknowledging the postitive outcome with awards, whether or not it was actually due to his marksmanship!
wow, i didn't know the pilot was a Lt. Col and he was an absolute showboat who had a dangerous reputation.
i found one link talking about it. click here.
i found another link that shows a picture where you can see that one of the escape hatches was released. someone was trying to bail out but didn't make it. click here
i found one link talking about it. click here.
i found another link that shows a picture where you can see that one of the escape hatches was released. someone was trying to bail out but didn't make it. click here
The F-14 video looks awesome. It requires a certain humidity level for the the phenomenon (cloud formed behind the sonic cone as an object passes the speed of sound) to occur.
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Max speed of the B52 is 638mph. It's very likely a real pic, although hitting the sound barrier in a b52 isn't something I would want to do...
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You notice all the people on the deck of the carrier in that f-14 vid, I went to something just like that, My brother was in the navy and once a year they have a family day where they take family out to sea on the carrier. You get to stand on the flight deck while the planes take of and land. It was a fun as hell!!! They broke the sound barrier just like that 6 times, it look just like that, I have some pics and vids but none are near as good as that.
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I'll ask some folks who'll actually know rather than pretend to know what I'm talking about
Please do... I'd be very interested to know if this pic is real or fake...
Please do... I'd be very interested to know if this pic is real or fake...
<< I'll ask some folks who'll actually know rather than pretend to know what I'm talking about
Please do... I'd be very interested to know if this pic is real or fake... >>
I think it is possible because although the B-52 can not go supersonic, it is possible for the local flow velocity over the wing to reach the speed of sound. When the air flow over the wing reaches sonic speed a standing shockwave forms. And, I think you've explained very well why clouds form under certain atmospheric conditions.
This leads me to conclude that the F-14 was going very near the speed of sound but not supersonic. I really do not think those people would still be standing as the jet passed if it was going supersonic. Not to mention the smooth capture of the event on video.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Actually, it looked like the B52 only needed like another 100' to pull off that maneuver. He had it planned and probably wanted to out do himself by going as close to the ground as he could.
SonicBUFF
No idea on the validity of this, but I do know I got it from somebody in the Air Force
A second vote for a fake pic. The coloring looks suspicious, and it looks a little cartoony. Add that to the fact that a B-52 breaking the sound barrier is pretty much impossible in level flight. A friend of mine knows some BUFF pilots -- I'll ask him for confirmation.
No idea on the validity of this, but I do know I got it from somebody in the Air Force
A second vote for a fake pic. The coloring looks suspicious, and it looks a little cartoony. Add that to the fact that a B-52 breaking the sound barrier is pretty much impossible in level flight. A friend of mine knows some BUFF pilots -- I'll ask him for confirmation.
The sound barrier is 1240km/h, if the B52's top speed is 638mph, that's only 1020km/h. That pilot would need an extra 18% on the throttle for that to happen.
I'm not an aviator, but my wave mathematics is pretty good. In order for the mach cone to form around the plane, you actually have to be traveling at 340m/sec. If your anything below that, then a half-assed cone forms infront of the plane.
Here's a good link to play around with
For those wondering exactly what's happening. Lemme explain as best as I can. As the plane cuts through the air, it produces shock waves, some of these are audible and some not. Now sound travels in a spherical shape from it's source. So when your flying, the speed of the waves extending in front of you is less than the speed of sound (340m/sec). As your forward velocity approaches that barrier, the waves begin to superimpose, or stack up, in a standing waveform. This is what produces the mach cone. Now what you actually see is not the sound, but the enormus pressure wave compresses the surrounding air enough to condense the water vapor into liquid. Play around with that link and it should all become clear.
I'm not an aviator, but my wave mathematics is pretty good. In order for the mach cone to form around the plane, you actually have to be traveling at 340m/sec. If your anything below that, then a half-assed cone forms infront of the plane.
Here's a good link to play around with
For those wondering exactly what's happening. Lemme explain as best as I can. As the plane cuts through the air, it produces shock waves, some of these are audible and some not. Now sound travels in a spherical shape from it's source. So when your flying, the speed of the waves extending in front of you is less than the speed of sound (340m/sec). As your forward velocity approaches that barrier, the waves begin to superimpose, or stack up, in a standing waveform. This is what produces the mach cone. Now what you actually see is not the sound, but the enormus pressure wave compresses the surrounding air enough to condense the water vapor into liquid. Play around with that link and it should all become clear.
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The only reason I would think is that the "sound barrier" isn't constant I don't think. Variable depending on altitude. Most folks refer to the speed at sea level. I can't remember all the changes, or if the plane could even manage that speed. I've fired it off to a group that should know; there should be some old buff pilots there.
Woah! Thats awesome!
I was wondering though what is the white cloud that appears around the jet? Is that supposed to happen when you break the sound barrier?
EDIT: Thanks Fandu
I was wondering though what is the white cloud that appears around the jet? Is that supposed to happen when you break the sound barrier?
EDIT: Thanks Fandu
Great post Fandu. I generally agree with what you mentioned, but the following was a little unclear for me.
<< So when your flying, the speed of the waves extending in front of you is less than the speed of sound (340m/sec). >>
When you say the speed of the wave is less than the speed of sound, is that relative to the aircraft in flight?
<< So when your flying, the speed of the waves extending in front of you is less than the speed of sound (340m/sec). >>
When you say the speed of the wave is less than the speed of sound, is that relative to the aircraft in flight?
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